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Citizens now actively resistant to the idea of removing the ships 4 cash store: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/9oejnt/should_ship_sales_go_the_way_of_voyager_direct/?st=jnalq3z0&sh=a883e72c
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MarcusSA posted:The only thing I care about are the tears that will flow after this poo poo show collapses. same. That's all I'm here for. SC tears and lawsuits/discover
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Oct 15, 2018 19:01
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ewe2 posted:Welcome to another edition of Dude, Where's My Face, the long-awaited Friday for citizens yassssss
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Oct 15, 2018 19:04
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Sarsapariller posted:Citizens now actively resistant to the idea of removing the ships 4 cash store: 
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Oct 15, 2018 19:06
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Viscous Soda posted:Okay, most of the other I can understand. CIG's engine is a kludged together hack on top of the already kludged together CryEngine, so of course things are going to go hilariously wrong all the time. in space there is no "up" checkmate 
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Oct 15, 2018 19:07
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Citcon posted:another day another slavery thread Since it takes 2 weeks to even get a response from CIG about anything, I can't wait to see 5k requests a day for people blocking train doors, bar entrances, and stealing your ship over and over and crashing it into an asteroid.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:11
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Why bother finding an asteroid when there's probably another other guy's ship right there?
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Oct 15, 2018 19:12
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Sarsapariller posted:Citizens now actively resistant to the idea of removing the ships 4 cash store: Busting out the greatest hits of yesterday AND today in this non-stop-classic-rock-block!! 
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Oct 15, 2018 19:15
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Sarsapariller posted:I think there are some people for whom actual challenge is kind of stressful and unpleasant, so they are perfectly content to sit around on their thousand dollar chariot, just almost being ready to go out and accomplish something. Thus, Star Citizen. this statement could be very important and true. that would mean commandos are actually just “playing to play a game“...but not “playing a game“. they just do all the side-stuff (eating pizza & drinking coke inclusive) and are happy pretending to be badass behind-enemy-lines mofos. i've seen this with myself even. i collect retro games & consoles. often im happy just collecting, setting up the consoles, getting the best cables, mods and switches etc. i spend quite some money on that. once the poo poo is up and running im like “okay what to buy next??“
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Oct 15, 2018 19:15
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Sarsapariller posted:Citizens now actively resistant to the idea of removing the ships 4 cash store: On one hand, ok sure. The game isn't done and the last thing those who are deep into the sunk cost fallacy is their dreams evaporating (why do I think of Scientology here? Anyway). The other, I would love to see their responses to the idea "what about AFTER the game is released, it's closed. What then?" They won't want it closed
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Oct 15, 2018 19:16
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Speaking of the griefing stuff, has B'Tak been posting?
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Oct 15, 2018 19:17
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Part of my bitterness at CIG is them being unable to do anything reasonably functional and enjoyable so I can get straight to griefing. In one sense they've done a huge part of the hard work by collecting all the people who most deserve to suffer and put them all in one game. Now they just have to layer on a game so I can get to ramming, blocking doors, stranding commandos, and derailing trains.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:20
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Beet Goblin posted:Busting out the greatest hits of yesterday AND today in this non-stop-classic-rock-block!! I'm opening up a new business that is like a grocery store but instead of buying things you pledge your donation to me and then I gift you a gallon of milk or something to thank you for your pledge. And if the gallon if milk is spoiled well you knew that was a risk going in and if you're unhappy you can wait for the refund specialist out back.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:22
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Dooguk posted:42 billboards outside Wilmslow, Cheshire.  Beet Goblin posted:honestly I've mainly transitioned to just demanding people post pictures of their balls when they want to get into a "reasonable debate" about poo poo at this point This. This is the way you argue against bad faith. Scruffpuff posted:I think it will take a few months for backers to realize that the poo poo they saw at CitizenCon was yet another bespoke demo, held together with string, of an isolated "colony" on a "planet" full of props, with a single "quest" that was literally the only one available that sent them to a fixed point. It's the same vertical slice, every year. Just with a different coat of paint. Where's the sandworm? Where's the zero-G environmental combat? Scruffpuff posted:At this point I'm half-convinced that this is all to trick Chris, and also tricking backers is a happy accident. I'm not that sure. I think you could look at his actions as someone who isn't on top of things, or you could say that he's getting bored and disengaged. I mean, we're well into 'stale' territory now.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:23
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Hav posted:I'm not that sure. I think you could look at his actions as someone who isn't on top of things, or you could say that he's getting bored and disengaged. We're well into that funny area now where the backers are taking any win they can wrest, even if they have to manufacture it. We have literally tens of thousands of pages of posts detailing, far better than anyone at CIG ever has, what the problems are with this game. Yet now, we're being retconned into being people who said that "CIG will never be able to make anything at all" so that citizens can point to a single pixel that happens to be in the right place, and then declare us "wrong." That's how far this has devolved. They don't care if CIG makes the game. They're now focused on the only win they can have - being right about a technicality. The last refuge of an idiot.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:27
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WTF does this even mean?quote:The Cash shop should NOT be IN the game. Meaning I don't want the game engine asking me for real money or some secondary currency that I bought with real money. Everything in engine should be immersive. If I want to spend real money I should have to leave the game and go to their web store. So if Neo wants to buy a candy bar in the Matrix he should phone home and do it on Morpheus's ship ATM?
