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Snipers are way more frustrating, because if Brig kills me it means that she got within 6 meters of me and pulled off some combo of her bash, flail, and whip to kill me. It's a little frustrating but ok, she was right there and also spent two cooldowns and several attacks on it. That feels a lot more earned than when Widow deletes me in a single click because they're 100 meters away where I can't even see them until I'm eating lead.
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Ashcans posted:Snipers are way more frustrating, because if Brig kills me it means that she got within 6 meters of me and pulled off some combo of her bash, flail, and whip to kill me. It's a little frustrating but ok, she was right there and also spent two cooldowns and several attacks on it. That feels a lot more earned than when Widow deletes me in a single click because they're 100 meters away where I can't even see them until I'm eating lead. the thing about this though is map awareness over time reduces the frequency of this. you get used to where snipers set up for good shot and then used to odd places that aren't as good but make it harder to see the sniper as well and then you just know where to avoid when you're coming in blind.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:00
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A bunch of geniuses dive straight into a melee only character's face and get obliterated, must be the the game design fault, this Brig is too strong!!!!
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Oct 12, 2018 20:01
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Max Awfuls posted:A bunch of geniuses dive straight into a melee only character's face and get obliterated, must be the the game design fault, this Brig is too strong!!!! lookit this guy who is just yakkin. You say this like brig doesn't have a charge that temporarily moves her faster than anyone in the game can move and like she cant kill you within 2 attacks after doing this charge. tee hee...you so funny. wanna buy me a drink? the whole point is brig is really effective without much effort because other than ganging up on her there isn't really gonna be much you can do to stop her from causing harm.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:03
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Wrap it up Genjailures, Briggy is officially here to stay. https://twitter.com/OverwatchTXT/status/982339721379663872
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Oct 12, 2018 20:04
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AkumaHokoru posted:lookit this guy who is just yakkin. I can't buy you a drink, you are too far away from the rest of us dying alone in the middle of the enemy team.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:06
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Max Awfuls posted:I can't buy you a drink, you are too far away from the rest of us dying alone in the middle of the enemy team. psst...you know being caught out alone isn't the only way to die?
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AkumaHokoru posted:psst...you know being caught out alone isn't the only way to die?
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AkumaHokoru posted:You say this like brig doesn't have a charge that temporarily moves her faster than anyone in the game can move
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Oct 12, 2018 20:26
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did my first QP game since endorsements launched slam picked torb, literally disable chat (don't use voice, ctrl+shift+c to hide text), at end of game say in team chat "thanks for the game!" get endorsement: shot caller 
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Oct 12, 2018 20:26
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who can dodge a charge on reaction other than tracer if even?
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Max Awfuls posted:psst...you know that you sucking at the game isn't a single character's fault? This isn't what is being discussed. the skill of a player isn't a part of the discussion about why people might have a problem with a char that can pretty much take down a character if she pressed her buttons? "this character is good against most of the cast in her ideal situation of a character being in range of her" well...git gud. dur. "sir...we aren't discussing player skill we are talking about what a character can do and how well they can do it" You sound like the kind of person who would have said..."just dodge it" back when hog could instakill anyone after a hook.
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AkumaHokoru posted:This isn't what is being discussed. the skill of a player isn't a part of the discussion about why people might have a problem with a char that can pretty much take down a character if she pressed her buttons? Widow and Hanzo can instakill most characters from halfaway across the map with no warning and you're bitching about not being able to escape a charater you have to be literally standing in front of and not showing any respect for, it's like a Bastion complaining that a Genji is unfair because he can deflect shots at him. It's the way they were designed, adapt to play around it . I'm mostly a Junkrat main, when I see a Brig It's usually a free kill for me, but If you have no respect for how dangerous Brig is up close, then you deserve to die to her repeatedly, preferably as you get stunned out of your Ult.
