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Is anyone else going to pick up SoulCalibur VI this week?
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Oct 15, 2018 17:50
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A standard BluRay player is going to be running off a SoC that does not have the ability to decode HEVC at 4K, guy. "Processing power" is indeed a huge part of why what you've said is insanely dumb. Treating the discs like they're physically readable across all drives while ctrl-tabbing to a Wikipedia tab, also insanely dumb. I am honestly embarrassed for you right now.
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Oct 15, 2018 17:52
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TheScott2K posted:A standard BluRay player is going to be running off a SoC that does not have the ability to decode HEVC at 4K, guy. "Processing power" is indeed a huge part of why what you've said is insanely dumb. Treating the discs like they're physically readable across all drives while ctrl-tabbing to a Wikipedia tab, also insanely dumb. I am honestly embarrassed for you right now. LMAO ok guy
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Oct 15, 2018 18:03
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I think I'm seeing where some of the confusion is coming from since there was a lot of theoretical stuff with regular Blu-rays that never actually went into practice with the finalized launch version of the spec (e.g. more than two layers), and the "BDXL" writeable drives and discs that did implement the denser layers and added data, but for all intents and purposes are their own format in much the same way that DVD-RAM and its 2.4 gig discs were back in the day. BDXL is essentially its own format, along with UHD discs. A BDXL disc will generally NOT work on a regular Blu-ray player or drive (some exceptions may exist), nor on a UHD player. A 1080p Blu-ray player generally can handle single- and dual-layered DVDs, as well as single- and dual-layered Blu-ray discs with 25 gig layers; nothing else is guaranteed. If UHD discs were readable on normal PC Blu-ray drives, new drives specifically to read Ultra HD Blu-ray discs would not have been necessary, you would have just been able to buy the latest version of PowerDVD and been good, but we know that's not the case. Newer white papers talk about "Blu-ray" being capable of 33 gig layers which is true from a strict "the new revision of Blu-ray used for BDXL and UHD Blu-ray" sense, but is NOT the same thing as "a Blu-ray disc with 33 gig layers will work in all or even most regular Blu-ray players". I've ripped possibly over a thousand Blu-ray discs that I own and have never once seen a regular movie/TV Blu-ray have layers in a size other than 25 gigs, or have more than 50 gigs on a single disc. Also both the PS4 and Xbox One are explicitly having a hard time right now because game discs can't be larger than 50 gigs (because other than the Xbox One S/X they can only read two 25gb layers). If any Blu-ray drive could read 66 gig and 100 gig discs, they would have made these discs that size and called it good. univbee fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 18:03
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I said come in! posted:Is anyone else going to pick up SoulCalibur VI this week? Nope, but check the fighting game thread!
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Oct 15, 2018 18:05
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"The PS4 and PS4 Pro are a firmware patch away from playing UHD Blurays and they just won't do it for some reason" -Auron
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Oct 15, 2018 18:07
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univbee posted:I think I'm seeing where some of the confusion is coming from since there was a lot of theoretical stuff with regular Blu-rays that never actually went into practice (e.g. more than two layers), and the "BDXL" writeable drives and discs that did implement the denser layers and added data, but for all intents and purposes are their own format in much the same way that DVD-RAM and its 2.4 gig discs were back in the day. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I never meant to say that a regular drive could READ a UHD disc (as I edited back), just that they can recognize the disc and that they are under the same spec. I've never seen a 33gb Bluray disc in person either, and also wasn't aware that any regular player couldn't read them. TheScott2K posted:"The PS4 and PS4 Pro are a firmware patch away from playing UHD Blurays and they just won't do it for some reason" -Auron I never once implied that, I know its more than a simple firmware update.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:10
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Auron posted:I never once implied that, I know its more than a simple firmware update. By claiming that the only substantive difference between the two formats is "encryption and encoding" you were strongly clearly implying that.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:14
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At least it looks like UHD50 exists as a spec, although again I don't know if it would be possible to make a hybrid disc. I kind-of feel like something would have done this by now if it were possible, something like those barely over an hour DC straight-to-video OAVs like Batman: Gotham By Gaslight which is only 77 minutes long, it would have been trivial to cram a 1080p and 2160p transfer of that into 50 gigs.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:16
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TheScott2K posted:By claiming that the only substantive difference between the two formats is "encryption and encoding" you were strongly clearly implying that. Nope univbee posted:At least it looks like UHD50 exists as a spec, although again I don't know if it would be possible to make a hybrid disc. I kind-of feel like something would have done this by now if it were possible, something like those barely over an hour DC straight-to-video OAVs like Batman: Gotham By Gaslight which is only 77 minutes long, it would have been trivial to cram a 1080p and 2160p transfer of that into 50 gigs. Yeah I think this would have happened by now. It would definitely save on costs by eliminating the combo packs with two discs.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:51