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Oct 15, 2018 19:28
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Virtual Captain posted:Welcome to the all time greatest posts. Get my gif in there of chris riding on the back of a child's ship ride while Ben and Jered shovel that sweet money into the coin slot. I must be remembered for something in this life
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Oct 15, 2018 19:29
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Sarsapariller posted:Citizens now actively resistant to the idea of removing the ships 4 cash store: This came up a lot when mining was introduced as an "amazing new feature" but was walled off behind a single spaceship purchase. The only part of the active community left are the whales, and they don't want the thousands of dollars they spent of JPEG's devalued by peasants earning the same autism chariots in-game. They'll come up with various circular arguments to try to distract from it in the hopes of not turning off newcomers, but in reality they know that SC is beyond "pay to win" its "pay hundreds to engage in integral aspects of gameplay" and they all hope that this never changes. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 19:30
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iospace posted:On one hand, ok sure. The game isn't done and the last thing those who are deep into the sunk cost fallacy is their dreams evaporating (why do I think of Scientology here? Anyway). Ahem: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2426-my-life-in-suicide-cult-after-everyone-else-died.html Couple of people survived Heavensgate. Still promote it. I believe I used the term 'crazy pants' to describe large swathes of the internet. It's a microcosm of all allegedly intelligent primate life on the planet, so it transfers pretty well. Scruffpuff posted:Now they just have to layer on a game so I can get to ramming, blocking doors, stranding commandos, and derailing trains. Goons are gaming entropy. Entropy always wins in the end. Even if we have to change sides and bitch about cultural purity while inviting any old johnny to our space guilds.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:30
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Beet Goblin posted:Busting out the greatest hits of yesterday AND today in this non-stop-classic-rock-block!! I burst into bitter, mirthless laughter upon seeing that one.
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iospace posted:On one hand, ok sure. The game isn't done and the last thing those who are deep into the sunk cost fallacy is their dreams evaporating (why do I think of Scientology here? Anyway). I think it's really interesting that in 4 years we've gone from "Well obviously they'll turn the cash shop off after the in-game store is ready, they have all the money they'll ever need" to "they can't turn off the cash shop, they need the funds!" Reality is completely mutable for these people as long as it supports their current position.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:35
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Sarsapariller posted:I think it's really interesting that in 4 years we've gone from "Well obviously they'll turn the cash shop off after the in-game store is ready, they have all the money they'll ever need" to "they can't turn off the cash shop, they need the funds!" Reality is completely mutable for these people as long as it supports their current position. None of them have ever learned life's hardest lesson: reality doesn't care what you think. Graveyards are filled with the remains of people who Tweeted "gently caress Cancer, AMIRITE #ChooseToLive" and filled medical forums with posts about how they're gonna buck the odds. Pretty sure when that's the cold reality of the universe you live in, it's not going to suddenly change so an autistic fraud can make a bad game because someone posted words somewhere.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:38
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Scruffpuff posted:We're well into that funny area now where the backers are taking any win they can wrest, even if they have to manufacture it. We have literally tens of thousands of pages of posts detailing, far better than anyone at CIG ever has, what the problems are with this game. Yet now, we're being retconned into being people who said that "CIG will never be able to make anything at all" so that citizens can point to a single pixel that happens to be in the right place, and then declare us "wrong." Yes. All of this. Now expand the horizons beyond the 'Star Citizen' thing and you have a really good examination of the wider problem we have with claimed expertise and the wisdom of crowds. It gets most tedious when you see the same patterns arising over and over again, because the dimwits doing the vocalizing haven't run in to what logical fallacies actually are. For example: "They said it couldn't be done" is a strawman argument. If they used a specific instance of someone saying that something could not be done, and *yet is done*, they have a much better chance of 'rubbing' anyone's nose in anything. Edit: It's one of the reasons that it's really to ignore BlueGoblin posts, as he's engaging in meta-conversation about an idea that he alone holds, and the only way to describe that idea is through mediation of other people. eg 'Your vision is not the same as mine and is therefore false', or generally solipsistic. That's either a really broken human, or a politician. The difference being that one group works for free. Fun thing is that the marketing and astroturfing horizon looks functionally similar to a bunch of broken humans, or at least enough to fool around a third of the people. Hav fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Scruffpuff posted:None of them have ever learned life's hardest lesson: reality doesn't care what you think. Graveyards are filled with the remains of people who Tweeted "gently caress Cancer, AMIRITE #ChooseToLive" and filled medical forums with posts about how they're gonna buck the odds. The whole Star Citizen defense squad that trots out whenever even some mild criticism is posted on some obscure corner of the internet, is one of the more entertaining things about the whole social phenomenon known as Star Citizen. It really is baffling to me how these people can think that anything they post on the internet can change the reality of the broken mess CIG continues to add to. Like once they win the flame war against Derek and his dreaded hordes of GOOONS! somehow Star Citizen will be good. Maybe on some level they realize that CIG needs more money to stay afloat and pushing a positive narrative will keep the whales spending and maybe dredge up new rubes, sort of like the crypto-currency crowd. But, with Star Citizen there is so much Techno-Cult insanity layered on top of itself, that its hard to understand the remaining community from any rationale perspective. To these people, the game is their salvation from a mundane and unfulfilling life. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 19:51
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Beet Goblin posted:wait are we supposed to know redchris has an SA account?
