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Sell Cordoba now and Cole later, maybe? Also, does this game have any sort of hidden "team loyalty" stat that makes a player more likely to stick around even if they could get more money elsewhere?
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Ugh, those are some fantastic prospects but I was hoping we could get an arm back for him. Our OF is also currently stacked with three four-star young guys who are putting up insane numbers, so I'm not sure how Velazquez fits into the picture. Lugo definitely looks like an upgrade over Urias though. And yeah I'm really not thrilled about handing Cole off to the Cubs when we're on a crash course in the playoffs. I know I'm the one who said to shop him, but Hold Cole. Maybe we can deal him in the offseason for a quality arm. Trade Cordoba, he's not exactly setting the world on fire and it will at least give us some salary relief. e. Also I'm betting that with Cole we have a better shot at a ring - or at least a deeper playoff run - and our cheapass owner will give us some more table scraps. Sydin fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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To get an idea of how dominating our pitching is right now... We have a pitcher with a 3.02 ERA, a 6-5 record, and a WAR of 2.0. We moved him to Long Relief because he's our worst starting pitcher so that we could start our Long Relief guy who with a 2.06 ERA who has gone 5-0 in 5 starts. I know that sounds like me advocating for us to sell pitchers but WIN NOW BABY. Hold them all for our glorious run!
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Alright...we swung a nice deal for Cordoba: Matthew Thompson, a 20 year old RHP with a 97 mph heater, four plus pitches and a 70 slider. He's been getting lit up in high A this year and the Cardinals are looking to offload. Ol' Pete says he's the real deal. Unfortunately we have to kick in a bit to get him: SS Edison Mora, a decent SS (we have too many SS in the org already) and Ryan Sloniger, a nothing C prospect. We will HOLD Cole, and see what happens! UPDATE Mejia's demands for a long term deal are just too much...we're not saving any cash long term. So, we extended Cal Quantrill to the tune of 7 years, $77m! That gives us 3 years of super discount on him when he's (hopefully) in his prime. bewbies fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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yea fuckin flags fly forever boys that was the right call
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The Sandman posted:Also, does this game have any sort of hidden "team loyalty" stat that makes a player more likely to stick around even if they could get more money elsewhere? Yep sure is. There's a "greed" stat also. This is largely a formality, but Justin Wilson is asking about an extension. He's incredible, but there's no way we do 6+ years at $18m per, right? We let the man walk?
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Yeah no loving way. He's already 33 to boot and I'm going to wager he won't be putting up a sub 1 ERA come his age 40 season.
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bewbies posted:Yep sure is. There's a "greed" stat also. 
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what's his current deal should we shop him
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what's his current deal Expires at the end of this season but we have 2 option years. I'm thinking we pick one of those up then shop him around, it's not like we don't have other elite RPs who could fill in at closer.
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I'm a Brit who was only exposed to baseball when I was in North America, but I miss the days when the game wasn't entirely about Ks and Home Runs and teams actually stole bases and tried to hit for average. In any event, I wanted to link here a fairly short but very fun LP of OotP '15 that happened some time back. It didn't have a ton of readers, but I enjoyed it and I hope that you will too.
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bewbies posted:Yep sure is. There's a "greed" stat also. Never pay relievers. I am imagining how hard our GM had to work to not laugh in his face at that suggested price tag.
