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SilverSupernova
Feb 1, 2013

Barry Convex posted:

who wants some GMILF incest in their visual novels

http://store.steampowered.com/app/925340

Meh. Call me when they do one where the cute young girl turns into an elderly grandmother.

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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
If you're extending a history back to the 1980's, the whole PC vs Console idea didn't exist back then. There was a whole continuum of computer-like devices that played games, they were all competing and nobody was on a "PC team" or "Console team". A lot of the systems were made by relatively fly-by-night companies that came and went, programmers were more used to packing up and moving to a completely different architecture because someone went out of business. Different countries and regions has their own completely different devices, it wasn't a global business yet.

So I'd bet that a fair amount of why Japanese devs moved to the NES was because it was the first thing that became a huge world-wide success. They jumped to consoles because their console won the battle royale. If the MSX or whatever other PC-like system had taken over the world they probably would have gone with that, piracy or no piracy.



VVV edit: just trying to make a point about people framing it with the PC vs Console idea, I know nothing about pre-NES japan

Klyith fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 16, 2018

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
I'm not so sure. They hardly had any domestic PC development going, only arcade.

Porting from arcade to PC was pretty rare in the 80s (though it did happen.)

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

SilverSupernova posted:

Meh. Call me when they do one where the cute young girl turns into an elderly grandmother.

But... that happens all the time!

It happens to almost every cute young girl on the planet, in fact!

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

SilverSupernova posted:

Meh. Call me when they do one where the cute young girl turns into an elderly grandmother.

Howl's Moving Castle: eroge edition

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
The premise is definitely something, but it's not tagged with Sexual Content (or even Nudity) so I imagine it's pretty lightweight all things considered.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011

Thuryl
Mar 14, 2007

My postillion has been struck by lightning.

Kanfy posted:

The premise is definitely something, but it's not tagged with Sexual Content (or even Nudity) so I imagine it's pretty lightweight all things considered.

It's also by ebi-hime, who mostly has a history of making things that aren't weird porn. Here's an interview where she talks about it:

quote:

I was inspired to write this story after stumbling across the ‘grandmother x grandson incest’ tag on VNDB. I was surprised this tag existed, and I thought it was funny such a niche fetish featured in enough VNs to warrant a content tag in the first place. After looking through some of these VNs, I saw that the grandmother love interests looked rather young and good-looking for grandmothers, and I thought, ‘what if I wrote a story where a more traditional-looking grandmother transforms into one of these impossibly cute “anime” grandmothers overnight? How would her grandson react to that?!’ Some of my ideas are kind of weird, I guess. :I

In the end, A Winter’s Daydream ended up being a little more serious in tone than I originally intended, though it still has some goofy moments. I’m quite fond of it, and I hope other people enjoy it, too! (Sadly, while the grandmother character is the main heroine of the story, in the sense that she’s the female lead, she’s not a love interest. I hope this doesn’t disappoint anybody haha…)

So you cannot in fact date your grandmother in the game, but the original idea was inspired by games where you can. That's something, I guess.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
That's actually a little fantastic. I'd like to see more anime games that seem like setups for weird porn and turn out to be entirely clean.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Klyith posted:

If you're extending a history back to the 1980's, the whole PC vs Console idea didn't exist back then. There was a whole continuum of computer-like devices that played games, they were all competing and nobody was on a "PC team" or "Console team". A lot of the systems were made by relatively fly-by-night companies that came and went, programmers were more used to packing up and moving to a completely different architecture because someone went out of business. Different countries and regions has their own completely different devices, it wasn't a global business yet.

So I'd bet that a fair amount of why Japanese devs moved to the NES was because it was the first thing that became a huge world-wide success. They jumped to consoles because their console won the battle royale. If the MSX or whatever other PC-like system had taken over the world they probably would have gone with that, piracy or no piracy.



VVV edit: just trying to make a point about people framing it with the PC vs Console idea, I know nothing about pre-NES japan

That explains a lot. Also means a lot of old computer platforms have their own styles and nostalgic communities; La-Mulana, especially the original, is made as a tribute to MSX games, with the games findable around the ruins. (including Castlevania which is naturally part of a whip damage boost combination, and Metal Gear) The Commodore 64 at least if Game Dev Tycoon is any indication was one of the major competitors to the PC platform, and I think while the Amiga has a reputation for being used more for art programs it STILL has a dedicated, slightly scary fan community.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

The weirdest thing about many of these visual novels (and anime in general) to me is how little sex and romance there actually is - a lot of it seems to be just teasing and the characters being awkward around each other with only ocasional nudity . It’s not even proper porn!

