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LesterGroans posted:It's not worse than Iron Fist, but it does drag out of the gate, which is odd. Black Scarf Daredevil seemed like a good sign, but It's front-loaded with a lot of the Netflix MCU stuff I hate. Like, I do not get their obsession with cops and FBI agents when they're so, soooo bad at writing them. Where were you able to watch it?
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That's true and I think I worded my point wrong. I think the Netflix shows in general are better when they focus on the more grounded elements of the characters. Like, DD was at its worst when they spiraled into zombie ninja territory and got away from Frank and WIlson. Defenders and Iron Fist, probably the two least "grounded" properties they've tackled, are widely seen as the least successful shows. Hopefully I'm making sense here.
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BiggerBoat posted:Where were you able to watch it? Screeners through work.
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On one hand I'm cool with them rolling in Danny to Luke Cage and doing Heroes For Hire but the other hand it sucks that we gotta shoe horn white people (assuming Ward comes with Danny) into the only the black show. Colleen can totally come on board though. I would honestly be fine with them axing Defenders/Iron Fist then putting LCs3 on hold if got us Daughters of the Dragon though 🤷🏾♀️
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LesterGroans posted:It's not worse than Iron Fist, but it does drag out of the gate, which is odd. Black Scarf Daredevil seemed like a good sign, but It's front-loaded with a lot of the Netflix MCU stuff I hate. Like, I do not get their obsession with cops and FBI agents when they're so, soooo bad at writing them. I'm getting so tired of Hell's Kitchen. It's midtown and everyone hates midtown, especially the people who are from there. They also should have done Iron Fist in Flushing since it's way bigger than the like 15 square blocks that is Manhattan Chinatown.
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Koalas Massacre posted:On one hand I'm cool with them rolling in Danny to Luke Cage and doing Heroes For Hire but the other hand it sucks that we gotta shoe horn white people (assuming Ward comes with Danny) into the only the black show. Yeah that is a bummer but I absolutely love the dynamic between Danny and Luke. I hope they find somewhere for the IF people.
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qirex posted:I think they feel like they have to justify the fact that all their "heroes" are serial felons by giving them implicit approval from law enforcement. I don't know if this is what you're talking about as far as Daredevil S3 but it's one of those other things that makes no sense in "grounded, real world" scenario but they feel obligated so it doesn't feel so comic book-ey. Jessica Jones S2 had her actually get arrested and not immediately released by a sympathetic detective which was actually unusual. Misty was the only cop in all the shows I actually like and she's a super powered criminal puncher now too. Good news, they are flushing iron fist! 
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It's definitely strange since it seemed like they were essentially rebooting the series with Coleen as Iron Fist this go around and were leaning towards making Danny a very secondary character. I don't think this is some Disney ploy to reboot Iron Fist on the Disney streaming service though because IF would be the worst property to try and do that with; I mean good from the standpoint it could be done better but I don't see a huge upside to doing it better. It seems like Disney is going to be content to bring in bigger talent for short mini-series and that's better for everyone involved then them trying to redo Iron Fist, or even continue it while having to ignore the Netflix content.
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qirex posted:I think they feel like they have to justify the fact that all their "heroes" are serial felons by giving them implicit approval from law enforcement. I don't know if this is what you're talking about as far as Daredevil S3 but it's one of those other things that makes no sense in "grounded, real world" scenario but they feel obligated so it doesn't feel so comic book-ey. Jessica Jones S2 had her actually get arrested and not immediately released by a sympathetic detective which was actually unusual. Misty was the only cop in all the shows I actually like and she's a super powered criminal puncher now too. Almost none of the Hell’s Kitchen scenes in any of the shows are filmed in Midtown. Also, Iron Fist eventually ended up being banned from Manhattan Chinatown in S2 so they had to film in Flushing a lot lol. theflyingexecutive fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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Gorelab posted:I mean my problem with the CW shows is they often want to be super depressing for no reason. Legends is good because it just goes 'gently caress it this is goofy bullshit.' and Black Lightning is good because it does a better job with the drama. This might sound bizarre, but I feel like Black Lightning feels so grounded because it doesn't try and be grounded. A lot of Marvel, and especially Iron Fist spends ages trying to rationalise the unrealistic, and end up either massively contrived or constantly winking at you about how unrealistic it is, and it feels tacky. Black Lightning throws creepy twins, lightning guns, weird sci-fi tailors etc at you constantly, and it's barely commented on as unusual, because that's just how this world works. It's just so casually comic-bookey, and I love it. Especially when a dude called the White Whale has Moby-Dick prominently on his desk and nobody ever mentions it.
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Oct 14, 2018 18:12
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pr0p posted:I hope this causes a domino effect that changes the way Marvel makes these series. I can't do another 13 hours of story that could be condensed into half that. I'm gonna iron fist punch my head off.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm gonna iron fist punch my head off. I’m assuming you’re laying down if your head is on the floor
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theflyingexecutive posted:Almost none of the Hell’s Kitchen scenes in any of the shows are filmed in Midtown. Also, Iron Fist eventually ended up being banned from Manhattan Chinatown in S2 so they had to film in Flushing a lot lol. Compelled to ask how/why these guys got banned from manhattan chinatown
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qirex posted:I'm getting so tired of Hell's Kitchen. It's midtown and everyone hates midtown, especially the people who are from there. They also should have done Iron Fist in Flushing since it's way bigger than the like 15 square blocks that is Manhattan Chinatown. Forget Hell's Kitchen, I'm getting tired of New York as the default setting of every Marvel thing. Just let a villain blow up the city so we can move on to somewhere else. LinYutang fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Marvel's Fargo
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I'm not sure what a Netflix Great Lakes Avengers series would be but it would sure be something.
