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I've always wondered had battleship development continued if they would have developed long rod penetrators for the big guns. that...would own
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bewbies posted:I've always wondered had battleship development continued if they would have developed long rod penetrators for the big guns. Unlikely. The damage output of a sixteen-inch cannon was never the issue, Especially since ship armor has gotten thinner, not thicker, since 1945. The problem was and remains that first the air power, and later a much smaller ship with antiship missiles could sink a battleship from way beyond Its response range. Even a huge gun APFSDS would be super unlikely to bridge the range gap between a gun and an antiship missile.
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Oct 14, 2018 17:08
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Okay, I followed from the spaceflight thread because I also didn't want to derail it too much, but I live within a Wisconsin-length of the Wisconsin and it's pretty cool. I don't know about other Iowa-class but compared to most of the other ship museums I've visited it's definitely up there. It's got a few select areas open for the general self-guided tour and some more areas that they do guided tours of. So, what's the purpose of the curved metal plate at the bottom of the picture? thingy for breaking up waves that come over the bow? fake e: I never noticed that the word for the front part of the ship, "bow", and the thing for launching arrows, "bow" spell exactly the same, but you pronounce them differently.
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Oct 14, 2018 17:41
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get this: in english lead rhymes with read but lead rhymes with read 
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Oct 14, 2018 17:45
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Nebakenezzer posted:So, what's the purpose of the curved metal plate at the bottom of the picture? thingy for breaking up waves that come over the bow? That would be my guess. Ocean liners have a similar structure for diverting waves in heavy seas.
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Oct 14, 2018 18:31
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HEY GUNS posted:get this: in english lead rhymes with read but lead rhymes with read It's a silly language to be sure.
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Oct 14, 2018 18:41
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Sometimes we spell it "led" just to gently caress with you
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Oct 14, 2018 18:54
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don't forget lede
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HEY GUNS posted:don't forget lede I'm a native english speaker and I didn't see that word until I was like, 28, and I thought for sure it was a typo
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Ainsley McTree posted:I'm a native english speaker and I didn't see that word until I was like, 28, and I thought for sure it was a typo I was tue same but to be fair it is mostly an American thing.
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Oct 14, 2018 19:16
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HEY GUNS posted:don't forget lede So many German correspondents to English magazines have burned out while writing lieds at the editor's request.
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Oct 14, 2018 19:17
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Ainsley McTree posted:I'm a native english speaker and I didn't see that word until I was like, 28, and I thought for sure it was a typo To be fair, it's journalist jargon, not a commonly-used word. See also "hed" and "graf". Journalists: intentionally mispelling shop talk terms because our whole schtick is getting the spelling right on everything the public sees. It's ironic or something.
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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bewbies posted:I've always wondered had battleship development continued if they would have developed long rod penetrators for the big guns. A longrod lawndart might be able to burrow through more armor, but that 16" AP shell just either takes the armor plate with it or spalls the other side off, filling the compartment with giant steel splinters, same as 32-pound roundshot did against wooden ships. If battleships had continued to evolve, they would have bankrupted nations. The Iowa class (the best BBs if not technicallly the last, Vanguard was rather lacking in ... well, everything) were not proof against their own guns at most ranges, which was kind of the main idea in earlier battleships. (I mean if two of them were to fight a duel, not a joke about Iowa's accident.) Kinda disappointed Montana didn't get built, though. Edit: oops double post, I meant to copypaste this into an edit of the above post but forgot.
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Oct 14, 2018 19:57
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HEY GUNS posted:get this: in english lead rhymes with read but lead rhymes with read 
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Oct 14, 2018 20:08
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Lede is spelled the way it is because lead was a printer's term and it was confusing.
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Oct 14, 2018 20:22
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Ainsley McTree posted:I'm a native english speaker and I didn't see that word until I was like, 28, and I thought for sure it was a typo my dad's a blues musician so I quickly got track of my ledbellies and leadbetters 
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Oct 14, 2018 20:24
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Chillbro Baggins posted:A longrod lawndart might be able to burrow through more armor, but that 16" AP shell just either takes the armor plate with it or spalls the other side off, filling the compartment with giant steel splinters, same as 32-pound roundshot did against wooden ships. I feel like there were some armors that were protected, or at least resistant, to 16" AP...and had battleships continued their glorious development presumably their armor would've gotten better and better too. Like, imagine a battleship with composite, spaced armor. You'd NEED a 6 foot long heavy metal penetrator.
