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Scudworth posted:the hosts sound like a morning radio zoo crew Best description I’ve heard so far
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Oct 7, 2018 09:41
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Scudworth posted:I decided to finally give LPOTL a try due to this thread discussion, about to finish the first Jim Jones ep. here is a guide to understanding the personalities Marcus - the smart boring one who grew up on Texas and love bones, he tends to do the most research Ben - the dumb guy from Wisconsin who tries to moderate things and had a lot of bits on Red Eye on Fox News though thats stopped Henry - Henry is Henry and has an actual TV and movie acting career.
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Oct 7, 2018 14:42
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exploded mummy posted:Henry - Henry is Henry and has an actual TV and movie acting career. Mostly crap then somehow The Wolf of Wall Street
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Oct 7, 2018 15:53
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i started listening to lpotl with the men in black episodes and i haven't heard anything actually objectionable. i appreciate the true believer guy. its nice to have someone who finds value in these wild stories
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Oct 7, 2018 19:38
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Serf posted:i started listening to lpotl with the men in black episodes and i haven't heard anything actually objectionable. i appreciate the true believer guy. its nice to have someone who finds value in these wild stories There's a lot of older episodes with Henry doing his horrible Chinese accent, though I think he pretty much burned himself out with it after the Aum Shinryko episodes. Nowadays he'll just do a Charles Ng impersonation if he really wants to go into it instead. It also isn't really super obvious, but Henry does actually do fairly good impersonations of someone based off of taped interviews and videos, and as weirdly quasi-racist as his Charles Ng impersonation sounds, it actually is what Charles Ng talks like.
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Oct 7, 2018 20:59
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exploded mummy posted:There's a lot of older episodes with Henry doing his horrible Chinese accent, though I think he pretty much burned himself out with it after the Aum Shinryko episodes. yeah, his impersonations/voices arnt that bad and can sound pretty legit sometimes. Scudworth posted:I decided to finally give LPOTL a try due to this thread discussion, about to finish the first Jim Jones ep. the jim jones series is one of their bests. id say get this book too because alot of there stuff is taken from it. https://www.amazon.com/Road-Jonestown-Jones-Peoples-Temple/dp/1476763828 the one from friday is about the west mephis three and its a multi parter.
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Oct 7, 2018 22:58
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yea Henry is actually good at voices, he just probably shouldn't do Ng considering the old running joke was 'Hong Kong Henry' and all. He did nail the voice though so, points. Slightly racist points, but points.
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Oct 7, 2018 23:01
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sexpig by night posted:yea Henry is actually good at voices, he just probably shouldn't do Ng considering the old running joke was 'Hong Kong Henry' and all. he doesn't do the voice much anymore in general.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:16
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I have a very strong dislike of ching-chong type schtick for reasons too dull to enumerate. Having said that there's something about Henry's Ng impression (ngpression?) that completely tickles me. This is problematic for an entirely different reason, because Ng is a monster, and there's something downright endearing about how he does the character.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:56
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the jim jones series is one of their bests. id say get this book too because alot of there stuff is taken from it. I got the book because of the ep. I'm about half way through it, fascinating read. DangerDummy! posted:I have a very strong dislike of ching-chong type schtick for reasons too dull to enumerate. Having said that there's something about Henry's Ng impression (ngpression?) that completely tickles me. This is problematic for an entirely different reason, because Ng is a monster, and there's something downright endearing about how he does the character. I think it's the twinge of Eric Cartman in the voice that does it. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 12:36
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AceOfFlames posted:I got the book because of the ep. I'm about half way through it, fascinating read. yeah, he goes full cartman for the jerry brudos episodes. since your reading the book and the podcasts. where do you think it all went wrong. I think he always had it in him but the drugs and his general dickheadedness /stress finally cracked him. he had to keep to many lies going at once as well his "i have to control everything" and that just hosed him. and it sucks because he could have been a great dude, he did great poo poo in indiana and other places. I am honestly surprised the dollop hasn't done an episode on jim jones yet.