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This thread is unmitigated AIDS
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Oct 15, 2018 19:38
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Auron posted:It has nothing to do with processing power, it doesn't take much processing power to read and send an image to a display. Its just different encoding (h.264/h.265)
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Oct 15, 2018 19:38
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Xbox Ambassador posted:This thread is unmitigated AIDS Hmm similar to a certain Microsoft console The shoe fits
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Oct 15, 2018 19:48
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Auron posted:It does not take huge amounts of power to decode h.265, you're acting like 4k bluray players are super computers. The things have been hitting sub $100 consistently now, there's nothing special about their processing power. They are compared to the original Blu-Ray spec broheim. UHD Blu-Ray needs minimum 4x speed drives to ensure you can read all the discs fast enough for the data, plain Blu-Ray functions at 1.4x and most plain BD players are 2x. UHD Blu-Ray requires h.265 of course, the basic SOCs with MPEG2 and h.264 blocks used in regular BD players can't possibly handle decoding that all on the lovely CPUs they all use. Like, remember that the original Blu-Ray tech was stuff that had to be slow enough and common enough to fit in sub $100 machines by 2009. You should be able to understand that that means poo poo super slow compared to now after 9 years. Auron posted:That's not even what we were comparing? All I said was processing power has absolutely nothing to do with a bluray player not being able to play 4k Discs Yes it does. Standard Blu-Ray players do not have the processing power to handle UHD Blu-Ray. Because the h.265 codec would have to be re-implemented in software, and the standard processing power available in commodity BD players is nowhere near fast enough. Even if the 4k content was being delivered through MPEG2 or h.264 encoding used on plain Blu-Ray discs, there's no guarantee the hardware would be able to handle the sheer amount of video data, usually such players do not bother to include enough RAM to do that.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:53
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I said come in! posted:Is anyone else going to pick up SoulCalibur VI this week? Ya on pc tho
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Oct 15, 2018 20:14
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the last fighting game I played on PC was One Must Fall 2097
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Oct 15, 2018 20:56
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Intel&Sebastian posted:the last fighting game I played on PC was One Must Fall 2097 FX Fighter right here
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Oct 15, 2018 21:00
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Intel&Sebastian posted:the last fighting game I played on PC was One Must Fall 2097 The last fighting game for me was probably the Gametek version of Super Street Fighter II Turbo, a pretty decent port for the time other than murderous load times, like 2+ minutes between levels unless you had an impossible amount of RAM for the time (like 16 or 32 megs at a time when $50 a meg was a good deal). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IU6u5Ka5uE&t=132s Although I had some really dumb fun with a Korean bootleg of World Warrior. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOsv_QA1jrI EDIT Actually it was Mortal Kombat 3 for PC, which was a drat good port but also had the problem of requiring way too much RAM for the era, so if you played as Shang Tsung there was a lot of hitching when you changed characters since it would have to load the data for the fighter you changed to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xan5wdixi4k
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Oct 15, 2018 21:09
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There was a place called DC Software Club in my hometown that would rent PC games for like 5 bucks when I was a kid. So we, like everyone else who used this place, would rent the game, install it, Xerox whatever manual pages you needed for copy protection, and then return it. Got the PC version of the first Mortal Kombat that way. I later found out that it was a pretty drat good version of it compared to the SNES and Genesis ports. I think it was like 5 floppies.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:14
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TheScott2K posted:There was a place called DC Software Club in my hometown that would rent PC games for like 5 bucks when I was a kid. So we, like everyone else who used this place, would rent the game, install it, Xerox whatever manual pages you needed for copy protection, and then return it. Got the PC version of the first Mortal Kombat that way. I later found out that it was a pretty drat good version of it compared to the SNES and Genesis ports. I think it was like 5 floppies. Our local computer store (Crazy Irving) did that including with major paid software like Microsoft Office if memory serves. They went under, what I heard was they got caught and in a ton of poo poo.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:17
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Intel&Sebastian posted:the last fighting game I played on PC was One Must Fall 2097 Its the place to go now at least for the forums discord server crowd. Delay based netcode games like xrd and unist have noticeable lag improvements over console for some reason idk enough about and a lot of guys in the discord are the sort that refuse to pay for online
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Oct 15, 2018 21:18
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univbee posted:Our local computer store (Crazy Irving) did that including with major paid software like Microsoft Office if memory serves. They went under, what I heard was they got caught and in a ton of poo poo. Our place was open well into the 2000s
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Oct 15, 2018 21:18
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TheScott2K posted:Our place was open well into the 2000s Not that late in our case, the last thing I remember was demo stations with Voodoo2 graphics cards. 
