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Shifty Nipples posted:I'm on antidepressants, I've done therapy but I'm still massively depressed. Not suicidal though so I guess that counts for something. Is there a thread for wallowing in existential dread? I suggest daily bike rides (maybe even commuting). I tried the drugs decades ago and had a nasty reaction (super elevated BP). Daily rides keep me somewhat centered.
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VideoGameVet posted:I suggest daily bike rides (maybe even commuting). I tried the drugs decades ago and had a nasty reaction (super elevated BP). Daily rides keep me somewhat centered. For whatever reason I always feel like I need a destination when I ride my bike, it feels weird to just ride around. But you're right I should ride more.
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amazing how americans always manage to make it about themselves and their feelings, how sad they are about the awful things they're doing just like with the vietnam/iraq war movies
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StabbinHobo posted:amazing how americans always manage to make it about themselves and their feelings, how sad they are about the awful things they're doing Sorry I have too much empathy.
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Oct 16, 2018 18:57
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poo poo is going to hell much faster than expected. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/10/09/1722477115 This study is indicating a massive drop off in insect populations worldwide. Both Germany and Puerto Rico have recorded big declines in areas that are nature reserves.
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Oct 16, 2018 19:26
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StabbinHobo posted:amazing how americans always manage to make it about themselves and their feelings, how sad they are about the awful things they're doing Yeah only Americans feel sad about a massive existential problem that they have little to no personal control over. What selfish assholes.
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Some of yall need to relax a little. Heres some good news for once https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gvyn9b/marijuana-will-thrive-in-the-climate-apocalypse
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Oct 16, 2018 20:08
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Shifty Nipples posted:For whatever reason I always feel like I need a destination when I ride my bike, it feels weird to just ride around. But you're right I should ride more. I'm without any car from Monday to Friday (in LA) so it's bike to work/shopping/dinner etc.
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DrNutt posted:Yeah only Americans feel sad about a massive existential problem that they have little to no personal control over. What selfish assholes. Hence the biking suggestion. At least by cycling to work, I'm doing something. And yeah, not eating meat helps both problems too.
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DrNutt posted:Yeah only Americans feel sad about a massive existential problem that they have little to no personal control over. What selfish assholes. this is the new denial, the lie that the traitors will repeat over and over you can reduce your footprint by half with simple common lifestyle changes. the *other* half will have to come from systemic change. every ton matters
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Talking and reading about radical philosophy with people was no joke the final piece to solving my depression about a future marked by uncontrollable bad things happening in society. A little dose of nihilist-aligned rejections of set meaning or aims to life and embracement of finding personal fulfillment in unorthodox places (such as failed attempts to achieve an uncertain goal, which is really counterintuitive to a neurotic personality), and a big dose of communist-aligned practical theory of how people might get together and build both the theoretical understanding and practical power to do something about a global, degenerate system in terrible conflict with with real needs and capabilities, and have succeeded too, to various not totally satisfactory extents using various alternative strategies, but succeeded nonetheless. Did the pills and therapy too, which certainly helped in a lot of ways, but if those alone somehow did it, the conclusive effect was delayed by years, and i had neither when it hit. Finding something to counter persistent notions of a preset good life rendered unachievable, and confusion, powerlessness and isolation as insurmountable rather than solvable problems seems to have been very helpful, and tangible, therapy-like effects started happening basically immediately. StabbinHobo posted:this is the new denial, the lie that the traitors will repeat over and over Every ton matters indeed, but clearly what really gets people to understand and appreciate the powers they have is insulting them for not being as woke as you. That sort of black-and-white moralism is a sign of sects that want to feel superior to outsiders and blame them for the inevitable failure of their group to change anything, not broad movements that manage to build the momentum to get stuff done. Besides, the first thing you have to do before your strategy of voluntarist consumption-cutting can really achieve anything significant even if it were a popular movement is to either decouple carbon emissions from GDP or make countries stop targeting GDP growth as their core metric of success. Otherwise the system will treat any significant success of your movement (forget about "half", more like 5%) as an economic recession and do its utmost to undo it by having someone else consume your share too. uncop fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Joe the Strummer posted:Some of yall need to relax a little. This is god helping in mysterious ways by saying "yeah you shits have hosed it all up with your greed and selfishness, but at the very least you idiots can die high af to numb the suffering a bit. Good luck shitheads"
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StabbinHobo posted:this is the new denial, the lie that the traitors will repeat over and over Try like 95 percent needs to come from systemic changes. Individual account actions don't do poo poo except make those privileged enough to make them feel better about themselves.