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Oct 8, 2018 18:12
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, he goes full cartman for the jerry brudos episodes. it means casting Diane Feinstein in a positive light, so I'm not really surprised
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Oct 8, 2018 18:19
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exploded mummy posted:it means casting Diane Feinstein in a positive light, so I'm not really surprised only barely. she lost in the primary to the person they backed.
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Oct 8, 2018 18:33
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Dapper_Swindler posted:only barely. she lost in the primary to the person they backed. The real answer is that at the end of it, you're left punching at a tragedy that claimed 900 lives without a way to deflect to a larger societal problem. It just wouldn't be funny.
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Oct 8, 2018 18:57
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exploded mummy posted:The real answer is that at the end of it, you're left punching at a tragedy that claimed 900 lives without a way to deflect to a larger societal problem. It just wouldn't be funny. Yeah, it's probably this. Keep in mind that pre 9/11 this was THE biggest loss of civilian American life in a single deliberate act. Dapper_Swindler posted:since your reading the book and the podcasts. where do you think it all went wrong. I think he always had it in him but the drugs and his general dickheadedness /stress finally cracked him. he had to keep to many lies going at once as well his "i have to control everything" and that just hosed him. and it sucks because he could have been a great dude, he did great poo poo in indiana and other places. I think he was mostly sincere in wanting to help people (yes, the Hitler thing as a youth was weird but a lot of kids outgrow that stuff. Heck, when I was a kid I'd watch the Batman TV show always hoping Batman would get horribly murdered in those death traps and would loudly claim Draco Malfoy was the best Harry Potter character) until he visited Father Divine and decided he wanted the sort of power and riches he got from his followers for himself. Add the drugs and the aforementioned control freak tendencies and you have yourself a recipe for tragedy. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 20:58
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AceOfFlames posted:Yeah, it's probably this. Keep in mind that pre 9/11 this was THE biggest loss of civilian American life in a single deliberate act. thats a pretty good point. i think the Brazil trip failure hosed him up as well as indiana slowly coming undone. the drugs and the personality hosed him up and he starts believing his own "god hood poo poo". exploded mummy posted:The real answer is that at the end of it, you're left punching at a tragedy that claimed 900 lives without a way to deflect to a larger societal problem. It just wouldn't be funny. they have had plenty of episodes that wern't humor filled. like the Ferguson one. like i sorta agree, but i think they could pull it off.
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Oct 8, 2018 21:41
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
I thought they did. But I guess I'm thinking of another cult?
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Oct 8, 2018 21:44
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
yes they did that one episode over 300 episodes ago when they were still working on the format there really aren't many more than just that one mrfart posted:I thought they did. Nah, never done Jonestown and Dave's always been apprehensive over it. The only time Dave touches cults or small sects tend to be the crazier or more ineffectual ones, or ones that have been wronged by government action.
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Oct 8, 2018 21:59
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Yea Dave's smart to avoid the heavy poo poo as a major focus with how the show is now. There's no real value judgement there it's just people don't listen to a pretty comic focused history show to get 'and now a very special talk about Jonestown and it's horrors'. If you want a 'weird poo poo' podcast that can do serious and funny well I'd suggest Blurry Pictures, they're pretty well conspiracy/cryptid focused but they handle things fairly well when it gets 'real'. I just listened to their Morgellons episode and they had a very serious tone of 'listen, this is not a thing, BUT these people for the most part are sick with SOMETHING mental or physical or both and for the most part they're being scammed by hucksters and that's horrible so gently caress the crystal woo crowd who prey on them' despite having other shows where they just cackle at 'Christmas monsters around the world' and all.
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Oct 9, 2018 02:41
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mrfart posted:I thought they did. You're probably thinking of their recent Synanon ep. Dave mentioned that the rapid response in shutting down Synanon once they started trying to kill people with rattlesnakes was due to Jonestown still being fresh in everyone's minds and the feds didn't want a repeat of that.
