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Ayn Randi
Mar 12, 2009


Grimey Drawer
moth cultists are ascending to butt their heads into the glory like a giant cosmic porch lamp

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Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Moth is about chaos and yearning that is inherently self destructive. However, that destruction isn't necessarily final (that seems the purview of Winter) but transformative. The whole Moth ascension seems like it will be about shedding your skin over and over to become something new each time until you finally just CHIM out of your mortal form.

Im still super interested in how the Moth "consumed the Wheel" from the inside and took its skin. We know it's a God-From-Blood, perhaps the first, but what sacrifice done by humans (presumably) did that, and what was the purpose?

Promethium
Dec 31, 2009
Dinosaur Gum
Aha, managed to get my first victory (enlightenment ascension with Mirror of Glory, finished off by sacrificing the "Pope") just before the update. I totally didn't murder half my pawns for no good reason after miscounting the power requirements. All in all it was good fun over the weekend although I felt that vaults were too easy and random city tasks were too hard, or at least too punishing on unavoidable failures. On the winning run I never sent any named cultists on non-vault tasks.

After some tinkering I found this table layout fairly usable: Autocollection pops cards out in the empty upper-right, extra verbs pop out on the left margin, with some extra slots near the day timer since it often leads to two or three in sequence. (Spoilered just in case, since it shows a lot of the NPCs and lores.)

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

SOON

v2018.11.a.1: 'Augur'
- Stability improvements
- infrastructure work to support localisation

v2018.10.i.1: 'Janus'
- Visions and Despair now give a visible and audible warning when they reach 2 F or D
- Guises in Dancer now give a small advantage on the relevant expedition
- Guises are mutually unique
- Passion and Reason textbooks now work with the Lessons Learnt system

v2018.10.h.1: 'Hope'
- When a detective defeats an independent troublemaker, a new troublemaker will appear. The struggle is real.
- Detectives will have more temptations to resist if they burn the first file.
- When Disciples or Exalted followers rebel, they become more powerful Rivals/Long in the making immediately.
- Dammit Fraser stay in the credits
- Tristan ending image shows up
- Laidlaw romance not intermittently in second person
- Cheevos now trigger correctly for exalts, and also won't try to trigger more than once per card
- Elridge doesn't lose his lust: power when promoted to an Assassin
- Jealousy only triggers when romantic interest exists

v2018.10.g.1: 'Gravitas'
- Fleeting Memories can be used again to address Fascination (not sure when that broke)
- Defeating Fascination gives Lantern influence, defeating Despair gives Winter influence
- round-up of bug fixes and typos/contumps
- The tiniest of surprises

v2018.9.e.1
- Followers may receive Gifts
- Aspirant is now the default legacy again
- Restlessness now also has Heart value. What does not cease, is not ceased.
- Aspirant is now a little more generous with your starting payment
- Aspirant Study verb now unlocks correctly, again
- Two distinct restart bugs fixed. Restart should now behave better.
- lots of WIP for romance and Dancer that shouldn't be visible, but may cause accidental bugs or save issues: let me know if so

v2018.9.d.3
- A very limited preview version of the Dancer legacy (one victory, no ascensions, some other features missing) is available to everyone. Honestly I just wanted to get this patch live and didn't want to fiddle around with DLC. It'll be limited to Perpetual Edition owners / new DLC purchasers next time.
- The Season of Sickness will now also accept Fatigued Health, making Sickness a bit less menacing
- Fatigue now has Heart value, and Restlessness now also has Moth value (I don't really know why it ever didn't)
- Glimmering, Vitality and Erudition spawn more frequently.
- Cult Business and Expedition challenges can no longer have a 100% chance of success - max is 90%. Don't panic! See Wounds notes from 2018.7.d.1

v2018.9.c.2
- A Sanskrit tutor is available.
- Vitality, Erudition and Glimmering are now Influences, and may be sometimes be gained through Augury.
- Health skill can't be used to produce Health infinitely - it tops out
- Health skill can now be specialised as Strength or Grace
- Vitality, Erudition and Glimmering now have Heart, Lantern and Moth aspects.
- It's now possible to attack Hunters directly.
- If you attack a Hunter directly and fail, they won't give you a second chance.