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

That explains a lot. Also means a lot of old computer platforms have their own styles and nostalgic communities; La-Mulana, especially the original, is made as a tribute to MSX games, with the games findable around the ruins. (including Castlevania which is naturally part of a whip damage boost combination, and Metal Gear) The Commodore 64 at least if Game Dev Tycoon is any indication was one of the major competitors to the PC platform, and I think while the Amiga has a reputation for being used more for art programs it STILL has a dedicated, slightly scary fan community.

Games for the Commodore 64 kept selling well into the 90s, when the hardware was going on 10 years old. Looking at the IBM PC of that time, it's no small wonder the PC was the perpetual loser, as it was 3-4 time more expensive and had CGA graphics (4 colors!) and very rudimentary beeping sounds. So many good games were made for the C64 first, then ported to the PC (or never even ported at all).

The Amiga was a pretty mainstream thing in Europe from 1988 to say 1995 or so, but I gather that the U.S. community was smaller. The PC overtook Amiga in terms of audio and visuals in the 90s, with super VGA and soundblaster cards, but it was still more expensive. The European demo scene probably makes up most of the small remnant of Amiga users still out there, which explains why its users have slightly unusual tastes.
(Amiga OS is still available for purchase and [url="http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php/where-to-buy/direct-downloads/188-amigaos-314"=a new version was recently released[/url]...)
I guess American kids all got Nintendos for Christmas and forgot all about PC gaming until Doom came out...

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

It's funny how after the success of the MSX MS has been loving up in the Japanese market for decades.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

SelenicMartian posted:

It's funny how after the success of the MSX MS has been loving up in the Japanese market for decades.

It's because it looked super cool and when William Gibson was writing Neuromancer, the decks used by hackers are just high-tech MSX systems with VR.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Hippie Hedgehog posted:

I guess American kids all got Nintendos for Christmas and forgot all about PC gaming until Doom came out...

Bingo. Far as I remember the NES didn't just come out, it happened. And if it didn't, Super Mario Bros 3 sure as hell did.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Apparently, there was just recently a listing for Agony Uncensored.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Thuryl posted:

It's also by ebi-hime, who mostly has a history of making things that aren't weird porn. Here's an interview where she talks about it:


So you cannot in fact date your grandmother in the game, but the original idea was inspired by games where you can. That's something, I guess.

I get most of my writing ideas trying to take the piss out of weird anime poo poo too

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The Commodore 64 at least if Game Dev Tycoon is any indication was one of the major competitors to the PC platform,
This:

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Looking at the IBM PC of that time, it's no small wonder the PC was the perpetual loser, as it was 3-4 time more expensive and had CGA graphics (4 colors!) and very rudimentary beeping sounds.
is right on the button. The IBM PC was not a competitive home system for games in the early 80s, during the heyday of the C64. Game Dev Tycoon probably makes it more prominent for gameplay reasons and not historical accuracy. In the early 80s it was a business system that was 3x more expensive & was terrible for games, the people buying them for use at home were dads who bought the same thing their job had given them at work.

(My dad had an 8088 IBM PC with CGA graphics for exactly this reason. Also, CGA could do 16 colors. In text mode!)


The IBM PC won over all the commodores and amigas and apples because IBM was a 500lb gorilla who knew how to sell stuff to businesses, because the architecture had open standards that created more secondary market for expansion hardware, and because in the late 80s the PC clones price-competed their way to dominance. Games are not on the list of reasons the 8086+DOS PC won the 80s. Games do have relevance to the Apple vs PC battle in the 90s.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!
True dat. In the mid to late 80's, the C64 blew the doors off PCs despite costing a fraction.

And yeah, some fan communities have a scary longevity. Remember the Gold Box games from SSI? They released a game maker for it in '93, Forgotten Realms Unlimited Adventures. It still has an active fanbase today.

http://frua.rosedragon.org/index.htm

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

Klyith posted:

The IBM PC won over all the commodores and amigas and apples because IBM was a 500lb gorilla who knew how to sell stuff to businesses, because the architecture had open standards that created more secondary market for expansion hardware, and because in the late 80s the PC clones price-competed their way to dominance. Games are not on the list of reasons the 8086+DOS PC won the 80s. Games do have relevance to the Apple vs PC battle in the 90s.

All of the above, plus Commodore made some absolutely horrendously bad business decisions. The level of mismanagement Jack Tramiel put that company through borders on the criminal (and indeed, they were often sued by disgruntled business partners). For example, they failed to follow up on the success of the C64 with a next generation machine, instead resting on their laurels at the bottom price bracket of the market. They then bought up Amiga Inc almost as an afterthought, and promptly failed to properly market the Amiga 1000, making it a proper flop when it came out. It took until the Amiga 500 before their marketing department figured out what they were selling.