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I eat complex carbohydrates in bulk and never use the toilet so that I'm a walking carbon sequestration system. When I die, SpaceX will shoot my body into orbit using a green-fuel rocket, where I will block out the sun for decades to come. Be the change you want to see.
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Ras Het posted:Nothing has ever been achieved by example Yeah I feel like the example method is doing great! For instance I started driving an electric vehicle and it pissed my denier dad off SO much that he modified his truck for rolling coal.
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StabbinHobo posted:this is the new denial, the lie that the traitors will repeat over and over Lament the selfishness of Americans, then in the next post tout the personal responsibility argument, lol It's complete bullshit. Massive, forced, governmental policy changes is the only thing that will actually matter. It's not a matter of making the right bootstrap choices in consumption on an individual level anymore, we've been past that point for decades. Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Mann tweeted this out yesterday btw, the latest in a string of "The IPCC report was optimistic" posts he's been making lately. Considering he's been one of the most prominent doomsayer scolds in past years, yeah poo poo's real bad https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1051871585760624642?s=20
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Lament the selfishness of Americans, then in the next post tout the personal responsibility argument, lol Yes. Even though I advocate personal action ... mainly because it benefits the person doing it ... we need massive WWII levels of mobilization and regulations to have a shot at living through this.
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uncop posted:Every ton matters indeed, but clearly what really gets people to understand and appreciate the powers they have is insulting them DrNutt posted:Try like 95 percent needs to come from systemic changes. Individual account actions don't do poo poo except make those privileged enough to make them feel better about themselves. Happy_Misanthrope posted:Lament the selfishness of Americans, then in the next post tout the personal responsibility argument, lol
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Joe the Strummer posted:Some of yall need to relax a little. "Oh man, I need to go out raiding for supplies but I am sooooo baked right now."
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What can a person do to reduce their foot print by half? Realistically how many people can make the choice do actually loving do those things? I tend to agree with the notion that individual footprint reduction is privileged rich liberal wankology so that they can feel good about themselves while they consume more than most poor people do already simply because poor people can't buy a new iphone/car/computer/whatever every year.
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StabbinHobo posted:this is categorically false, gently caress you for literally going out of your way to be counterproductive with dumb lies (presumably you're mostly lying to yourself but it doesnt matter). Lol nope. I've already done the single biggest thing I could ever hope to accomplish for the good of the planet by committing to nothaving children. The beef industry will not be halted by my personal decision to not eat burgers, we'd pretty much need martial law in this country to do anything about that. You really thunk you can set an example for others in a stupid loving country that elected Donald Trump president?
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Doorknob Slobber posted:What can a person do to reduce their foot print by half? Realistically how many people can make the choice do actually loving do those things? I tend to agree with the notion that individual footprint reduction is privileged rich liberal wankology so that they can feel good about themselves while they consume more than most poor people do already simply because poor people can't buy a new iphone/car/computer/whatever every year. Vote and canvas for people that will make systemic changes. By educating yourself and changing your lifestyle you'll also get a better idea of what the policy behind those important systemic changes should look like.
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Wakko posted:Now that the IPCC is starting to talk frankly, it seems like there's a flood of mainstream reporting on what the reality of the end of this century looks like. The bulletin of atomic scientists published a piece calling the latest report optimistic, and now we're seeing large publications starting to get down to brass tacks. I can't imagine seeing this in the news a year ago: The solution doesn't seem like or sound like communism. It's literally just communism.
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DrNutt posted:Lol nope. I've already done the single biggest thing I could ever hope to accomplish for the good of the planet by committing to nothaving children. The beef industry will not be halted by my personal decision to not eat burgers, we'd pretty much need martial law in this country to do anything about that. You really thunk you can set an example for others in a stupid loving country that elected Donald Trump president? What a mad little crybaby
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Vote and canvas for people that will make systemic changes. By educating yourself and changing your lifestyle you'll also get a better idea of what the policy behind those important systemic changes should look like. Sure so long as those people aren't part of a capitalist party I have been and will continue to be active in politics. Realistically lifestyle changes are a privilege of those who have the money to buy an electric vehicle or live in an area with reasonable public transportation or be able to afford food that isn't just whatever is cheapest at the store today, etc.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:What can a person do to reduce their foot print by half? Realistically how many people can make the choice do actually loving do those things? I tend to agree with the notion that individual footprint reduction is privileged rich liberal wankology so that they can feel good about themselves while they consume more than most poor people do already simply because poor people can't buy a new iphone/car/computer/whatever every year. Well, replacing a job that required flying 20+ round trips from San Diego to Baltimore in a year with one that means taking an Amtrak train from north San Diego County to Los Angeles on Monday (back on Friday) and using a bicycle for all transport during the week MAY have lowered my CO2 foot-print a mite.