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Oct 9, 2018 09:48
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Is there anything similar to The Dollop out there? I like learning about history by people who like to laugh. E: listening to LPOTL now and they totally sound like morning radio hosts...
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Oct 9, 2018 11:20
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AceOfFlames posted:You're probably thinking of their recent Synanon ep. There was also the one about John Africa/MOVE.
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Oct 9, 2018 14:10
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Do Go On is an Australian podcast with a format fairly similar to The Dollop's. The main difference is that they don't focus on historical horror stories and will do a story on just about whatever.
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Oct 9, 2018 14:22
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One of the early eps was the rajneesh cult too. I'm hoping they do a united fruit/chiquita ep some time though.
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Oct 9, 2018 16:19
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AceOfFlames posted:I think he was mostly sincere in wanting to help people (yes, the Hitler thing as a youth was weird but a lot of kids outgrow that stuff. Heck, when I was a kid I'd watch the Batman TV show always hoping Batman would get horribly murdered in those death traps and would loudly claim Draco Malfoy was the best Harry Potter character) until he visited Father Divine and decided he wanted the sort of power and riches he got from his followers for himself. Add the drugs and the aforementioned control freak tendencies and you have yourself a recipe for tragedy. Dapper_Swindler posted:thats a pretty good point. i think the Brazil trip failure hosed him up as well as indiana slowly coming undone. the drugs and the personality hosed him up and he starts believing his own "god hood poo poo". Some notes about this. Jones was holding White Nights (the poison-drinking drills) well before the move to Guyana, and there are multiple accounts of him using his stature amidst the Temple to get people in bed with him, men and women. People would talk about having been hosed by him during sermons, as a kind of call-response. Sermons got more and more freakish and absurd even during the stint in Ukiah. Jones was not "a good guy" before that, the Hitler Youth dabbling wasn't an accident, and you can point all the way back to the pet funerals to get a sense of that. Honestly, I'd tell anyone who might even vaguely believe he was sincere to read through the dozens of hand-written letters addressed to Jones himself in the FOIA FBI file. Hell, go through the whole report. As dry as it is (and as heavily redacted as it is), if you want to piece together a non-opinion-piece narrative of what all went down, I would highly recommend checking it out. Some, if not all of the Guyana-era letters included are loving chilling, if not downright heartbreaking. Good people don't have their dreams dashed and turn around to become that aggressively predatory except in comic books (or in the case of what I'd imagine would be a very specific type of head injury). The dude was a flat-out psychopath. He knew exactly how to target an intensely disenfranchised population - which included targeting elders to get them to put all their social security payouts into the Temple's coffers - was able to cloak himself in being a progressive leader, and thanks to time and patience, reaped some incredible rewards. Those targets were beyond vulnerable to someone like Jones, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that this escaped his notice, or that failure in Indiana had anything to do with things going south. They were already on their way there. Mind, the Temple did a lot of good when it was still in San Fran, but it's better to think about all that good as slowly purchasing political capital, and a means of retaining credibility/loyalty amidst his targeted demographic. Guy got way too high on his own power, and probably wasn't finding sufficient stimuli in it every time he reached a new benchmark. When they got to Guyana, that stimulus wore off, at which point he ratcheted it up with actual drugs, and would be up for hours talking nonsense over the PA. Commence falling completely off the deep end, and the ultimate display of power over people that had barely had anything to eat, and barely had any actual sleep for days on end. It went wrong a lot earlier than Guyana. A lot earlier. EDIT: Just go pick through this site, there's a ton of things in there that flesh out the whole miserable story, largely through the eyes of people who were there, at least one or two of whom were there for the Flavor-Aid finale and snapped out of it for long enough to run like hell. Side note, I think it's cool that Jackie Speier has Leo Ryan's seat now. EDIT: wording. Old Boot fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Oct 9, 2018 16:42
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AceOfFlames posted:You're probably thinking of their recent Synanon ep. Dave mentioned that the rapid response in shutting down Synanon once they started trying to kill people with rattlesnakes was due to Jonestown still being fresh in everyone's minds and the feds didn't want a repeat of that. No, I think they're the only LPOTL episodes I listened to, and in my mind I mixed them up with the dollop.