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Oct 15, 2018 21:26
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Hddvd stays winning
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Oct 15, 2018 23:52
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ethanol posted:Hddvd stays winning Still got my fire sale discs in a box somewhere A lot of Universal
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Oct 16, 2018 00:16
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Oh cool 65 posts in the Xbox thread there must be some news! Oh it's just huge retards arguing about a dying media format
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Oct 16, 2018 02:52
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Laserface posted:Oh cool 65 posts in the Xbox thread there must be some news! ☝️
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Oct 16, 2018 02:59
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Laserface posted:Oh cool 65 posts in the Xbox thread there must be some news! lmao
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Oct 16, 2018 14:34
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All physical media is dying, imho
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Oct 16, 2018 15:48
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Finster Dexter posted:All physical media is dying, imho My laserdiscs are doing just fine. *touches earpiece* I'm being told they're all rotting.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:49
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TheScott2K posted:My laserdiscs are doing just fine. *touches earpiece* I'm being told they're all rotting. Fun fact: like a month before they announced it was coming to Blu-ray, I video captured two different Laserdiscs of Piranha II: The Spawning for a friend of mine.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:51
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Finster Dexter posted:All physical media is dying, imho Now that the last four or so years worth of 20% off physical discounts is going away, yeah
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Oct 16, 2018 15:51
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univbee posted:Fun fact: like a month before they announced it was coming to Blu-ray, I video captured two different Laserdiscs of Piranha II: The Spawning for a friend of mine. I was the only person at Virginia Tech who was checking laserdiscs out of the library in 2006. They had the Criterion RoboCop in there!
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Oct 16, 2018 15:56
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TheScott2K posted:I was the only person at Virginia Tech who was checking laserdiscs out of the library in 2006. They had the Criterion RoboCop in there! I'm impressed they kept Laserdiscs around for that long. The choice Criterion LDs were the ones that never really made it to DVD, like the original Streamline dub of Akira. There were a bunch of other titles with exclusive commentary tracks that never made it to DVD or whatever.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:04
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TheScott2K posted:I was the only person at Virginia Tech who was checking laserdiscs out of the library in 2006. They had the Criterion RoboCop in there! Vtech in 2006... drat son
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Oct 16, 2018 16:06
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ethanol posted:Vtech in 2006... drat son Graduated in 07. College ended very abruptly.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:11
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ethanol posted:Now that the last four or so years worth of 20% off physical discounts is going away, yeah Seriously sucks. I brought lots of games thanks to those discounts. Now ill just wait for the terrible digital sales and only buy a couple games I really want day one every year.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:26
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ethanol posted:Now that the last four or so years worth of 20% off physical discounts is going away, yeah Yeah, Best Buy and Amazon ending their discounts is pretty much the nail in the coffin, for me.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:26
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I wonder if they'll do E3 discounts in Canada again. While they're less appealing every year, I'm still sitting on some $50CAD releases.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:28
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The capacitors in my laserdisc player are dying  It was a special one that also played Genesis cartridges, Sega CD and the super rare Sega LD
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Oct 16, 2018 18:15
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