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K. Waste posted:There's a not unpredictable puratinism about it - if you represent something, you must in some sense feel that it is good. See also: 90% of reactions to Sucker Punch.
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Hat Thoughts posted:Ppl like this always give themselves away when they just randomly throw in a thesis title in their statement like that's how people talk
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Oct 15, 2018 01:07
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Mr. Apollo posted:He has a PhD in literature or something like that. When talking to him he starts off a lot of sentences with “Well, as someone who has a PhD...” A pretty huge dick?
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Oct 15, 2018 01:28
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That describes his personality very nicely.
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Oct 15, 2018 01:30
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Mr. Apollo posted:He has a PhD in literature or something like that. When talking to him he starts off a lot of sentences with “Well, as someone who has a PhD...” Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner,
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Oct 15, 2018 01:32
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I'll never fault someone for having an expanded vernacular. It's only lovely when they use it as a cudgel against something rather than use it to better criticize it.
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Oct 15, 2018 01:45
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Gatts posted:Correction. He also did Basic Instinct during that stretch. So it's a Quintet. Robocop -> Total Recall -> Basic Instinct -> Showgirls -> Starship Troopers. Elle is loving great, went to see it in the cinemas with my girlfriend (who thinks Paul Verhoeven is a genius), and its probably her favorite movie.
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Oct 15, 2018 02:09
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It's concluded. Paul Verhoeven is a genius. It is a scientific law.
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Oct 15, 2018 02:19
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Only an idiot would question how great Paul Verhoeven is.
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Oct 15, 2018 02:23
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Sir Kodiak posted:It's not the collateral damage. Clark's guilt is intervening in Africa because he's motivated specifically to save Lois, without thought to the larger context, and he ends up getting tricked into covering up the US assassination of a rebel leader in a foreign country. That's the distinction with Metropolis, where Superman was legitimately doing the best he could for everyone involved. This is why Lois has the line in the bathtub about how she's not sure that it's possible for him to love her and still be Superman. Because Superman loves everybody. I would disagree. I think a larger overarching theme of MoS and BvS, is that the use of force (which I kinda view as synonymous with power) always has drawbacks, even when used with noble intent. The idea that there's some mythical "clean" violence (see, Iron Man vs Browns) is just part of the power fantasy that's part and parcel of the Super hero genre, but when Superman gets punched through a building, and when Batman kicks people in the face, there's bound to be casualties. That's also why I kind of think the movie agrees with Lex here, everytime someone uses power, people die. Let's assume the thing in Africa didn't happen. Would you still say Superman would be innocent?
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Oct 15, 2018 12:31
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ElNarez posted:in that same loving thread he calls Whedon, who's never seen a character he couldn't reduce to a rote story archetype, a humanist, in the context of Justice League, and it's maybe the most mad I've been at an opinion in movie discourse How can anyone call Joss Whedon a humanist? To me it seems quite obvious that there is a strong undercurrent of nihilism running through all his work. To be frank, I'm not certain Whedon believes in much of anything. I haven't gotten any sense of Whedon's convictions or beliefs other than "life is meaningless" from anything he's made. I mean this is a man who seems to begin every creative endeavour by asking himself "which character should I kill?" because that's the only way he knows to convince the audience that his movie or show has some measure of pathos. Now if you asked me what Whedon's fetishes are I could easily tell you, it's femdom, feet and mind-control.
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Oct 15, 2018 12:38
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No one ever brings up Zwartboek when talking about Verhoven movies and idk why, it owns.
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lmao Actually Tony Stark: "I am going to recruit a 16 year old into a fight with my super hero buddies whose lives I want to control. I am also going to give a 16 year old a suit with something called loving 'Instant Kill Mode' because I'm sure that won't traumatize him the first time he accidentally activates it and paints a wall with some mugger's insides"
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McCloud posted:I would disagree. I think a larger overarching theme of MoS and BvS, is that the use of force (which I kinda view as synonymous with power) always has drawbacks, even when used with noble intent. The idea that there's some mythical "clean" violence (see, Iron Man vs Browns) is just part of the power fantasy that's part and parcel of the Super hero genre, but when Superman gets punched through a building, and when Batman kicks people in the face, there's bound to be casualties. That's also why I kind of think the movie agrees with Lex here, everytime someone uses power, people die. The inevitability of unforeseen consequences is definitely a theme of the movies—see Clark's conversation with Pa Kent on the mountain in BvS—it's just not what Lex is talking about. Lex is concerned with justifying his own cynicism. He's perfectly happy to directly damage people; collateral damage isn't a problem for him. Lex believes that everyone is in it for themselves. As such, he engineers situations to show that, when the chips are down, Superman is also in it for himself: saving Lois; saving Ma Kent. He's dismissive of altruism as a legitimate motivation. He hasn't gotten to the point that Clark's at, where he's struggling with the practical limits of it.