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Max Awfuls posted:Widow and Hanzo can instakill most characters from halfaway across the map with no warning and you're bitching about not being able to escape a charater you have to be literally standing in front of and not showing any respect for, it's like a Bastion complaining that a Genji is unfair because he can deflect shots at him. It's the way they were designed, adapt to play around it . I'm mostly a Junkrat main, when I see a Brig It's usually a free kill for me, but If you have no respect for how dangerous Brig is up close, then you deserve to die to her repeatedly, preferably as you get stunned out of your Ult. except you don't have to be just standing there to find yourself fighting a surprise brig. lets say for example...I don't know the name of the map too well I think its rialto? right before the first checkpoint there are rooms on both sides of the cart. a brig can hide in one of those side rooms and get a pick if she plays her cards right before the rest of the team can help their teammate. these are the plays that tend to frustrate the average player. I personally don't care because if im in a 1v1 situation with brig I try to gtfo or if she tries one of those ambush charges I just mentioned I run to a teammate if I can (usually playing lucio/dva so I can get away from her) sometimes as lucio the brig comes for me because Im fighting with the team jumping from fight to fight to keep people topped off I'll try to boop her away and get out of the engagement. this isn't possible for every character so I can see where SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BRIG. I mean I'm happy you finally said "how dangerous brig is up close" this is what the point of this whole discussion is. There ARE bad players complaining because some players unfortunately don't like to change characters yes people should learn to adapt but she's still very powerful in a lot of situations and some players can find that...troubling. moria's for example tend to hate brig and tracers because no matter what they wanna be in the scrum or on the edge of it and that is dangerous if there is a brig around. AkumaHokoru fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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The principal criticisms against Brigitte are largely that she disrupts the standard cycle of play that the majority of the playerbase (DPS players) are used to. It's exactly the same kind of criticism that Mercy was subjected to prior to her nerfs. Based on this, I would expect Brigitte to get dumpstered in a few months as well, because Blizzard doesn't really care about the support playerbase. e: I should clarify -- I think that Blizzard originally designed several characters in Overwatch with the goal of drawing on people who don't traditionally play FPS games. Over time, however, the various nerfs and reworks have made most of those characters either ineffective, or changed their kits such that they require traditional FPS skills to play effectively. This is what I mean when I say Blizzard doesn't care about support players; the people that came to the game without prior FPS experience, and don't really play other FPS games. Montalvo fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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Montalvo posted:The principal criticisms against Brigitte are largely that she disrupts the standard cycle of play that the majority of the playerbase (DPS players) are used to. Ticket status: Resolved - As Designed
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I think the answer to Brig will come in the form of hero 29, a support with an ability maybe on E that gives an ally complete cc resistance (and maybe also cleanses them of anti-nade status, countering two birds with one stone) for a split second. Like a zarya bubble but without the damage protection. I really would love a plant-themed hero and I think the cleansing motif + support role could fit into that. Make it happen blizzard
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I thought Brigitte was actually kinda fast because of the shield bash and the charge associated with it. Did they fix the bug that let her use charge + whip to cover crazy gaps?
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A guy: "snipers are easy to handle, just learn the map and never be in their LoS lol" The exact same guy: "Brig can be behind any corner and jump out and ambush you and there's nothing you or your team can possibly do about it!!!"
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Yukari posted:I thought Brigitte was actually kinda fast because of the shield bash and the charge associated with it. Did they fix the bug that let her use charge + whip to cover crazy gaps? Yes.
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megane posted:Brig has been nerfed like 5 times already, but she kills flankers, saves people from getting bursted down, and has a shield to block headshots, so the 99.9% of the playerbase that mains Genji, Tracer, Widow, or Hanzo will never stop bitching about her. Why is this meme so presistent when 90℅ of the people calling for her blood are the tank mains she relentlessly bullies and healers she assassinates. Like every complaint I hear is how she makes playing Rienhart as fun as having your teeth drilled. Or every hero who has an ult she can just Stop. So that's a bunch of mad Reapers and Mcrees and a bunch of others. Like I m not saying she's some overpowered free SR monster (I'll leave that to the pro and expro players who won't shut up about her) but I think it's annoying that everyone pretends some imaginary army of flippy ninja sniper mains are exclusively mad about her instead of everyone who wants to press buttons. For real give Rein stun resistance.
