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TFW you try to train him wrong as a joke and he just gets stronger.
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Pewdiepie posted:Theta is hosed. A pair of comments. I think most people think she will try to kill him while he is in zetsu mode, and will fail (RIP Theta). But I think that's a bit too obvious for Togashi! Her hatsu could be to enforce a zetsu condition on someone if the she can touch the target while he is already in zetsu. Just an example I thought. Also, I don't think Tse has already a developed proper hatsu, I interpreted what happened as the hatsu appearing for a second, it created by his subconscious, and one instant later it dissolved again in his aura, even Tse didn't notice anything.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:40
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that nen beast is def his and its gonna be infinitely more bonkers than whatever pitou came up with on that stupid ballerina thingy
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Oct 12, 2018 21:01
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I think theta will at least put up a good fight since shes gotten a decent amount of screentime. also shes a more experienced nen user and while the ant arc made clear that sometimes combat experience isnt enough to overcome a large difference in power i dont think tserriednich is near ant royal guard level. Possibly all thats going to happen is she manages to outsmart him but then gets clowned to show how broken his hatsu is though
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Oct 12, 2018 23:15
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I'm hoping she manages to live (and get away) somehow, she's kinda cool and I'd like to see her get more character building.
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Oct 12, 2018 23:18
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Well an automatic Nen beast bodyguard is the most believable way for an amateur like Tse to compete with more experienced Nen users.
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Oct 12, 2018 23:26
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I'm curious how her plan will go wrong, really. As we saw with Camilla, full Zetsu would shut off his Nen beast, and any other Nen stuff shouldn't work either. And, as we've seen multiple times in the manga, someone with no aura at all facing a Nen attack (or even a normal one) gets wrecked, so if she does actually get him into full Zetsu and tag him that should be it, genius or not. So, something weird has to happen or he has to not be in Zetsu for some reason. The question is what, though. Because Togashi (almost) certainly won't let this just work out that easily and kill Tserriednich off before he's done anything.
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Oct 12, 2018 23:37
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My bet is tserriednich will get chumped, but his second nen beast will stick around after his death and start massacring.
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Oct 13, 2018 00:31
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I was actually thinking something similar; given the way he butchers people, the dismemberment themes of his original beast, his spontaneous generation of a new beast/his own Hatsu (that, unlike Halkenberg, he doesn't seem to be properly aware of yet), and so on, the idea of him dying and then his post-mortem Nen continuing to function, puppeting his corpse, or some other weirdness occurred to me. My other main idea is that he's suspicious of her (or just that ridiculously skilled) that he brings his aura back up in time and manages to stop her attack, somehow fakes being in Zetsu, just offs her before he actually goes into Zetsu, or something else along those lines.
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Oct 13, 2018 00:51
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doesn't zetsu have healing properties? it'll be something silly like he outheals whatever damage she does or he outright goes invisible
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Oct 13, 2018 00:57
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I think It's very likely she won't be able to hurt him, because his ceremony spirit beast has already imposed a nen restriction on her when it cut her face. No other Nen beast has done something as far as to physically hurt someone like that, so i think it must be part of a condition in order to activate the ability it has.
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Oct 13, 2018 02:53
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tap my mountain posted:My bet is tserriednich will get chumped, but his second nen beast will stick around after his death and start massacring. this but murdering tserridenich will be a slightly more involved affair
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Oct 13, 2018 04:35
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So here’s a fun theory: Instead of being a ridiculous Nen genius, what if Tserriednich is faking it and knew Nen from the beginning? I can’t really think of a reason why he would do this though.
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Oct 13, 2018 07:49
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i don't think he'd allow theta to be around him uneviscerated unless he was getting something out of it.
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Oct 13, 2018 07:54
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Shot in the dark but maybe she's hallucinating the second nen beast and the horse has some form of nerve agent in the sting that is gradually causing Theta to lose her mind.
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Oct 13, 2018 08:24
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I was chatting with Hate-senpai about this last week and we both concluded it's likely all the princes are nen geniuses, or would be if they chose to pursue it. Probably part and parcel of the egg ceremony. Tserriednich being a genius (and a specialist) came across as inflating his threat level at the time, but with Halkenburg busting out a super move lickety-split I'd wager all the princes can, or could, produce similarly phenomenal power. Which further underscores Cammy's short-sighted immaturity. Given her performance trying to kill Furykov, then Benjamin, I wouldn't be surprised to learn she learned nen, immediately went for the instant-win button, and hasn't developed since, self-assured in her newfound immunity.
