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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Sephyr posted:

It's been an open secret for more than adecade now, though. After bunglers like Serra dumping the city and state state of São Paulo TWICE, then Doria breaking a vow he signed on paper to finish his term and taking a dump on PSDB's voters after his crappy year in power.

People from my state (SP) loved to think of the northeast as a corral of ignorant people voting as they were told, but it's been a bit of a balm to my soul to see how obvious it became that they would vote for any loon that claimed to be anti-PT enough, even if their lives became -materially- worse.

São Paulo is the brazilian Kansas, except in Kansas politicians at least stay around after they gently caress you. In SP they wipe their dicks on your curtain and ditch you for higher office before even lighting up a cigarette.

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder...ampaign=twfolha

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Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

I wish it was easier to tell if I have an amazing gift of foresight or am just a pessimistic turd. In a good world, the two would not be so nearly identical!

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.

Badger of Basra posted:

Crossposting this from CSPAM because typing it all out made me feel like I was insane and I want y'all to enjoy it too:

Don't forget about the Brazilian Communist Party and the Communist Party of Brazil, which, to be fair, have a history.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
Brasil really needs about fifteen less political parties. Well, I guess that problem might solve itself at least.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Frionnel posted:

Don't forget about the Brazilian Communist Party and the Communist Party of Brazil, which, to be fair, have a history.

That one wasn’t as funny to me since that kind of poo poo happens everywhere

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I support the PCCO.

(Partido Cachaceiro Comunista Otaco)

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
More happy news from Peru, Keiko Fujimori has been detained on money laundering charges (some of it from Lavajato, some of it from darker sources); it's so heart warming that she and her father both will be home in prision for christmas.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
You'd think more political parties would result in more diversity in the electorate.

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!

zocio posted:

More happy news from Peru, Keiko Fujimori has been detained on money laundering charges (some of it from Lavajato, some of it from darker sources); it's so heart warming that she and her father both will be home in prision for christmas.

So what's been the fallout like, post PPK's downfall? I haven't really followed up much since then, other than the fujimoristas apparently taking a beating in the mayoral elections the other day.

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747

Badger of Basra posted:

Crossposting this from CSPAM because typing it all out made me feel like I was insane and I want y'all to enjoy it too:

Do any of these guys have a suicide squad?

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

SexyBlindfold posted:

So what's been the fallout like, post PPK's downfall? I haven't really followed up much since then, other than the fujimoristas apparently taking a beating in the mayoral elections the other day.

PPK's crude attempt to ruin Christmas totally not rushed presidential pardon to Alberto Fujimori, negotiated with Kenji Fujimori and the 9 congressmen he managed to snatch from Fuerza Popular (to form " the avengers", seriously, do yourself a favor and Google that for a good laugh), was the best thing that happened to Peru's institutions since the collapse of Alberto's regime, not because PPK stayed in power (he was impeached a month later), but because of its unintended consequences.

Fuerza Popular broke in at least 3 factions: Kenji's, with his alliance with PPK and his political dreams apart from his sister; Alberto's betting on maybe he will have some political future; and Keiko's angry with both Alberto and Kenji, because they weakened her presence in Congress in exchange for Alberto's release.

Keiko's faction swore retribution and delivered quite fast, by sending one of its congressman with a video recording watch to negotiate his vote on the new impeachment attempt against PPK, then presenting this 2 days before the vote, as a result PPK was out, Kenji and a couple of his avengers got suspended from Congress for 6 months (his sanction expires in a couple of months).

But all this infighting took its toll on her popularity as it was transparently an act of revenge, against PPK as was natural, but also against the rogue Fujimorists because the negotiated release of her father, and this is the key part, because she openly questioned what should have been her ultimate goal, her father's freedom.

Her popularity dropped steadily for a couple of months, nothing too troubling because of her Congress super mayority, but then in June, someone in the prosecution office leaked audio tapes of an ongoing investigation of supreme judges (third instance judges and the ones who have the last word on Peruvian justice that does not involve constitutional rights); this tapes revealed a criminal organization inside the juditial branch that was both tied to criminals and politicians (because of their desire to stall or get rid of investigations such as Odebrecht's and narco cash that funded Fuerza Popular for the 2011 and quite possibly 2016 campaigns) for a month straight the news were releasing this tapes to the public, judges got suspended, judges got arrested and a couple of businessmen were arrested as links from the political parties to this criminal judges, this part is important.

