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I would unironically love what basically boils down to DnD Puyo Pop, where each time you clear an encounter the other team has to fight their risen revenants until one group is buried in bodies. There could even be some risk-reward in whether you go for the quickest direct path through the dungeon or try to rack up a monster combo instead.
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I don't see how they're going to get anybody to stick with it. The team of grognards who cheat and read ahead on the adventure but keeps rolling poorly is going to lose to the team of idiots who constantly draw opportunity attacks because they want to rush the caster but roll 20s constantly. Yeah, most of the time those numbers balance out, but every once in a while it just doesn't. Hell, that's basically the premise of Blood Bowl. Most of the time it's fine, sometimes you roll six 1s in a row and your best rusher trips on his own feet and breaks his neck and dies.
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In It For The Tank posted:STRAHD: YOU ALL BOUGHT IT. BY GAWD AS MY WITNESS, BIGBY BROKE HIM IN HALF.
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Oct 15, 2018 23:23
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Piell posted:Can't wait to see the party of archer fighters speedrun the dungeon, minimizing turn time by never moving and rolling all their attack and damage dice at the same time. My word, they've accidently made DnD Speedruns. Greetings from Cormyr. "So I'm just going to move and provoke the opportunity attack, taking damage to save time."
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Oct 15, 2018 23:35
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This is a really weird idea. I mean, it's plausible it might be kind of fun to watch once, maybe? If they publish the pregens they might be interesting to use for something? I don't know I'm looking for an upside here
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Oct 15, 2018 23:45
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I know its discouraged somewhat to post like this in this thread but dnd as an esport is the dumbest loving idea in the universe
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Oct 15, 2018 23:46
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So what's the likelihood of a big stink coming out of this after one team claims the other DM gave their team, literal, unfair advantage 
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Wrestlepig posted:I know its discouraged somewhat to post like this in this thread but dnd as an esport is the dumbest loving idea in the universe Penny Arcade despite their heavy involvement with the D&D team made fun of this already.  
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Oct 16, 2018 00:01
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MonsterEnvy posted:Penny Arcade despite their heavy involvement with the D&D team made fun of this already. With their ties to WotC and the live play games they run, I'm really curious if they will revisit this in comic form or just sweep it under the rug since they already voiced how loving absurd this would be.
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Oct 16, 2018 00:10
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"they're turning D&D into a video game to cash in on casual popularity" happens to THIS edition of all things
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Oct 16, 2018 00:11
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to this day i'm not even sure to play this game....
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Oct 16, 2018 00:15
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"Each game is a best of 3 arena battle and played via Roll20." So it's actually just a really lovely MOBA team battle and not even a race-to-the-dungeon-finish kind of deal? Jesus Christ am I going to have start using "roleplaying not rollplaying" unironically now? 
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gradenko_2000 posted:"they're turning D&D into a video game to cash in on casual popularity" happens to THIS edition of all things I wish they actually would turn it into a video game. There hasn't been a CRPG that even made a token effort at faithful D&D rules since what, Temple of Elemental Evil?
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Oct 16, 2018 00:25
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Sage Genesis posted:"Each game is a best of 3 arena battle and played via Roll20." Ah, the exciting game of "whoever gets the highest initiative wins."
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Will everyone be running the same pregen party? That seems the best way to make it 'fair' but at the same time it'd also make it just a matter of who got better initiative. On the other hand, letting people pick from a set of pregens will quickly lead to charopping the optimal pregens and then the match... still might just go to the highest initiative, unless there's plenty of weird terrain or something.
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Why would anyone play this over, say, Frostgrave, or any other small team based skirmish miniatures game that were actually designed for that type of play? I’m so confused.
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Since they're going with premades, what are the worst subclasses that they will absolutely choose? Champion Fighter (Or is AK worse?) Any Ranger Berzerker Barbarian Wild Mage (so someone has to look at a chart every round)
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Quidthulhu posted:Why would anyone play this over, say, Frostgrave, or any other small team based skirmish miniatures game that were actually designed for that type of play? I’m so confused. Yeah this is wild. I played a decent amount of 40k kill teams and Infinity where the whole game is based around pvp. Those rulesets are loving airtight compared to 5e and people still tried to rules lawyer / RAW all sorts of shenanigans. I can’t wait to see whatever abomination they’re playtesting.
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Darwinism posted:Will everyone be running the same pregen party? That seems the best way to make it 'fair' but at the same time it'd also make it just a matter of who got better initiative. On the other hand, letting people pick from a set of pregens will quickly lead to charopping the optimal pregens and then the match... still might just go to the highest initiative, unless there's plenty of weird terrain or something. It sounds like there's going to be a MOBA-style pick/ban phase before they actually start playing. I still can't believe the pregens will be evenly balanced enough that it'll be anything other than "pick the best character before the other team can" though.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Since they're going with premades, what are the worst subclasses that they will absolutely choose? Non-variant human anything.
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Quidthulhu posted:Why would anyone play this over, say, Frostgrave, or any other small team based skirmish miniatures game that were actually designed for that type of play? I’m so confused. I promise you their logic went no further than "d&d is popular, esports are popular, therefore d&d esports will be very popular"
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Kaysette posted:Non-variant human anything. I bet feats are not allowed except for the one human variant build, and they get Toughness.
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https://twitter.com/DnDSportsTV/status/1051941034429681666
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I played competitive d&d one time. I was one-shot on the first round with guiding bolt. The game went on another 16 rounds while my teammate tried to not die. We lost. what
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Sure hope I never read the phrase "D&D sex icon" ever again.
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Jimmeeee posted:Sure hope I never read the phrase "D&D sex icon" ever again. Maybe they are more like 13th age icons?