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LinYutang posted:Forget Hell's Kitchen, I'm getting tired of New York as the default setting of every Marvel thing. Just let a villain blow up the city so we can move on to somewhere else. I feel the same way, I know Marvel has a hard on for New York but a change of location would do the shows some good. Kun Lun doesn't count gently caress that place.
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Fargin Icehole posted:Compelled to ask how/why these guys got banned from manhattan chinatown Filming anything is a very loud and disruptive thing: diverting pedestrians and traffic, taking up painfully-needed parking, dressing the sets, etc so you can film your 1-5 minutes of tv show or movie per 14+ hour day. getting permits to do all of that is a semi-democratic process (they’re issued by the mayor’s office with input from the community boards) and that process finally had enough of iron fist’s requirements of the very small area of manhattan Chinatown. I’m not sure if any of it was hot-zoned (which bars anything from shooting in defined areas unless you throw a ton of cash around) because there have been a ton of things shooting down there besides IF in the past two years or it was a specific ban on IF by the mayor’s office/community board
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docbeard posted:I'm not sure what a Netflix Great Lakes Avengers series would be but it would sure be something. Chicago is half the reason why Dark Knight looks so unique and cool Hell, Detroit actually has the gritty character that they pretend NYC still has LinYutang fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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I looked it up, half of the most photogenic parts of manhattan Chinatown are now hot zones, the other half is special permission only (I.e. :tenbux:).
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It’s hard to understate how much room filming takes up in a crowded-rear end city like NY. You need to park at least 8 semis + additional cast trailers and trucks and then clear parking for both sides of 1-2 city blocks for picture (bigger for more involved and/or stunt scenes) per location. God help you if it’s a period piece or major tourist attraction
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LinYutang posted:Chicago is half the reason why Dark Knight looks so unique and cool Yeah, I'd rather see another marvel show set in literally any other town on the planet than NYC.
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah, I'd rather see another marvel show set in literally any other town on the planet than NYC. convince your state to give film productions outlandish tax incentives 
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They can come film in Sweden, we have outrageous film subsidies.
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Jessica Jones would be great in Philly. I see her sitting in a bar, bleary-eyed, saying, "Holy poo poo, is that how I've been treating people all this time? Is that how I make people feel? I mean, Jesus-- they threw batteries at him. And laughed about it."
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Jessica Jones would be great in Philly. I see her sitting in a bar, bleary-eyed, saying, "Holy poo poo, is that how I've been treating people all this time? Is that how I make people feel? I mean, Jesus-- they threw batteries at him. And laughed about it." Jessica: I've told you, I'm done. I'm not getting involved. 
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Senor Tron posted:Jessica: I've told you, I'm done. I'm not getting involved. "Bill Burr was right, you people SUCK!"
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Senor Tron posted:Jessica: I've told you, I'm done. I'm not getting involved. This is a crossover I need to see.
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At least watchers wouldn’t get mad at her for saying ‘hoagies’ if the show was set in Philly.
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Senor Tron posted:Jessica: I've told you, I'm done. I'm not getting involved. I'd watch it, especially if they let that group write it.
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah, I'd rather see another marvel show set in literally any other town on the planet than NYC. Not enough people in this thread have watched the excellent and actually good Cloak and Dagger, set in New Orleans.
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How are Luke Cage and Iron Fist's second seasons in general? I just finished JJS2, and it was mostly a boring slog, which is a shame because the first season was my favorite of the Netflix shows.
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They're both notable improvements over their first seasons. LC is good and IF is fun at the very worst.
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LC Season 2 was pretty good. Same problem as always where 10 episodes could have done the job instead of 13 but overall really solid.
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I don't think either season puts their best foot forward -- Luke Cage's opener is actively bad, Iron Fist's is fine though -- but they build to fun things. LC is the more ambitious, and a tendency to use its running time for interesting side stories and tangents, like the lawyer episode, or episode 10's reverse MacBeth. Iron Fist is confident and propulsive all the way through, but it's not aiming as high with what it's doing. They're both better than their premier seasons (which wouldn't be hard, in either case).
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Open Source Idiom posted:I don't think either season puts their best foot forward -- Luke Cage's opener is actively bad, Iron Fist's is fine though -- but they build to fun things. LC is the more ambitious, and a tendency to use its running time for interesting side stories and tangents, like the lawyer episode, or episode 10's reverse MacBeth. Iron Fist is confident and propulsive all the way through, but it's not aiming as high with what it's doing. Luke Cage's villians are the worst in all of the netflix marvel. Worse than the Foot Clan by a country mile.
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Parkingtigers posted:Not enough people in this thread have watched the excellent and actually good Cloak and Dagger, set in New Orleans. I didn't even know this existed.
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