The CNM, the body in charge of selecting judges got dragged through the mud, because every single one of their members and some of their advisors were caught on tape trading favors, so the congress was charged with reorganizing it, they of course dragged their feet in an effort that would make Zootopia's bureaucrats blush, so PPK's vice president, now president, Martin Vizcarra surprised everyone by taking them head on and called for a referendum to settle the matter and also to tighten political party financing, ban congressmen reelection, and return congress to a bi-cameral system.

The gamble payed off and Vizcarra's popularity soared, and Keiko's plummeted.

Now is last Tuesday and one of the businessmen that were arrested and put on jail for 36 months got house arrest and the prosecution says that he gave them everything they asked for, backed by documents; so just as (Keiko's) Fujimorists are saying that they are not afraid of this, the very next morning Keiko gets arrested and everyone* celebrates as finally a big fish seems like it will face justice.

*Everyone refers to 9x% of the population, they still have like a 4% approval rating.

TLDR: Keiko is in jail and hopefully stays there, the juditial system is being cleaned and Fujimorism is in disarray.

Edit: grammar

zocio fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Oct 11, 2018

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Wait so Peru is actually staving off a Venezuela route!?

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
A farewell to Brazil, country of broken dreams

Good article from the G&M Latin America bureau reflecting on the rapid decline during their five years in Brazil, and moving the office to Mexico.

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

Rime posted:

A farewell to Brazil, country of broken dreams

Good article from the G&M Latin America bureau reflecting on the rapid decline during their five years in Brazil, and moving the office to Mexico.

That's a tough read indeed.

ArnieD
Apr 1, 2015

Rime posted:

A farewell to Brazil, country of broken dreams

Good article from the G&M Latin America bureau reflecting on the rapid decline during their five years in Brazil, and moving the office to Mexico.

uhmmm "Brazil has decayed into an hyper-violent broken country where inequality, corruption and impunity crush the dreams of its people .... I'll go to Mexico now"

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

ArnieD posted:

uhmmm "Brazil has decayed into an hyper-violent broken country where inequality, corruption and impunity crush the dreams of its people .... I'll go to Mexico now"

Yeah, it's a bit of a non-sequitur. Then again, given that at least Mexico isn't electing an overt torture-happy fascist whose followers assault journalists routinely, it's actually somewhat justified.

When the locals rage against The Economist because it's a communist magazine, a reporter with a family should know when to call it quits.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
How is Mexico's Bernie Sanders doing as president anyway?

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

punk rebel ecks posted:

How is Mexico's Bernie Sanders doing as president anyway?

So far he has either walked back on his campaign promises or being non committal about them while his collaborators fit right in the opulence they used to condemn.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day

punk rebel ecks posted:

How is Mexico's Bernie Sanders doing as president anyway?

He's not president yet.

hoiyes
May 17, 2007

Rime posted:

A farewell to Brazil, country of broken dreams

Good article from the G&M Latin America bureau reflecting on the rapid decline during their five years in Brazil, and moving the office to Mexico.

quote:

There was a watershed moment earlier this year when Mr. da Silva was convicted of accepting renovations on a condo in exchange for helping a giant construction firm win government contracts: The nation watched transfixed as Brazil’s most popular politician was led into a prison by police.
The convictions were a testament to the growing strength and independence of the country’s judicial institutions. 
:ironicat:

And Dilma's impeachment was a testament to the strength of their democracy...

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
I enjoyed the part later on when said hyper-corrupt official was leading in the election polls from prison until the courts ruled he couldn't run for office while incarcerated.

hoiyes
May 17, 2007

Rime posted:

I enjoyed the part later on when said hyper-corrupt official was leading in the election polls from prison until the courts ruled he couldn't run for office while incarcerated.

Because he was convicted by a blatantly partisan judge, on flimsy evidence (a single corrupt official's plea bargain and "common sense"), under an incredibly expedited and politicised judicial process that was being championed by some of the slimiest, incredibly more openly corrupt politicians, who are mostly either free, had their investigations blocked by congress, have had their investigations archived, or larger sentences commuted to a couple of years house arrest. Given the array of corrupt scum lining up against him, it's not really hard to see why people would support Lula's side.