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Oct 13, 2018 09:20
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gently caress you punk you renamed me Hate-Senpai, say my name properly.
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Oct 13, 2018 09:26
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we know that benjy could use nen prior to the ceremony, and cammy is the next oldest and influential. it wouldn't be too strange if she learned it the normal way. even if she did learn it spontaneously, i'm pretty sure that any hatsu she deliberately created would be very similar. i find it interesting to compare it to benjy's hatsu, which is the least ambitious nen theft hatsu we've seen including kurapika's worthless steal chain. it is about avoiding risk, specifically risk that he could lose the tools he has available when he needs them. it is impossible for it to ever give him nen he did not originally have access to. it's a power for a commander. then there is cammy, whose hatsu is laser-focused on her mortality. as long as she is alive, everything else will go her way because as far as she is concerned that is the natural state of reality. it's ideal for a ruler whose only fear is assassins, not inadequacy.
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Oct 13, 2018 11:28
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Hate-Senpai posted:gently caress you punk you renamed me Hate-Senpai, say my name properly.
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Oct 13, 2018 11:46
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But yeah the Princes having insane potential for nen makes sense to me given that their father and forefathers were constant survivors and victors of previous succession wars, so you keep getting a line of strong nen users that pass down their strong nen genes or however nen works. It's like how the Zoldycks are so strong (excepting Milluki). Good genes + strict training.
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Oct 13, 2018 13:50
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Well what we have here is a ceremony basically designed to foster the creation of a king who will be host to an aura parasite, and subject the king to information warfare on a massive level as they have to take down their siblings and whatever forces each candidate has at their disposal. Using a nen ritual that was concocted an untold number of generations ago that is still functional because of the massive undertaking it required. I don't think it's unfair to say that this process overall does create a genetic precedence for heightened nen aptitude within this bloodline. We know from the Zoldycks that certain traits can be linked to genetics (white haired Zoldyck's are always transmuters for example) so saying that every member of the royal family will be much better at learning nen is perfectly reasonable. It's basically a survival mechanism for them as being able to instantly synergize a hatsu with their own creature or their own desires will allow them to stay in the race when the selection comes. And the prince who presumably does this the best will be the one to live on to spread his/her genes the next cycle. And of the princes that have their own hatsu (since a guardian spirit can have their own nature) you have:
Although I would argue that Camille falls into specialist as well since her cat reads like a continuation off of Pitou's gimmick of emissions constructs while being a specialist itself. And I would postulate that this family has a genetic factor leaning towards specialization as well as manipulation as the latter is ideal for a leader and reducing enemies through forceful persuasion, and the former gives a lot of flexibility in both surviving this ordeal, and having some personal power suited towards ruling as well.
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Oct 13, 2018 13:57
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Benjamin is a specialist?
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Oct 13, 2018 14:46
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Joseance posted:Benjamin is a specialist? He has an ability-theft power which has been exclusively specialist this entire series.
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Oct 13, 2018 14:55
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Yeah, I was thinking something similar, that the generations of the ceremony running may have made the Kakin royal family line extremely Nen-adept. Glad to see I'm not the only one who that occurred to.
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halkenburgs arrow hatsu comes from the pin hatsu thats all from his guardian beast, he doesnt have a hatsu himself I swear I remember wing mentioning that bloodlines are the other quickest way to specialist hatsu either before or after he mentions that manipulators and conjurers have the easiest chance at segueing into it but its been like a full year since I read early HxH
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Oct 14, 2018 01:55
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I'm not sure there, but that sounds about right. Also, one of the first examples of Specialist Nen we've seen, possibly the first (I can't quite remember), was Emperor Time, which is connected to Kurapika's clan and their eyes, so that definitely fits.
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Oct 14, 2018 02:03
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yeah, i'm pretty sure there were no specialists in the heaven's tower arc and york shin introduced emperor time before chrollo did anything.
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Oct 14, 2018 02:09
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drat i was right, there is 'specialization bloodlines'. rome wasnt built in a day, it was built under all the tombs of entire royal families
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Oct 14, 2018 02:16
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drjuggalo posted:drat i was right, there is 'specialization bloodlines'. rome wasnt built in a day, it was built under all the tombs of entire royal families Yeah, Specialists are either genetically determined or have unique conditions growing up that can manifest into specialist abilities. So someone like Neon Nostrade, the daughter of some average mobster, became a specialist because of the vaguely stated nurture side of this. But people like Benjamin and Tse are specialists most likely through birthright and it's interesting that they both have the same mother as well.