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VideoGameVet posted:Well, replacing a job that required flying 20+ round trips from San Diego to Baltimore in a year with one that means taking an Amtrak train from north San Diego County to Los Angeles on Monday (back on Friday) and using a bicycle for all transport during the week MAY have lowered my CO2 foot-print a mite. Realistically speaking wouldn't they just hire someone else who is doing the 20+ round trips on a flight? Did reducing your own individual footprint do a thing that actually made an impact on climate change?
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Doorknob Slobber posted:What can a person do to reduce their foot print by half? Realistically how many people can make the choice do actually loving do those things? quote:I tend to agree with the notion that individual footprint reduction is privileged rich liberal wankology so that they can feel good about themselves while they consume more than most poor people do already simply because poor people can't buy a new iphone/car/computer/whatever every year. what you can do has been posted a million times, for you to even be asking at this stage is proof itself. DrNutt posted:Lol nope. I've already done the single biggest thing I could ever hope to accomplish for the good of the planet by committing to nothaving children. quote:The beef industry will not be halted by my personal decision to not eat burgers you are missing the point about how simple a problem this is. you don't have to stop eating beef, but if you ate half as much beef as you did last year, assuming you're an average american, you could save about a ton of carbon. you chose where that ton goes. you don't have to quit or renounce or radically alter anything, you just have to not wallow in excuses and stupid splitting arguments.
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there has never been a more perfectly fungible situation than the atmosphere every ton matters v No i'm not going to read the thread or do your googling for you you lazy entitled baby StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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StabbinHobo posted:of course you do, its the perfect excuse to justify your inaction. Please post your list of things every single individual on earth can do to reduce their own footprint by half. I genuinely want to see your specific list since you're putting out specific numbers. The only thing I can think of that absolutely everyone can do is have less/no kids, but every person in real life I've ever met who has suggested that solution has had children of their own already or five years later has like three kids so I feel like that is also the dumbest most unrealistic suggestion ever. If there is one thing that is certain besides climate change killing us all its that humans are going to keep loving right until it does.
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https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1052218646272122880 https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1052219694701338624
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Doorknob Slobber posted:What can a person do to reduce their foot print by half? Realistically how many people can make the choice do actually loving do those things? I tend to agree with the notion that individual footprint reduction is privileged rich liberal wankology so that they can feel good about themselves while they consume more than most poor people do already simply because poor people can't buy a new iphone/car/computer/whatever every year. Literally the best thing that individuals could do is get involved in local politics to attempt incremental changes. Here are some issues that would help, even if they seem silly: - Paint roofs white, mandated by local ordinance. - Solar power promotion. - Wind power promotion. - Advocate for women's rights. - Promote family planning. - Recycling aluminum and some other things. Your footprint probably doesn't matter compared to things like that. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Sure so long as those people aren't part of a capitalist party I have been and will continue to be active in politics. Realistically lifestyle changes are a privilege of those who have the money to buy an electric vehicle or live in an area with reasonable public transportation or be able to afford food that isn't just whatever is cheapest at the store today, etc. If you just want to make excuses for yourself you can talk to a mirror instead of wasting time in this thread
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:If you just want to make excuses for yourself you can talk to a mirror instead of wasting time in this thread Nah dude above you is right. Pretty much EVERYTHING is more important than your own individual footprint. The individual footprint wank is the mirror you talk to instead of wasting time in the thread.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Nah dude above you is right. Pretty much EVERYTHING is more important than your own individual footprint. The individual footprint wank is the mirror you talk to instead of wasting time in the thread. The first thing on my list you started crying about was to go vote and canvas for politicians that can effect change. Alas they are all too capitalist for you so nothing can be done but impotent whining in this thread.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:The first thing on my list you started crying about was to go vote and canvas for politicians that can effect change. Alas they are all too capitalist for you so nothing can be done but impotent whining in this thread. Name a time a democrat or republican fixed climate change instead of making it worse and I'll name a time I'll vote for one. Implying or claiming that voting in democrats or recycling or individual poo poo is going to fix climate change is pretty loving stupid considering none of that poo poo has worked in the past ~40 years but maybe if we keep on voting democrats and telling people to stop having children it will finally work in the next 12 years. Yup, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is my game plan. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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I just got home from a long weekend vacation to western europe (you can get some killer ticket deals these days!), and I'm going to Mexico in a few weeks, so thank you Stabbin Hobo and friends for riding bikes, ditching beef, and generally namaste-ing it up to offset my flights.  I'll 100% vote for a government that, like, forbids international air travel on pain of death or makes beef eating illegal, but until that day I'm gonna enjoy what's left of this world because your individual carbon cutting means jack. poo poo.
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