Siselmo
Jun 16, 2013

hey there
So, Mexican goons, how are you faring with family and friends on FB.

I've been purging my friend list because holy cow the transphobia levels are off the charts! Even more than usual.

All of the posts defending Lupita Jones (gently caress Lupita Jones), misgendering Miss Spain, and trying to justify transphobia by being ~rational~ with ~biology~ are driving me up the loving wall.

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Siselmo posted:

So, Mexican goons, how are you faring with family and friends on FB.

I've been purging my friend list because holy cow the transphobia levels are off the charts! Even more than usual.

All of the posts defending Lupita Jones (gently caress Lupita Jones), misgendering Miss Spain, and trying to justify transphobia by being ~rational~ with ~biology~ are driving me up the loving wall.

Haven't seen much discussion about it, other than the occasional meme. FB has got a lot more tolerable after the election, but is still mostly crap.

I did have a guy at my office blurt out "how how ugly are Spanish woman, that a guy has to go and win the beauty contest?" . This with a couple of Spanish women within hearing distance. Brutal.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
Anyone know what's going on in the Colombia/Venezuela border right now? Apparently there's some poo poo going down between the armies of both countries according to a Colombian friend's family

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Reposting from my C-SPAM thread, a good left analysis on the failures of PT that led to the rise of the far right.

https://newmilitant.com/brazils-march-to-barbarism/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Plutonis posted:

Reposting from my C-SPAM thread, a good left analysis on the failures of PT that led to the rise of the far right.

https://newmilitant.com/brazils-march-to-barbarism/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Very good read. A bit dry at times, butr sums up most of the important points. My only caveat is that he doesn't address that even PT's weaksauce reforms were already hailed by the press and conservatives as Mao-Stalinist overtures to make the whole country gay and communist, so trying anything harder left would have seen lefties shot on the streets and tanks rolling into Brasília to the applause of 100% of the media.

Not that they shouldn't have tried, mind. It's one of those cases of Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2018/10/empresarios-bancam-campanha-contra-o-pt-pelo-whatsapp.shtml

I don't trust TSE to follow through on this one but hey, Bolsonaro receiving illegal campaign donations to spread lovely rumors on social media is a thing now.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Dias posted:

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2018/10/empresarios-bancam-campanha-contra-o-pt-pelo-whatsapp.shtml

I don't trust TSE to follow through on this one but hey, Bolsonaro receiving illegal campaign donations to spread lovely rumors on social media is a thing now.

And you are right not to. The court has been absurdly lax in keeping tabs on PSL's candidate. Half because many agree with him, half because they are afraid of being beaten in the streets by supporters.

It's an easy choice for grifters, now. Hop aboard the nazi train and be rewarded with tolerance/cash as it comes to power, or raise your voice and paint a target on yourself for assault and worse when Bozo comes to power.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
This weekend AMLO will do a National Query to decide if the construction of the New Mexican City Airport (NAICM in Spanish) continues or if his proposal of refitting an old Military Airbase goes ahead.

Every single study and specialist consulted agrees that the NAICM is the best option not only because is actually designed to tackle all the needs that will arise in the coming years but because there's been such an investment on it already that canceling it would be very bad for the country's finances. AMLO however, refuses to state a definitive posture about it and the query is quite frankly, very poorly planned, with few urns and localized at public plazas that will limit the assistance from the people.

There's also rampant rumors about the whole thing being pushed by one of AMLO's sponsor that lost the contract to the NAICM and is pretty much throwing a fit, demanding the whole thing to be canceled plus AMLO's team including infamous individuals known by their acts on PRI's electoral frauds over the past two decades.

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

This weekend AMLO will do a National Query to decide if the construction of the New Mexican City Airport (NAICM in Spanish) continues or if his proposal of refitting an old Military Airbase goes ahead.

Every single study and specialist consulted agrees that the NAICM is the best option not only because is actually designed to tackle all the needs that will arise in the coming years but because there's been such an investment on it already that canceling it would be very bad for the country's finances. AMLO however, refuses to state a definitive posture about it and the query is quite frankly, very poorly planned, with few urns and localized at public plazas that will limit the assistance from the people.

There's also rampant rumors about the whole thing being pushed by one of AMLO's sponsor that lost the contract to the NAICM and is pretty much throwing a fit, demanding the whole thing to be canceled plus AMLO's team including infamous individuals known by their acts on PRI's electoral frauds over the past two decades.