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D&D5e as a MOBA. My god what a dumb timeline.
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Jimmeeee posted:Sure hope I never read the phrase "D&D sex icon" ever again. namechange NOW
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mormonpartyboat posted:its gonna be pvp arena battles This is what the description they gave made it sounded like. It's hard to imagine that instead of competitive dungeon crawling though.
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DalaranJ posted:This is what the description they gave made it sounded like. It's hard to imagine that instead of competitive dungeon crawling though. why? it's probably the easiest implementation of the world's dumbest idea - this gives them an environment where the opportunity to take actions outside what the rules expect/need for DM adjudication is drastically curtailed and consistent rulings can be arrived at if they use pregenerated characters they can even ape the form of MOBAs in terms of allowing picks/bans (and establishing "iconic" characters) the fact that the game is in no way designed for this and it'll play out like a boring/badly designed miniatures game is beside the point the part that will be extra funny is if/when they start designing the supplemental material around the PvP game e: Admiral Joeslop posted:Since they're going with premades, what are the worst subclasses that they will absolutely choose? LGD fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Maybe the matches will happen inside a Dungeon with a Dragon or something in it that hates both parties. Still probably not a great a idea, but that could help in making it a bit more interesting then just two parties fighting.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Maybe the matches will happen inside a Dungeon with a Dragon or something in it that hates both parties. Still probably not a great a idea, but that could help in making it a bit more interesting then just two parties fighting. Lol you presume they’re creative enough for that Note that they’re preselecting the teams, so you aren’t gonna get Joe Random with a brain. You’re gonna have a bunch of Actual Play promotion whores who are all sucking the 5e teat real bigly already. Just the usual PR “reality competition” poo poo.
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Quidthulhu posted:Why would anyone play this over, say, Frostgrave, or any other small team based skirmish miniatures game that were actually designed for that type of play? I’m so confused. In fairness that question is asked about literally anything another game does better than D&D and the answer is pretty much always market share, network effects and brand recognition.
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Is the newly advertised WotC game designer role linked to this development? Someone to come in, compartmentalize and take the fall if it goes to poo poo? Or more charitably, someone to develop a parallel version of 5e that can withstand a competitive environment. I'm hoping they can compartmentalize these two different design objectives. Maybe it's leading into what they want 6e to be. Given the timing of the announcements it's most likely just a mess they are making up as they go along.
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They're hosed. If there's any prize money involved, it can not be done without completely rewriting 5e. An action you receive as a bonus is not a bonus action is not going to fly. If this also brings down the DCI, they're completely hosed. WotC and Judges are not friends right now.
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clusterfuck posted:Maybe it's leading into what they want 6e to be. I cannot explain how happy I would be for them to just up and turn D&D into a focused dice rolling competitive MOBA. I wouldn't play it or pay attention to it, but if it turned into that I'd be happy.
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I’m just shocked it’s not D&D Royale tbh but I guess that’s how behind the times they are with eSports.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:They're hosed. If there's any prize money involved, it can not be done without completely rewriting 5e. An action you receive as a bonus is not a bonus action is not going to fly. If this also brings down the DCI, they're completely hosed. WotC and Judges are not friends right now. pish tosh! what would some card playing nerds know about proper DMing? sure they can follow the M:tG rules as written, but how does that prepare them to do on-the-fly game design? why not get special celebrity* DM(s) who were involved in the creation of 5e itself to make any necessary calls! much more exciting, and the community will love it!
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Nitrousoxide posted:Then again, Nitrousoxide posted:You actually get everything I mentioned there regardless of which order you take the class level in. Class abilities you get regardless of whether you take the class level later. It's only the proficiencies that are inherrent to the base class that are limited by multiclassing into it. So I kind of skimmed this and ignored it the first time, it just seemed like some kind of bad opinions. But it was brought to my attention again and I actually read what you wrote. You are wrong. On nearly all points. 1) Yes a Cleric can get heavy armor or martial weapons with certain Domains. This can be useful for some builds. It is not crazy OP or Broken or anything. 2) Taking a level of Wizard can get you their spellbook and their cantrips. And? The spellbook is mostly garbage, but required to be a Wizard. It is outright worse than what most spellcasters get, in a way. Yes you can add spells to it. For a lot of time and a LOT of gold. For what benefit? 1 level is going to limit you to just 1st level spells, and you will still need to prepare them in a slot. Yes the feature can be useful if you have the time and the gold, and know what you are going to be facing that day, for a WIZARD. For a multiclass. No. You wasted a level and you should be ashamed. 3) ...A single level of Bard is not super useful. I notice you keep mentioning Cantrips like that is some crazy good thing. But the biggest issue here is that Bards do not get Jack of All Trades at 1st level. They need to be 2nd level for that, at which point it is not a single level dip. Also the real thing that makes Bard stand out as so good is their ability to take spells from other classes, which they don't get at all until 6th level at the earliest. 4) ... So you didn't mention it but a single level of Fighter can be useful for its Fighting Style. Not amazing or anything, but useful. But you somehow think that 3 levels, which is not a single level dip, would give you the Bear Totem ability of the BARBARIAN, and also Rage, and Barbarian Unarmored Defense which is a really bad AC setup, and most Barbarians would probably just use Medium Armor. So I am assuming you didn't mean that you get these features by taking 3 levels of Fighter. But I could be wrong. If you meant for fighting types, that is 3 freaking levels. That will rarely be worth it for most fighting types. 5) And finally most of those are not actually worth giving up an ASI or Feat. Certainly not by going hog wild multiclassing into multiple classes. And trust me I have been trying out weird multiclass build since very early on in the Playtest.
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