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Oct 14, 2018 23:49
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Or just a nuke. poo poo, now I really want to see the crazy Cold War schemes from the alternate timeline where battleships were expected to trade nuclear artillery salvos.
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Oct 14, 2018 23:54
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bewbies posted:I feel like there were some armors that were protected, or at least resistant, to 16" AP...and had battleships continued their glorious development presumably their armor would've gotten better and better too. Like, imagine a battleship with composite, spaced armor. You'd NEED a 6 foot long heavy metal penetrator. Right up until some rear end in a top hat develops the top-attack ship launched missile (presuming we live in a world where aircraft aren't possible)
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Oct 14, 2018 23:54
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I wonder if they could have invented some kind of long range torpedo launcher, also.
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Oct 15, 2018 00:06
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Fangz posted:I wonder if they could have invented some kind of long range torpedo launcher, also. Some kind of "long spear" or "long trident" perhaps. Maybe "long assegai"
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Oct 15, 2018 00:11
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The Long Lance would have been pretty lethal with a half-decent homing system...
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Oct 15, 2018 00:23
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Cyrano4747 posted:Some kind of "long spear" or "long trident" perhaps. Maybe "long assegai" And we come back to pikes again.
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Fangz posted:The Long Lance would have been pretty lethal with a half-decent homing system... 
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Ironically that was a terrible homing system because visibility was poo poo. IIRC they didn't have a proper periscope, just a window on the fin. You can imagine how well that worked.
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In the interest of keeping my blog more on topic and focusing on subjects I find interesting personally, I'm going to trim the artillery articles a little. Tiger (P) Queue: Scorpion, SKS, Australian Centurions in Vietnam, PzIII Ausf. E and F, PzIII Ausf. G and H, Trials of the PzIII Ausf. H in the USSR, PzIII Ausf.J-N, Russian Renault, Nashorn/Hornisse, Medium Tank M4A2E8, P.1000 and other work by Grotte, KV-100 and KV-122, Cruiser Tank Mk.I, Cruiser Tank Mk.II, Valentine III and V, Valentine IX, Valentine X and XI, 7TP and Vickers Mk.E trials in the USSR, Modern Polish tank projects, SD-100 (Czech SU-100 clone), TACAM R-2, kpúv vz. 34, kpúv vz. 37, kpúv vz. 38, IS-1 (IS-85), IS-2 (object 240), Production of the IS-2, IS-2 modernization projects, GMC M8, First Soviet assault rifles, Stahlhelm in WWI, Stahlhelm in WWII, SU-76 with big guns, Panther trials in the USSR, Western spherical tanks, S35 in German service, SU-152 combat debut, 57 mm gun M1, T-34 applique armour projects Available for request:  Schmeisser's work in the USSR Object 237 (IS-1 prototype) SU-85 T-29-5 KV-85 Tank sleds T-80 (the light tank) Proposed Soviet heavy tank destroyers DS-39 tank machinegun MS-1/T-18 Kalashnikov's debut works MS-1 production Kalashnikov-Petrov self-loading carbine SU-76M (SU-15M) production S-51 SU-76I T-26 with mine detection equipment IS-2 mod. 1944  Archer Challenger I  Medium Tank M3 use in the USSR HMC T82 Medium Tank M4A4 Hellcat  Jagdpanzer IV Grosstraktor Gebirgskanone M 15 Maus development in 1943-44 German anti-tank rifles Panzer IV/70 Czech anti-tank rifles in German service Hotchkiss H 39/Pz.Kpfw.38H(f) in German service  Hotchkiss H 35 and H 39  FIAT 3000 FIAT L6-40 M13/40, M14/41, M15/42  Experimental Polish tanks of the 1930s  Trials of the LT vz. 35 in the USSR Ensign Expendable fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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I wanna hear about T34 applique armour, since I've only really heard about it in terms of Shermans.