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Oct 15, 2018 16:07
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Jutsuka posted:How can anyone call Joss Whedon a humanist? To me it seems quite obvious that there is a strong undercurrent of nihilism running through all his work. To be frank, I'm not certain Whedon believes in much of anything. I haven't gotten any sense of Whedon's convictions or beliefs other than "life is meaningless" from anything he's made. I mean this is a man who seems to begin every creative endeavour by asking himself "which character should I kill?" because that's the only way he knows to convince the audience that his movie or show has some measure of pathos. Now if you asked me what Whedon's fetishes are I could easily tell you, it's femdom, feet and mind-control. Whedon's a card-carrying humanist, for what that's worth. Gives speeches to the humanist society, lots of talk about explicit "faith" in humanity.
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Oct 15, 2018 16:21
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josh04 posted:Whedon's a card-carrying humanist, for what that's worth. Gives speeches to the humanist society, lots of talk about explicit "faith" in humanity. It sure doesn't show in his work. But then talk is cheap and empty rhetoric is certainly the hallmark of the kind of liberalism Whedon epitomizes. Jutsuka fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 17:59
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Jutsuka posted:It sure doesn't show in his work. But then talk is cheap and empty rhetoric is certainly the hallmark of the kind of liberalism Whedon epitomizes. I'm trying to think of a single moment where ordinary people step up and help each other of their own volition in any of his movies and honestly can't think of any. Whereas we saw that in each of the previous two Superman movies. I'm sure someone will correct me, though, and I'm just not remembering.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:16
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Sir Kodiak posted:I'm trying to think of a single moment where ordinary people step up and help each other of their own volition in any of his movies and honestly can't think of any. Whereas we saw that in each of the previous two Superman movies. The ordinary people turn out to be secret spies usually.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:51
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Jutsuka posted:It sure doesn't show in his work. But then talk is cheap and empty rhetoric is certainly the hallmark of the kind of liberalism Whedon epitomizes. There's a little of that in Serenity, with everyone believing that broadcasting the truth will inspire the masses to change society. But that's all talk, no show.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:55
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You can't stop the signal! Though it makes sense if nothing actually happens, we have tons of video footage of black folks getting murdered on camera and maybe a handful of convictions. Whedon just being a truth teller.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:58
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The closest examples I can think of are stuff like a cop snapping to it and helping out when Cap orders him around and bashes an alien. Whedon has talked about how liberal government is the only thing keeping the poor from becoming all but literally zombies, so it's not super surprising, I guess, that his faith in humanity has more to do with it being possible to lead them in the right direction than any independent possibility of goodness. The can't-stop-the-signal business seems pretty in line with that.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:31
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Sir Kodiak posted:The closest examples I can think of are stuff like a cop snapping to it and helping out when Cap orders him around and bashes an alien. Whedon has talked about how liberal government is the only thing keeping the poor from becoming all but literally zombies, so it's not super surprising, I guess, that his faith in humanity has more to do with it being possible to lead them in the right direction than any independent possibility of goodness. The can't-stop-the-signal business seems pretty in line with that. Like the saying goes: "Weird thoughts."