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2021 playoffs NLDS: Atlanta Braves vs San Diego Padres The Braves are a decent team, mainly reliant on excellent pitching. They'll be a tough opponent. Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5 Holy poo poo that was a close call. Thank you, Gerrit Cole
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NLCS: Washington Nationals vs San Diego Padres The Nationals look a lot like the Braves: they have an elite staff and a handful of elite hitters, but are pretty reliant on pitching. Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5 Game 6 Game 7 gently caress you phil maton, why the gently caress was he even in the goddamn game
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Offseason 2021 That was another giant wet fart. I think the team that we have in place can win a series or two before they all price us out, but they need to get on the move here. The team made FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS in profit last year. The owner increased our budget by $8m. Because he's a poo poo bitch punk. We have about $12m to play with.   VOTE OFFSEASON STRATEGY Issue #1: I think we're settled on a general strategy for the time being (keep the band together as long as possible), so what I'm going to ask for here is more like tactics: we need to carefully allocate the limited money that we have. I suggest the following for an offseason agenda: - Clear salary to extend some arbitration guys - Rebuild the bullpen - Hire (or rehire) a manager If you have any additions or subtractions, say so! Issue #2: our manager. Andy Green is out of contract. He wants to resign, but wants almost $2m a year. Our options are: A - Resign Green. Pay the man. B - Hire an experienced outside manager. Selection is VERY limited: Brad Ausmus, Kirk Gibson, and Ozzie Guillen are the kinds of guys that are available. C - Hire a young outside manager. Austin Chubb is a very interesting candidate. He'll be cheap, and he has shown some talent, and fits our team strategy well. D - Promote one of our minor league managers. Both our AA (Philip Wellman) and AAA (Rod Barajas) have done extremely well. Barajas has the better resume, but Wellman is a "tactician", which was what we wanted to pursue all the way back in the day. Issue #3 is options, extensions, and arbitration.  For options, the only "option" of sorts is if we want to qualify Justin Wilson on a $16m, one year deal. I'd say its 50/50 he takes it...if he does, we have a $16m/yr closer (which we may be able to trade), if he doesn't we get a 1st round draft pick. If we don't qualify him, he walks for nothing. For arbitration, I say we withdraw the offers for Luis Perdomo, and extend it to everyone else. For extensions, if we clear some salary (read: trade Cole), we should try and extend one or more young guys. Please prioritize these players in the order I should offer extensions to them. If you think we should not offer an extension, leave them off your list. RHP Michel Baez RF Seth Beer LF Justin Williams 1B Bobby Bradley LHP MacKenzie Gore (he's still on league min for another season) SS Royce Lewis (also still on league min) C Francisco Mejia CF Bryan Reynolds 2B Luis Urias Issue #4 is trades. We are up against the wall financially and have not built fan interest like I'd hoped we would despite going to the LCS. We can clear salary by trading Gerrit Cole or Joey Lucchesi, both of whom are outstanding pitchers on reasonable deals, but can be effectively backfilled by our farm and youngsters. Other than that...we're pretty much where we're at money-wise. Upload should be finished shortly. bewbies fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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Also, take a look at Michael "Mike" Trout's season, along with what Cody Bellinger has been doing lately.
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Can we literally crucify the last two pitchers in Game 7 outside the entrance of the park as a warning to the rest of the bullpen?
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Fire Green for putting Matton in to blow TWO CONSECUTIVE GAMES (I had to double check when I looked at game seven because he did the exact same thing in game six) instead of using Wilson in at least game seven (game six has deniability since he pitched three innings in game 5). Replace him with that Chubb fells, we've been doing a pretty decent job with our youthful coaching gambles, may as well keep going back to the well!
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Also down with trading Maton once we get him signed to an arb deal. Ol' Pete still thinks there's a good reliever in there somewhere but I'm pretty over him.
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IcePhoenix posted:Fire Green for putting Matton in to blow TWO CONSECUTIVE GAMES (I had to double check when I looked at game seven because he did the exact same thing in game six) instead of using Wilson in at least game seven (game six has deniability since he pitched three innings in game 5). Replace him with that Chubb fells, we've been doing a pretty decent job with our youthful coaching gambles, may as well keep going back to the well! Agreed. Fire him, out of a cannon, in the general direction of LA. Then get rid of Matton.
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IcePhoenix posted:Fire Green for putting Matton in to blow TWO CONSECUTIVE GAMES (I had to double check when I looked at game seven because he did the exact same thing in game six) instead of using Wilson in at least game seven (game six has deniability since he pitched three innings in game 5). Replace him with that Chubb fells, we've been doing a pretty decent job with our youthful coaching gambles, may as well keep going back to the well! This. Also shop Cole and see what we can get.
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Offer is in for Austin Chubb to be our new skipper. Here's what we can do for Cole, kid: Cubs will still do the Matthew Lugo and Nelson Velazquez deal. You get a premier power bat prospect and one of the best all around 2B prospects in the game. They also kicked in Jose Albertos as a roster makeweight. He's a 22 year old RHP with a 98 mph heater, an 80 change, and a plus fastball. He projects either as an elite reliever or a #3 starter, depending on how well his curveball and command develop. He's ready to go in a ML bullpen today, though. They asked for a couple prospects back: Spencer Torkelson, our current #6 prospect, a bat-first infielder and former late first round pick, and Eguy Rosario, a nothing 3B prospect. Considering as a part of this deal you get $21 million in salary back as well, I think you should pull the trigger.
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Do it.
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Sydin posted:Do it.
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that is a lot of hookers you just bought for your owner
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Hell yeah. So that's Cole gone, Lucchesi up to #5 and Albertos into the bullpen? Extend Mejia, and also Reynolds if we can afford it. e: also what does the closer market look like? I'd be down with extending a QO to Wilson but only if we can be 100% sure he'll get a better offer from someone else. Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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Honestly I'm okay with a QO to Wilson. He's been effective and we can dump him if necessary after a year. Or he can hopefully walk and we get a first-rounder to bolster our Team Homegrown/Wheel-n-Deal aesthetic.