IMO, he doesn't have the balls to take the political cost of going with one decision or another (I believe he already made his decision). So he will shield it saying the people have chosen. That's poor governing if you ask me. I'm not saying that corruption should not be investigated in case it exists with this project, but nobody will invest in large scale projects if there's risk they are going to be cancelled after 3 years. Latin Americans Can't have nice things indeed.

ArnieD
Apr 1, 2015
AMLO is being disappointing, but is so annoying that the country is falling to pieces, record breaking number of murders and all, and this dumb airport is everyone's talking about ... people that barely travel to Mexico City are all upset because the city won't have a fancy new airport.

ArnieD fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Oct 24, 2018

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
Just ban air travel imo.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

ArnieD posted:

AMLO is being disappointing, but is so annoying that the country is falling to pieces, record breaking number of murders and all, and this dumb airport is everyone's talking about ... people that barely travel to Mexico City are all upset because the city won't have a fancy new airport.

Thing is, this airport will impact significantly the country's economy and it will be the first major hurdle AMLO's administration will have to sort, so, even if not everyone will make use of it, is still a priority matter for the country as whole. There are more pressing matters? Of course they are, but the airport is an issue AMLO brought upon himself during his campaign so now he has to deal with the mess he created.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
Did we mention former Sao Paulo mayor and current governor candidate Joao Doria appeared in a sex tape that got leaked yesterday? Because I think gringoons would appreciate that news.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Dias posted:

Did we mention former Sao Paulo mayor and current governor candidate Joao Doria appeared in a sex tape that got leaked yesterday? Because I think gringoons would appreciate that news.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
AMLO's query starts today and boy, the testimonies of people who assisted to the urns today are very worrying:

-Some urns weren't even set at the designated location
-The urns that are set, lack any kind of privacy booth to cast your vote, you fill the ballot right there in front of everyone's eyes.
-Unnumbered ballots
-The measures set to avoid multiple votes are laughably useless. Washable ink and they capture your data in a webpage.
-Volunteers have a bunch of promotional items (hats, shirts and so on) that put into question the $1.5 Million MXN budget.


Such a great way for AMLO to start his administration :cripes:

ArnieD
Apr 1, 2015

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

AMLO's query starts today and boy, the testimonies of people who assisted to the urns today are very worrying:

-Some urns weren't even set at the designated location
-The urns that are set, lack any kind of privacy booth to cast your vote, you fill the ballot right there in front of everyone's eyes.
-Unnumbered ballots
-The measures set to avoid multiple votes are laughably useless. Washable ink and they capture your data in a webpage.
-Volunteers have a bunch of promotional items (hats, shirts and so on) that put into question the $1.5 Million MXN budget.


Such a great way for AMLO to start his administration :cripes:

Hey you only post anti-AMLO things, independently if they're true or false, at least at post some negative stuff about the current and past disastrous administrations so you don't look like a huge hypocrite

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

ArnieD posted:

Hey you only post anti-AMLO things, independently if they're true or false, at least at post some negative stuff about the current and past disastrous administrations so you don't look like a huge hypocrite

...why?

I can't vouch for anyone's adherence to truth here, but this is a forum. No one is forced to wedge 'both-sides-are-bad' narratives into every post. Context is good but not mandatory, and some points stand on their own.

If someone makes a post about the Armenian genocide, would you go "Hey dude, talk more about how the armenians were thugs and traitors who maybe had it coming, or you're not being fair!" ?

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ArnieD
Apr 1, 2015

Sephyr posted:

...why?

I can't vouch for anyone's adherence to truth here, but this is a forum. No one is forced to wedge 'both-sides-are-bad' narratives into every post. Context is good but not mandatory, and some points stand on their own.

If someone makes a post about the Armenian genocide, would you go "Hey dude, talk more about how the armenians were thugs and traitors who maybe had it coming, or you're not being fair!" ?

Yeah, maybe I should't have brought it to a forum and I'm bringing stuff from personal life. But I wasn't saying it as a fairness thing, I've just met enough people that are angry that AMLO won, criticize everything he does, even if the guy isn't even president yet, but for some reason are okay with the current government and never say anything bad about it. If that's the case they're being very hypocritical and their opinions/motives should be taken with a grain of salt.

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