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Oct 15, 2018 19:42
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Sir Kodiak posted:The closest examples I can think of are stuff like a cop snapping to it and helping out when Cap orders him around and bashes an alien. Whedon has talked about how liberal government is the only thing keeping the poor from becoming all but literally zombies, so it's not super surprising, I guess, that his faith in humanity has more to do with it being possible to lead them in the right direction than any independent possibility of goodness. The can't-stop-the-signal business seems pretty in line with that. Even then that's a joke where the cop is kind of confused as to what to do then Cap shows up and gives a bunch of orders and he's all "who in the heck are you" only for Cap to drop kick an alien and the cop immediately turns around repeats Cap's orders verbatim. The Avengers in particular has a few scenes like that where the common man is inspired by the Avengers...to really like the Avengers. Like the girl from Growing Pains who gets saved by Cap then appears later to...talk about how she thinks it was cool she was saved by Cap.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:43
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Guy A. Person posted:...talk about how she thinks it was cool she was saved by Cap.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:49
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bushisms.txt posted:This is part of why civil war is so toothless, there's no moments of grief after the battle, just praise for the avengers. Then civil war comes along and we're supposed to condemn them now. I was hoping a plot point was going to be cap pointing out the new shots being manufactured to push the avengers into being tools, but heh no. It's been a minute since I have seen Avengers 1, but weren't there news reports about overcoming the trauma of the attack and whatnot? I vaguely remember 9/11-ish footage of the aftermath, people pinning pictures on walls. Kind of hilarious when we later learn that, like, five people died.
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Grendels Dad posted:It's been a minute since I have seen Avengers 1, but weren't there news reports about overcoming the trauma of the attack and whatnot? I vaguely remember 9/11-ish footage of the aftermath, people pinning pictures on walls. Kind of hilarious when we later learn that, like, five people died. The reporter literally says, despite the devastation from an extraterrestrial attack, the efforts are a cause for celebration. Then a bunch of people saying how glad they are they exist, though one black couple thinks they're not getting the whole story. Then one politician saying they need to atone for the cities destruction, which is immediately followed by that lady thanking cap in a close up. Then the evil world government also questioning the avengers. So the movie pretty much puts the face of evil on those who question them. There's one small shot of a board but it's a pip, and it goes so quick.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:21
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Grendels Dad posted:It's been a minute since I have seen Avengers 1, but weren't there news reports about overcoming the trauma of the attack and whatnot? I vaguely remember 9/11-ish footage of the aftermath, people pinning pictures on walls. Kind of hilarious when we later learn that, like, five people died. They were pinning pictures of their beloved lost cars to the walls.
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Oct 16, 2018 08:21
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At least a Superman is getting to wear the black suit...
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Oct 16, 2018 19:59
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That poo poo looks like a cosplay photo.
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Oct 16, 2018 21:38
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bushisms.txt posted:That poo poo looks like a cosplay photo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uarSBaSJ8g&t=37s
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Oct 16, 2018 23:03
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Roman posted:This was the only bit of Supergirl I've seen with Superman in it and it just annoyed me. This is the kind of nonsense some people wanted MoS to be: This is why I always thought that Superman was a boring and lame character until MoS, there's just no stakes, no tension, no...nothing.
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Oct 16, 2018 23:19
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Roman posted:This was the only bit of Supergirl I've seen with Superman in it and it just annoyed me. This is the kind of nonsense some people wanted MoS to be: Case in point: quote:This superman was much more like his comic book counterpart than the recent movies
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Oct 16, 2018 23:47
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Lol that reads like a wb plant from ain't it cool
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Almost Blue posted:Case in point: "he respected federal government officers"  MUH Superman is a bootlicker!* *this a joke, I don't actually want to see Superman be a dick to every government worker he comes across. Unless they're ICE.
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Oct 17, 2018 01:03
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Superman not respecting representatives of the military industrial complex? Not my Superman! 
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Oct 17, 2018 01:04
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:This is why I always thought that Superman was a boring and lame character until MoS, there's just no stakes, no tension, no...nothing. I actually really like the Superman Returns version of that Supergirl scene. Though that, being much better made, introduces tension by having the plane keep tearing apart as it fails to handle the forces Superman applies to it.
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Roman posted:This was the only bit of Supergirl I've seen with Superman in it and it just annoyed me. This is the kind of nonsense some people wanted MoS to be: Ahahaha. Nervous reporter: I pray she's watching this Jimmy, super somber and serious: She is. heroic fanfare! sweet moses
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Lmfao. You oughta see that show's Red Tornado. The CW is a guilty pleasure I enjoy like a tray of cheap bon-bons after a long day but sometimes they just... dare you to keep watching.
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