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Fangz posted:I wanna hear about T34 applique armour, since I've only really heard about it in terms of Shermans.  
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Nebakenezzer posted:A priest and two kids? There's an alternate universe where balloon warfare took off and the Macy's Day Parade was our equivalent of one of those Soviet military parades with all the ICBMS.
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Ah, the ablative Soviet armor. Extremely modular, you just plug another one on wherever you take a hit. The pinnacle of vehicular armor.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aladW_D4nKU The World of Tanks historian gets to crawl around his former ride. Most of his videos, he's read the manual, and knows his way around the tank because they're all pretty similar, albeit smaller than he's used to*. This one, it's the one he lived in for a year. He's 6'5", rather tall for WWII tanks. Fits perfectly in his seat in the M1A1. To be fair, well...  The roomiest WWII medium tank is about the footprint of the turret of the Abrams. Modern tanks are loving huge. Also he is a Brit (Northern Irish, explains the weird accent) converted to American, and complains about the lack of a boiling vessel in the American M1. "I thought of duct-taping my saber to the end of the gun tube, but the sword cost $400 and the first round downrange would be the end of it, so probably not the best idea." Edit: It has fuel tanks in the front, around the driver. It burns jet fuel*, basically fancy diesel, so the fuel doesn't catch fire easily. The front fuel tanks are extra armor. *the US military has streamlined their supply line, all the trucks are diesels, all the tanks, helicopters, and airplanes are turbines. They all use the same fuel.An M1 or an F-22 would be perfectly happy filled with regular diesel fuel, if the hose was long enough to reach the filler hole. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Chillbro Baggins posted:*the US military has streamlined their supply line, all the trucks are diesels, all the tanks, helicopters, and airplanes are turbines. They all use the same fuel.An M1 or an F-22 would be perfectly happy filled with regular diesel fuel, if the hose was long enough to reach the filler hole. This seems like a pretty decent idea for the most part, are there any overt or hidden disadvantages to it?
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Milo and POTUS posted:This seems like a pretty decent idea for the most part, are there any overt or hidden disadvantages to it? While this CAN be done, it can affect engine life.
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Milo and POTUS posted:This seems like a pretty decent idea for the most part, are there any overt or hidden disadvantages to it? Not that I know of. Double bonus, all those engines will run on anything that burns. You have to adjust something on the piston engines to make them run well on, say, tequila, but turbines don't give a gently caress as long as you put something that burns into them (a lot of industrial backup electrical generators are the civilian version of the J79, many of them burn LNG or propane.) Maintenence intervals are somewhat shorter when you're using anything other than JP-8, but if you're desperate enough to fuel your jet with cognac, you're not so much worried about your mechanics yelling at you as surviving, y'know? Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Chillbro Baggins posted:Also he is a Brit (Northern Irish, explains the weird accent) converted to American, and complains about the lack of a boiling vessel in the American M1. If he’s from the north he sure wasn’t there for long, that’s a Dublin accent he’s got, albeit somewhat worn by 15+ years in the US
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Milo and POTUS posted:This seems like a pretty decent idea for the most part, are there any overt or hidden disadvantages to it? Yes. The m1 turbine is a horrible on fuel economy and breaks down way too often even with jp8 only. Having crewed a Leo 2a4 for FDF back in the day and Now crewing a m1a2 for US Army I can safely say the ”we should convert to diesel” conversation that US armor development has pretty much once a year has a lot of reason to it. Same reason is why soviets dumped the turbine, though for them the turbine unreliability was even bigger issue because Soviet engineering. Also on the size of Tanks, Tiger I and Leo 2 are almost exactly same size. Tiger, however has a crew of 5.
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Quinntan posted:If he’s from the north he sure wasn’t there for long, that’s a Dublin accent he’s got, albeit somewhat worn by 15+ years in the US Yeah I'm pretty sure he's from the Republic of Ireland before emigrating to the US
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a letterquote:Dearest to my heart, a thousand times my darling, Hans Merten,
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