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Oct 9, 2018 17:08
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Old Boot posted:Some notes about this. yeah. good points. I don't think he was ever a great person or anything, but i guess the better question was when did the mask fully drop and the good deeds stop meaning anything to him. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Oct 9, 2018 18:12
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inthesto posted:Do Go On is an Australian podcast with a format fairly similar to The Dollop's. The main difference is that they don't focus on historical horror stories and will do a story on just about whatever. Maybe we should make a thread called "Idiots talking about history", if this is a popular format. I mean just looking at the dollop and lpotl, there's probably a lot of listener overlap anyways.
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Oct 10, 2018 08:50
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Good episode. Enjoyed the guest; nice having a different sort of voice on.
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Oct 11, 2018 11:14
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Got about 15 minutes into the Dollop about the NY Policeman's Riot, and couldn't take any more. Gareth is so aggressively unfunny and Gareth's friend is obviously so drunk that he's somehow worse at comprehension than Gareth. I don't think I can enjoy anything the Dollop does in a live venue.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:28
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berzerkmonkey posted:Got about 15 minutes into the Dollop about the NY Policeman's Riot, and couldn't take any more. Gareth is so aggressively unfunny and Gareth's friend is obviously so drunk that he's somehow worse at comprehension than Gareth. I don't think I can enjoy anything the Dollop does in a live venue. That's weird. I've been liking the live episodes more than the studio episodes lately. I like a little bit of crowd interaction, and Dave and Gareth don't have to laugh so hard at everything they say when there's an audience of people who can laugh.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:38
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prefect posted:That's weird. I've been liking the live episodes more than the studio episodes lately. I like a little bit of crowd interaction, and Dave and Gareth don't have to laugh so hard at everything they say when there's an audience of people who can laugh. What gets me most is Gareth constantly pushing jokes way past the point where they should be shut down. I'd much rather listen to the "at home" versions because he doesn't have that need to wring every joke dry because he has an audience of one. This could also be due to me just having listened to too many episodes and it just getting on my nerves because I'm seeing the pattern over and over.
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Oct 12, 2018 19:20
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berzerkmonkey posted:What gets me most is Gareth constantly pushing jokes way past the point where they should be shut down. I'd much rather listen to the "at home" versions because he doesn't have that need to wring every joke dry because he has an audience of one. I'm not gonna disagree with this, but it seems weird to pull Gareth up on this. I feel like Dave is way worse about not letting jokes end while they're still funny.
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Oct 12, 2018 19:36
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i like the live episodes because the huge difference in sound quality makes it really easy to skip the ad reads
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Oct 12, 2018 19:39
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Oct 13, 2018 00:08
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berzerkmonkey posted:What gets me most is Gareth constantly pushing jokes way past the point where they should be shut down. When I first started binging Dollops I completely agreed with that Not Operator posted:I feel like Dave is way worse about not letting jokes end while they're still funny. Now I’m fully in this camp. Dave’s riffing kind of sucks. Also it’s tiresome when he starts acting like he needs to shut down Gary’s schtick by acting like it’s boring. Let the man do his work, dude.
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Oct 13, 2018 00:24
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I'd agree that Gareth's joke-pushing on this episode is more annoying than the last few, but you might want to fast forward about half am hour in. Eventually Hill finally stumbles on a joke SO dumb it finally breaks the ice with the crowd, and things are much better afterward. Not to mention Dave lands some choice lines at the end.
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Oct 13, 2018 06:23
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I enjoy the live shows, and I like the drunk guest. I wish every guest was poo poo faced.
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