There is much written about the incompetence and aggressive business practices of Jack Tramiel, for example I highly recommend this blog on gaming history:
C64 Part 1:
https://www.filfre.net/2012/12/the-commodore-64/
Part 2:
https://www.filfre.net/2012/12/business-is-war/
On the origins of the Amiga:
https://www.filfre.net/2015/03/the-68000-wars-part-1-lorraine/

AG3
Feb 4, 2004

Ask me about spending hundreds of dollars on Mass Effect 2 emoticons and Avatars.

Oven Wrangler
My dad had a VHS tape that was just an advertisement tape for the Commodore Amiga 500. I used to watch that every so often because it was just so cool to 7 year old me, and seemed a lot more advanced than our Commodore 128 (that we pretty much used just in C64 mode for games).

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





AG3 posted:

My dad had a VHS tape that was just an advertisement tape for the Commodore Amiga 500. I used to watch that every so often because it was just so cool to 7 year old me, and seemed a lot more advanced than our Commodore 128 (that we pretty much used just in C64 mode for games).

was it the bouncing red-white ball for 5 minutes?

AG3
Feb 4, 2004

Ask me about spending hundreds of dollars on Mass Effect 2 emoticons and Avatars.

Oven Wrangler

mike12345 posted:

was it the bouncing red-white ball for 5 minutes?

Nope. I actually found it on youtube just now, seems it was a thing in other countries too. It's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNVslAjvjMw

Except it was dubbed in Norwegian, of course.

*Edit*

I have to say, the Norwegian dub was better :v: At least as far as I can remember.

*Edit 2*

Wow, this really was the poo poo when I was 6-7 years old. Shame I only had the VHS tape and not an actual Amiga though :v:

AG3 fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Oct 17, 2018

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Haydee 2: Now With Face

https://steamcommunity.com/games/530890/

The MSJ fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Oct 18, 2018

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Humanizing the protagonist isn't going to click with the core audience

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






That's not the part people wanted uncovered

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

The save system is probably going to be garbage again.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
Someone made a bowsette mod for haydee lol

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Oh, so that's where that weird robot porn I see occasionally comes from. Yeah, some people are gonna be a little annoyed that she's got a human head.

Dareon fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Oct 18, 2018

OutOfPrint
Apr 9, 2009

Fun Shoe
"Hey, this looks like it could be fun. The game play looks cool, the animations are...oh. OH. Never mind, then!"

:nws:https://store.steampowered.com/app/947600/Eroico/:nws:

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

OutOfPrint posted:

"Hey, this looks like it could be fun. The game play looks cool, the animations are...oh. OH. Never mind, then!"

:nws:https://store.steampowered.com/app/947600/Eroico/:nws:

Even with the content warning and the sexualized female character designs, that's still... uh... quite the twist the trailer takes at the halfway mark :stare:

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Oh those types of games are on steam now. I think that was quicker than I expected?

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

OutOfPrint posted:

"Hey, this looks like it could be fun. The game play looks cool, the animations are...oh. OH. Never mind, then!"

:nws:https://store.steampowered.com/app/947600/Eroico/:nws:

"Hey that doesn't look so bad, you can just skip the cutsc-Oh" :stare:

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

OutOfPrint posted:

"Hey, this looks like it could be fun. The game play looks cool, the animations are...oh. OH. Never mind, then!"

:nws:https://store.steampowered.com/app/947600/Eroico/:nws:

At least the description is upfront, and apparently you can disable the animations entirely. Dunno, looks like an actually fun game if you can turn off the sex.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
How long til that mega man clone succubus game gets on steam

Jamfrost
Jul 20, 2013

I'm too busy thinkin' about my baby. Oh I ain't got time for nothin' else.
Slime TrainerS
Alright, sure. I'll add Eroico to the wishlist. Of the five hours I've spent playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider, most (90%+) of that has been exploring. I'm assuming the slaughterhouse is soon approaching.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

OutOfPrint posted:

"Hey, this looks like it could be fun. The game play looks cool, the animations are...oh. OH. Never mind, then!"

:nws:https://store.steampowered.com/app/947600/Eroico/:nws:

i love how steam is requiring you to login to see that page.

FirstAidKite posted:

How long til that mega man clone succubus game gets on steam

are you talking about rozensomethingsomthing? that’s already on steam but it’s not porn.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

i love how steam is requiring you to login to see that page.

I mean, of course it does. Even logged in you have to opt-in to see Sexual Content tagged games, even by Valve standards it'd be a whole another level of incompetency if the filter was off by default and you'd specifically have to log in first to block that content.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011

Kanfy posted:

I mean, of course it does. Even logged in you have to opt-in to see Sexual Content tagged games, even by Valve standards it'd be a whole another level of incompetency if the filter was off by default and you'd specifically have to log in first to block that content.

Yes but it prevents me from checking it out in incognito mode to avoid putting it on my viewing history and tainting my already horrible game suggestions from Steam.

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SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Sex-based mortality system.

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