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Brig alone doesn't make me playing Rein (or more likely Orisa) a huge pain. It's a Brig with a Doomfist and Hammond that make life a misery
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snipers are way way worse because the game is “designed” for medium to short range and also the hit boxes are way too forgiving. the game should’ve never had snipers.
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It's not the good players or heroes on the opposing team that make playing Rein miserable, it's the bad players in yours that do. If you're playing with a good couple of healers, Rein is one of the most fun characters to play in the entire game, but if you have next to no healing and everybody ignores your shield to die in front of you, you're going to have a horrible time, with or without a Brig on the other side.
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AkumaHokoru posted:except you don't have to be just standing there to find yourself fighting a surprise brig. Almost any character can hide somewhere and surprise kill an enemy, what's so different from getting stunned by McCree and shot through the back of the head or getting a couple of point blank grenades from Junkrat? At least Brig takes long enough to kill you that you can use an escape ability to get away after the stun if you're lucky,. I mean, Brig's stun cooldown has been getting progressively longer so that if you see her do it and miss you can basically just do whatever you want with her at that point, half these complaints would be over if people bothered tracking if she's done shield bash already in the fight Also, Moira is my main healer and if you don't fade away the instant Brig is within striking range from you, then you have no business playing Moira. There's some pointed talk about Brig being overpowered, but most of the complaints stem from her being the hero that punishes stupid play the hardest with the least amount of effort or skill involved.
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megane posted:A guy: "snipers are easy to handle, just learn the map and never be in their LoS lol" Yes, thank you, I have been chuckling about this the entire time and was starting to think I was crazy. Max Awfuls posted:I can't buy you a drink, you are too far away from the rest of us dying alone in the middle of the enemy team. This is the most savagely efficient burn in the history of this thread. 
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Why is this meme so presistent when 90℅ of the people calling for her blood are the tank mains she relentlessly bullies and healers she assassinates. Like every complaint I hear is how she makes playing Rienhart as fun as having your teeth drilled.  Mercy, Moira, and Lucio can just laugh at her with their superior mobility even if they can't kill her, and Ana and Zen players should have someone peeling any aggressors off them.
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megane posted:A guy: "snipers are easy to handle, just learn the map and never be in their LoS lol" I didnt say there's nothing you can do about it but just following the map the sniper has less shots of opportunity than brig has chances of catching someone off guard. theres set places a sniper is effective at. they can of course sit someplace else but might give up the protection of cover/distance to get more shots.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Ana and Zen players should have someone peeling any aggressors off them. this is me. i will run off to help them
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usually a sniper gets you when you’re in the middle of a fray and focusing on the heroes that were properly designed for such distances.
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Groovelord Neato posted:usually a sniper gets you when you’re in the middle of a fray and focusing on the heroes that were properly designed for such distances. They hope but yes this is ideally what should be happening for them. i see brig like i see junk/mei she can be a ambush predator if she picks her spots she can turn that into a teamfight if her teammates are ready to capitalize. the fact that she can take out the team's tank or healer puts them at a disadvantage in the new fight that has happened (this is in the case of like the escort maps) control maps she doesnt have this much of an opportunity unless someone is really loving up or its one of those weird maps where people patrol to check on ambushes.