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Oct 15, 2018 19:51
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Sarsapariller posted:So far, everyone who's ever played the game has spent 100% of their time in a single system. Right on track! Only the plebs sub-legatus scum  , those of us who've seen and played the secret dev build know that the 100 systems are already done.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:53
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Warhawk109 posted:So yea guys, that life size dragonfly model, CIG totally got a sweet deal, and probably paid nothing for it, because of all the publicity it gave JRDF. My stolen goon valor!
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Oct 15, 2018 19:54
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Colostomy Bag posted:WTF does this even mean? I don't think it's really that crazy. He doesn't want the cash store shoved in face and integrated into the game UI. He doesn't want a premium currency only available for real money. He wants purchases to be DLC and something external to the game - now where it does get crazy is if he's ok with buying in-game credits in the store. But it's a perfectly sane idea that cash stores need to be separate from the game and not some junk you get shoved in your face if you fat-finger the keyboard - or even worse something that gets shoved in your face everytime you want to do some normal in-game activity like buy missiles or fuel. Even for games with "ethical" micro-transactions I dislike that kind of spammy store. It's also bad for people with restraint/gambling problems, who can deal with an out-of-game (or strongly separated) store much better than one that is integrated and shown constantly. If Neo wants the new gun skin he needs to jack out of the Matrix and buy it from the ship vending machine for $22. He shouldn't have Agent Pusher ask him if he wants to buy it for 200 Red Pills or 1000000 Blue Pills, with an option to immediately charge his credit card $20 for 180 Red Pills or $100 for 920 Red Pills (BEST VALUE!).
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Hav posted:Yes. All of this. Now expand the horizons beyond the 'Star Citizen' thing and you have a really good examination of the wider problem we have with claimed expertise and the wisdom of crowds. I'm also getting the distinct impression that it's not just backers playing that game, but CIG themselves. They're manufacturing custom demo maps that showcase a "feature" that they're currently under fire for not being able to get done. Then they show it as if to silence that criticism. Planets are a good example - they got a lot of poo poo for not being good enough to do it. Suddenly, they have them. And they - sort of function, but only in the context of proving people wrong. They're not smooth, interesting, properly functioning playable areas, but the cheapest possible Potemkin-village iteration that adds nothing and is filled with bugs. There's no orbits, rotation, day/night or any of that poo poo - a "Tier-0" of planets. Certainly nothing that can be built on. But it's there, therefore all doubters are wrong and the game will happen. I still have no idea how the first statement flows into the second, but for stupid people they certainly seem to take that causality as a matter of fact.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:58
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Are you somal- ? jeeesus christ!
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Oct 15, 2018 20:03
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We should all upvote them when we brigade them. Reddit takes upvote brigading much more seriously.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:03
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I'm redchris, and so is my wife
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Oct 15, 2018 20:08
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I bet both of those idiots fell for the plat spoiler thing.  for the spine god.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:10
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tuo posted:I'm redchris, and so is my wife I am the wife of redchris, my krakken is open for service boys e concierge level only, im a classy las
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Oct 15, 2018 20:15
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Brigaded the poo poo out of that one. What you gonna do about it Vertisce?
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Oct 15, 2018 20:16
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I can tell you this is something that absolutely happened, because I am in fact redchris. Don't believe me? Ask me something only the real redchris would know, like where the "red" in my username comes from.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:16
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I've got a raging upvote right now.
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Beet Goblin posted:I can tell you this is something that absolutely happened, because I am in fact redchris. Where does the red in your username come from Beetchris?
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