v2018.7.g.2
- fixed a nasty double-click issue where cards could disappear en route to a slot if the slot disappeared

v2018.7.g.1
- abating visions now gives Lantern Influence, not Fleeting Memory

v2018.7.f.1
- fixes for issues with saving and loading. Hit us up at support@weatherfactory.biz if you come across any more save/load issues!
- fixes for double-click assign issues.
- double-click animation is now much faster.
- fixed an issue where the game would forget where a stack started
- double-clicking now opens-closes info panel, so you don't have to wait another half-second on single-click
- Augury cult business displays text on failure again
- vsync enabled on Basic graphics level again - this may help address issues with Mac notebooks inexplicably overheating
- [earlier hotfix] Founding Cults with Health is no longer an endless pit of consuming pain with a game-breaking bug

v2018.7.e.1
- Fleeting Memory cures Fascination! \o/
- Early Night will occasionally create Fascination or Dread :(
- Health, Reason and Passion still count as Ingredients, but using them with Rites or when recruiting/upgrading will convert them to their fatigued versions, instead of using them up.
- Injury still counts as an ingredient. Using it with a Rite or recruitment converts it to a Knock-Scar. (which still has placeholder art, don't panic)

v2018.7.d.1
- Followers who become casualties in Expeditions or Cult Business are now Wounded instead of dying outright
- Wounded Followers can still die if you don't heal them sharpish
- Healed Followers gain Scars which can increase some Aspects
- Three Scars of the same type will kill a Follower anyway
- on the upside, their corpse retains the extra aspects
- ALL THIS IS SUBJECT TO BALANCE AND REVISION AND WHATNOT

v2018.7.b.3
- Fixed a raft of horrible OSX issues

v2018.7.b.2
- bug fixes for double-click and save file issues
- preparatory loc work - don't panic if fonts look a bit different

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
It's noon, people, hit the drat button :argh:

oh, I was off by an hour, oh well

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Oct 16, 2018

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

It's here

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
looks like they changed stat skillups

edit: hello weary detective, thank you for showing up first

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Oct 16, 2018

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



So is the dancer job a background, or just something you have to find?

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

GreyjoyBastard posted:

looks like they changed stat skillups

Kinda-sorta. You’re still using Glimmerings etc in the same quantities but now you have to process them into slightly-more-durable Lessons. Makes upgrading more time consuming and heavier on the study verb but maybe slightly easier to get to higher levels?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

So is the dancer job a background, or just something you have to find?

You can find it, although it's also a background sometimes.

You need a particular patron who can introduce you to the manager of the Ecdysis Club.

I've started dancing and it owns.

Autonomous Monster posted:

Kinda-sorta. You’re still using Glimmerings etc in the same quantities but now you have to process them into slightly-more-durable Lessons. Makes upgrading more time consuming and heavier on the study verb but maybe slightly easier to get to higher levels?

There's also a stat cap now, and poetry/essays are garbage that you should use for the "Something Else" upgrade level to save some time

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Oct 16, 2018

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

GreyjoyBastard posted:

There's also a stat cap now, and poetry/essays are garbage that you should use immediately to save some time

Ah. Pity I’ve not drawn Morland’s yet.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



How do I get the Moth ascension card? With the original 3 you just put Reason/Passion/Funds while dreaming of your ascension, so what do you use for this?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Yorkshire Pudding posted:

How do I get the Moth ascension card? With the original 3 you just put Reason/Passion/Funds while dreaming of your ascension, so what do you use for this?

Meet the new patron in the Ecdysis Club, after getting her the normal patrons way, and talk to her about your temptation.

I'm, uh, unsure how to start Heart.

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Oct 16, 2018

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Does the latest Perpetual Edition installer include The Dancer, or is that installed separately?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Rand Brittain posted:

Does the latest Perpetual Edition installer include The Dancer, or is that installed separately?

I've got Perpetual and it auto-updated for me.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Minor dancer spoilers: I gave Sulochana a secret history in the hopes she would direct me to some strange new location I’ve never been before. She gave me back a Kerisham.

Lady, I can turn histories into Kerishams my own drat self. I have looted that place down to the bedrock.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



When working at the club, what can I put in the ability or scar slot? I don't have any scars, but what are abilities?

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

When working at the club, what can I put in the ability or scar slot? I don't have any scars, but what are abilities?

Stats. If you don't know what a slot is asking for, click on it. Any card that can fit in that slot will glow briefly.