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Oct 14, 2018 02:37
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Or Kakin royalty are specialists because of the ceremony, not because it molded them over generations, but because it alters them. Tsen-tsen isnt a perfect nen genius, the ceremony is a short path to power overwhelming and this is what it provides.
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Oct 14, 2018 10:26
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At first it seemed weird how super genius was Tsen-Tsen, advancing even faster than Gon & Killua who already were described as 1 in 500K talented boys. But they were also children, we can say maybe an adult is better at controlling his aura. They also fooled around a bit and his trainer gave them a lit of training hours per day, unlike Tsen-Tsen who also seems to be perseverance. He was shown always training since he learned about nen.
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Oct 14, 2018 12:32
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think they were 1 in a million or 10 million or something. zushi was 1 in 100k
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I've always felt bad for Zushi. Kid tries so hard and Gon and Killua just show up and are better than him. I actually dropped Hunter x Hunter for a short while because I thought the introduction of nen meant we we're gonna devolve into DBZ/Bleach-tier "Technique doesn't matter, only power" fights. Fortunately I got back into it, with some reassurance from others it wouldn't come to that, and here we are. I still feed bad for Zushi though.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Or Kakin royalty are specialists because of the ceremony, not because it molded them over generations, but because it alters them. Well not all of them are specialists but I think what Roland and I are arguing is that the eugenics at play here mold a bloodline of nen users with a high aptitude for learning Nen. Specialists can still be a genetic thing but not all of Nasubi's kids are specialists. At least three are, but Halkenburg is a manipulator and if we assume that other nen beasts categories match their hosts (which doesn't have to be the case mind you) the majority of the children are Conjurors (Fuu, Kacho, Maryam, Zhang, Luzarus) with two more manipulators (Sale Sale, Momoze) a transmuter (Tubeppa), and an emitter (Tyson). With Wobles and Camille's affinity being unknown. And the genius Tse has demonstrated puts him somewhere between Neon Nostrade and Gon/Killua. He's learning the feel of his aura really fast, but still hasn't unlocked the nodes in his eyes to see anything. He's still blind to nen in that regard. But it looks like he also manifested his own hatsu unconsciously which is exactly what a couple other nen geniuses have done in this series which counts for something. Which isn't to say you are wrong either, the pot ceremony gives everyone an immediate power to use but the utility of that power depends greatly on the user and their resourcefulness once that parasite has been finalized. It's no substitute for learning the basics and the rest of Nen because if Sale Sale hasn't been a great demonstration, other nen users can and will take you down if they can.
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Oct 14, 2018 13:49
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didnt wing tell gon and killua it would take 3 months for them to learn nen? meanwhile Tse is already on to advanced techniques in two weeks even with theta trying to slow him down
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Oct 14, 2018 17:26
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Tse might well be a genius above Gon and killua but when he dies it will be his inexperience that does it
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Joseance posted:Tse might well be a genius above Gon and killua but when he dies it will be his inexperience that does it Yep,one thing is learning nen and another is being good at combat with it. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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Oct 14, 2018 18:39
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drjuggalo posted:didnt wing tell gon and killua it would take 3 months for them to learn nen? meanwhile Tse is already on to advanced techniques in two weeks even with theta trying to slow him down Wasn't Wing wrong there anyway, because Gon and Killua actually went even faster? I can't remember the exact timespan there admittedly, but they surprised him with just how fast they were. Heck, Gon discovered Zetsu without even being told about it during his fight with Gido. Which actually makes him faster than Tserriednich in that regard, since he managed his whole body right away. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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Oct 14, 2018 20:06
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Roland Jones posted:Wasn't Wing wrong there anyway, because Gon and Killua actually went even faster? I can't remember the exact timespan there admittedly. Heck, Gon discovered Zetsu without being told about it during his fight with Gido. Which actually makes him faster than Tserriednich in that regard, since he managed his whole body right away. no gon said gently caress that and let him and killua get nen punched because learning is for herbs and zushi
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Oh, wait, you're talking about them before they even knew Nen, when they got "baptized" instead; I thought you meant after they started learning it or something. Though the point still stands that they learned much faster than Wing expected even after he realized they were more skilled than he initially thought. Edit: Ah, looking back at those chapters, it did take them a few months, but that's because after Gon got multiple bones broken by Gido (because, you know, getting attacked while in Zetsu will gently caress you up) they both stopped training anything besides Ten for two months due to their promise to Wing. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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