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You seem to be enthusiastically disagreeing with yourself on the regular. But, uh, yes, I think many of us agree with you that Mei and Junk and others can be just as bullshit as Brigitte when not accounted for by the enemy team. On that note: those of you who are crying about CC being intrinsically unfun in any game and insisting it's Brigitte that is the problem, not you, you're not that player who can't adjust! ...where is your hate for Mei? Her CC is just as brutal, and she has loving ice block for when you focus her. She takes a second or two instead of instant, but that's counterbalanced by being able to freeze multiple people at once and having no cooldown you can bait (and no mechanics that can block it). And in my opinion the current Mei freeze is WAY more frustrating to receive. Not only does it last longer than Brigitte's, you get to see it coming a mile away and not be able to do anything, as you try to slow turn and shoot her but it's too late. It's the loving worst. Don't get me wrong, I like both characters and think they're both in a pretty good place. But if you claim your beef with Brigitte is purely technical, and you have no problem with Mei, you're loving lying to yourself. Fight me. Unsinkabear fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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1v1 me. I'm Brig
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former pro player and current overwatch league analyst reinforce made an interesting video about stuns in overwatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnwIVEncYK0&feature=youtu.be
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I also dont understand why people dont hate mei as much as they hate brig mei can protect herself pretty well but if you can do like 40 dmg or so real quick she'll try to save herself and you have a chance when you see her coming maybe to get in a quick head shot? i dunno. also I am like speaking on a general sense in people's potential issues with brig. I personally dont have a issue with her but I dont like fighting her if there isnt good help (again one of those maps where people are kind of spread out) to be clear on the sniper thing unless you are brand new to fps what i meant by map knowlegdge isnt "exact layout of the map" but knowing where you are what wall you can hide behind closest to where the sniper is shooting from or not walking into the area where they are shooting at. AkumaHokoru fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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mei is the most obnoxious hero in the game after the snipers.
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People don’t complain about Mei as much because Mei has actual drawbacks that make her a cool, interesting character. Mei isn’t playing the same game as everyone else. Her kit shines the most when you use it to punish the absolute poo poo out of mistakes made by the other team. Is the other team making a half hearted push? Ice wall a couple people to separate them from their team and win the ensuring 6v4. Did someone walk right up to you like a moron? Welcome them to freeze town. Is someone using an ability or ult in an unsafe way? Cryo through that poo poo. Her dps is actually kind of bad but she makes up for it in utility and manages to be the queen of 1v1s without being an overpowered character, which is important. Mei has always been an annoying character to fight against and absolutely fucks up Tracer and Genji, but somehow has always been a solid mid tier character. Brigitte fills this same role of punishing mistakes by the other team, but with far more lenient requirements for what a mistake is. Up front where Mei might have to burn a cooldown to disengage a hairy situation, Brig has a 500hp shield. In a situation where Mei gets punished for mismanaging cooldowns, Brig has 50 armor and inspire to help her last a bit longer. She naturally wants to hang around teammates for inspire, so she almost always has backup. Where Mei's CC takes a second or two to fully disable a character, Brig's is instant with almost zero wind up so you can’t really react to it beyond knowing if she’s in range or not. She can displace you at any time to mess up your positioning. Her shield lets her punish ability and ult usage like Mei's cryo, but with a tenth of the commitment. Punishing a mistake with Mei means making a commitment and giving up ways to protect yourself in an emergency, but with Brig you have like three layers of redundancy to keep you safe. Naturally, she has one of the highest win rates in the game across every rank in competitive. Mei loving wishes she were Brig.
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I totally forgot brig can whippush someone out of position on her own lol.
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How do you even write off "it takes 1-2 seconds to kick in" as no big deal in a game where characters can die instantly?
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Mei is probably the weakest character in the game because Blizzard thinks "can make a wall" is an ability of such unmatched, game changing power that it must obviously be balanced by the worst damage output in the game, a "zoning ult" (this is a euphemism for an ult that doesn't do anything), no mobility, an "escape ability" that immobilizes you and heals more slowly than a Zenyatta orb, and a "combo" that takes over two full seconds to go off and can be survived with one button press or by receiving like 10 hp worth of healing. But she froze me guys, I just want to press buttons! Better nerf her e: the really funny thing is that "can freeze you over two seconds" is apparently unbearable, in a game where Genji can dash twenty meters, deal 200 damage to your healer, and then dash back to safety in like 10 frames megane fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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