Also, the popup will tell you what the relevant aspects are (though you'd have to go check your cards to see if they have matching aspects, that way).

e: oh, and skills

KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Oct 16, 2018

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




A thoughtfully provided Guide for Beginners on the Road to the Mansus.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

Do I stay on the beta branch or go for regular? I noticed when I switched to the regular version for this update I don’t do lessons anymore and it’s just straight 4 erudition for an upgrade.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
okay i am not stoked about the 10% failure chance thing

rip tristan, eaten by the Worms in the World

The Bramble
Mar 16, 2004

How do i make a follower repair a mirror now? Since the patch it gifts it to them instead...

edit: nevermind, the graphic for the Wildering Mirror is apparently identical to the icon for the Cracked version

The Bramble fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Oct 17, 2018

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
I danced a lot for a dude and now he's sending marriage proposals. Does taking him up on it end the game or can you keep doing your cultisting going on the side with the benefit of a peerage?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

The Bramble posted:

How do i make a follower repair a mirror now? Since the patch it gifts it to them instead...

Lol. Give the job to someone you're not banging, I guess.

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Oct 17, 2018

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?
So what kind of lore do I need in order to pick between strength and grace for my physical skill?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I was originally planning on waiting until the second big update to get into this again, but after jumping into a Paradox game after multiple DLCs and feeling like I had no idea how to play anymore, I think this might also be the kind of game where it's a good idea to take in new content in manageable bites so I'm not just totally lost. Time to dance.

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy

Caidin posted:

I danced a lot for a dude and now he's sending marriage proposals. Does taking him up on it end the game or can you keep doing your cultisting going on the side with the benefit of a peerage?

It ends the game.

My question regarding the dancer is, how do you keep working as a dancer if you spurn a marriage proposal? I'm unsure how to get a job at the club.

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011

Ragnar34 posted:

It ends the game.

My question regarding the dancer is, how do you keep working as a dancer if you spurn a marriage proposal? I'm unsure how to get a job at the club.

To get a job at that club, you need to meet Sulochana Amavasya, the owner of the Ecdysis by dancing at the Gaiety theater. After that and you've unlocked the Ecdysis club location by wandering around or whatever you can go there and talk to her by putting her in the slot. This gets your occult dancing started proper.

Ephemeron posted:

So what kind of lore do I need in order to pick between strength and grace for my physical skill?

There seem to be several lores that qualify for that trait or the other, Moth will do for grace.

Caidin fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Oct 17, 2018

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
I was dating Ysabet and she turned into a rival. :mad:

Now I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to de-rival her.

edit: lol I think I know why she did it

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Oct 17, 2018

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
Edit: Nevermind, I was wrong.

Caidin fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 17, 2018

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I was dating Ysabet and she turned into a rival. :mad:

Now I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to de-rival her.

edit: lol I think I know why she did it

forget your name, forget your skin

Ayn Randi
Mar 12, 2009


Grimey Drawer
Doing the things an Ysabet does

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Anyone found Heart desire?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Anyone found Heart desire?

I have a suspicion I might know how to do it, and it'll be my next game.

(Moth) Endgame spoilers: Because Ysabet beat me to the Moth win and I'm real mad. :mad: I couldn't figure out how to trigger the Moth ascension - the way things work out I think I needed that dumb 20% influence behind the Spider Door, because it's not a traditional "get 6-7 marks, do the rite, blammo". I was still rerolling for it when she ascended and I got the Lionsmith Bad End.

If there's a way to upgrade your Scars, I haven't found it yet.

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Oct 17, 2018

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Hmm.

So far no luck on my first theory, and I'm not sure there's any Heart Influence cards in the game.

Still working on my first and third theory. And if there's no way to change scars, then :gonk: that'd be a horrid design decision.

Edit: okay, first theory ruled out

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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the dancer update is pulling me back in and i'm excited to gently caress up all over again in the pursuit of dreams i shouldn't have

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
I'm totally buying this for my weekend entertainment

megane
Jun 20, 2008



Follow your dreams, and your dreams will also follow you.

pedro0930
Oct 15, 2012
Anyone know what kind of ending will give lead to dancer's legacy?

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Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

pedro0930 posted:

Anyone know what kind of ending will give lead to dancer's legacy?

Dedicate yourself to your job at Glover and Glover and get the minor victory.

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