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No point getting rid of Cole to dump his salary and then immediately giving 80% of that cash to a reliever.
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Julio Cruz posted:No point getting rid of Cole to dump his salary and then immediately giving 80% of that cash to a reliever. 
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I mean, that's fair, but the QO is going to be a crapshoot anyway. He's been effective enough but we don't know for sure other people want him, that's gonna be up in the air either way. We give him walking papers and we get nothing. He's arguably the top of the FA closer class and is LIKELY to generate interest, but if he doesn't I wouldn't be pissed off to have him on the books for another year. Or let him walk, hope we can find some more bullpen arms, and sigh plaintively at the first round pick we don't get.  edit: I'm not saying hope he stays, I'm saying hope he goes and roll the dice.
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Wilson isn't worth a QOrickiep00h posted:Or let him walk, hope we can find some more bullpen arms, and sigh plaintively at the first round pick we don't get. I don't think he makes enough as a FA to get us a 1/2 sandwich pick
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Any way we could get Wilson on a cheaper deal prior to the QO? What's he asking for? I know his extension ask was absurd but is there any shot we could get him on a reasonable 2-3 year deal and then try to shop him if need be?
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IcePhoenix posted:Wilson isn't worth a QO I'm just repeating what (I'm pretty sure) bewbies said. Like I said, I don't really care either way, we'll clearly use whatever we end up with, but I don't think having a solid *~proven closer~* on a year we're intending to go all the way to be the worst place to spend money. edit: quote:For options, the only "option" of sorts is if we want to qualify Justin Wilson on a $16m, one year deal. I'd say its 50/50 he takes it...if he does, we have a $16m/yr closer (which we may be able to trade), if he doesn't we get a 1st round draft pick. If we don't qualify him, he walks for nothing.
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rickiep00h posted:I'm just repeating what (I'm pretty sure) bewbies said. oh, I assumed OOTP would have updated the QO rules, my bad I still don't think he's worth the QO. Unless they massively changed the way the game works (lol) relievers aren't super hard to come by if you do some digging.
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I'd be very annoyed if we offer him a QO and he accepts. Having a reliever be your highest-paid player (and by a long, long way) is literally never a good idea now matter how good he is.
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Offseason update After that spirited debate I did NOT qualify Justin Wilson, as I wanted to have that cash free for trying to buy out some guys with our money from the Cole trade. WHICH WE DID We extended Frank Mejia to a 7/105 contract through his age 33 season, and Justin Williams to a 7/84 deal, with two team options (this is a heck of a deal). That blew our wad on extensions, but we still have about $15m to spend on free agents. We also had some award winners: Urias won his second GG at 2B, Durbin Feltman won reliever of the year, Mejia, FTJ, and all three of our outfielders won Silver Sluggers (note: I don't ever remember this happening to me before aside from gamey historical games). Also, Cal Quantrill won his first Cy Young. FTJ was robbed of the MVP by Cody Bellinger. VOTE There isn't much we can afford in free agent market that would be an upgrade for us aside from one very interesting possibility: Sung-Yong Booh, a RHP from ROK. He looks like a clone of Mo Rivera: right hander with two pitches: a 98+ mph cutter, and an offspeed pitch. Ol' Pete thinks VERY highly of him, and his initial demand is only 4/24. Him plus Feltman, Wingenter, and Munoz looks like a league-best bullpen that won't blow multiple playoff games. Pursue him, or no? Second, I think we should consider trading Marco Luciano. He's the #8 overall prospect, but he's a pure middle infielder, and we're pretty well set at both MI positions with Urias, Royce Lewis, and now Matthew Lugo. I think we should probably target a superbat at 1B, as it is unlikely we're able to retain Bobby Bradley after arbitration. My first choice is Blaze Jordan, who projects as a plus plus plus (plus) bat, and not much else. He was the 4th overall pick season before last and is currently the #7 overall prospect He'll cost a small fortune (Luciano ++) but has Edgar Martinez or Don Mattingly kind of hitting potential. The other possibility is Luis Zavala, who the Reds currently have trying to play in the OF but definitely looks more like a 1B in the majors. He's also only 18, and not as well developed as Jordan, but also projects as an elite bat somewhere down the line. He'll be cheaper to get but isn't as much of a blue chipper. So, do we: Pursue Booh and, or Trade Luciano Note: We also packed off Maton for Ian Anderson, a 23 year old borderline starter/reliever with a plus slider who looks like he could make the ML roster this year. Bye, Phil. On further review I feel like Blaze Jordan was a born Padre bewbies fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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