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Is there something controversial about Mr. Hanky himself? Are talking sentient feces controversial now?
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Oct 13, 2018 14:56
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Is there something controversial about Mr. Hanky himself? Are talking sentient feces controversial now? No, the point was it was a fall from grace for an otherwise beloved figure. But there was definitely a hint of, "But, really, they were poo poo all along."
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Oct 13, 2018 16:26
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Are talking sentient feces controversial now? This feels like a setup for a burn on [hated person]. But I'll just call this out, without actually doing it, thereby ruining it.
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Oct 13, 2018 16:27
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cant cook creole bream posted:This feels like a setup for a burn on [hated person]. I think they already did that joke with Bono.
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Oct 13, 2018 16:37
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So when was the point where South Park started to suck? I'd say it would be around the time they introduced PC Principal
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Oct 14, 2018 23:17
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Yep. Season 19 isn't bad at all. It's not a great season but that's where it started. Things got completely screwed up in 20 and it hasn't recovered.
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Oct 15, 2018 03:50
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Woof, not a great episode.
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Oct 15, 2018 05:48
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KennyMan666 posted:And if you didn't find the Cumboni funny you're a fundamentally broken person. It made bloop-bloop sounds. I clapped!
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Oct 15, 2018 09:40
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I feel South Park has been pretty consistent through out the whole run, especially how it has grown and matured with the times, which is a credit to it. There's very few episodes I would actually consider 'bad', rather than just ok or middling. I think this Mr Hankey one was one of them. However I honestly have felt the show started to show cracks when they decided to double down on the - 'six days to air' concept. When it works, it's amazing and hilarious when they are able to intertwine current events into the show. But more often than not it feels forced and the episode feels rushed in terms of dialogue resolutions, jokes and plots. I honestly did not like many of the multi episode stories when they started as it felt like it was a crutch from them running out of time to refine the story to fit 20 minutes. The season long story felt like the culmination of that. But Matt, Trey and the writers are so drat funny that they can still make a decent show despite of it. I've been playing The Fractured But Whole, and it's amazing all the little side jokes, animation and dialogue touches that showcase South Park at it's best when it has the time to be polished.
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Oct 15, 2018 11:02
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Is the running joke this season that this show is not funny anymore and should be cancelled? So far the season has been so unfunny I can't tell, is this that anti humor I've been hearing about? So far it's a bunch of repeated plotlines and characters except not funny this time.
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Oct 15, 2018 11:40
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I think Matt and Trey's usual method of political satire really doesn't work in the post-escalator era.
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Oct 15, 2018 15:38
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I watched Grounded Vindaloop last night. What a great episode. The next one was Cock Magic and then...blarearrgh.
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Oct 15, 2018 15:57
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I am confused to what there message is. Did Mr. Hankey deserve to be run out of town for being Rosanne, or was he kicked out only to placate the PC babies?
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Oct 15, 2018 21:28
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Kung Food posted:I am confused to what there message is. Did Mr. Hankey deserve to be run out of town for being Rosanne, or was he kicked out only to placate the PC babies? Any side you look at in the episode has a critical flaw that is answered in the what makes up the highlights of the other sides. So PC Principal and Strong Woman look pretty awful when they decide to deny the kids a family environment when there is no logical reason to do so. If they could take some things at face value rather than a micro aggression or travesty they wouldn't feel trapped. At the same time if Mr. Hankey could take responsibility for being lovely, something PC culture values, he probably wouldn't have ended up an exile. Kyle is the critique of blind loyalty to friends, while Stan, Kenny and Cartman represent fair weather friends. Kyle didn't do anything wrong himself but didn't stand up for him after literally being smeared with poo poo. True his friends did warn him, even still everyone has had a friend that couldn't take good advice at one point or another. We don't go gulaging them. If you wanted an Aesop moral to the story its learn to have some empathy. On a more interesting note a lot of people from different political spectrum thought the episode supported them. Including the guy that wrote the piece "The Problem with Apu" who is too loving stupid to realize when he is being satirized. Don't worry the Simpsons writing staff also thought South Park came to their defense.
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Oct 16, 2018 00:10
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It's hard to tell what the point of PC Principal even is at this point. Like ostensibly the joke is that he's only PC so he can smash puss but like... in all the episodes now he just acts like an actual Decent Human Being with a funny voice who sometimes goes too far with being PC. Like there's just no joke there and it's like why is this even happening? South Park season 22: why is this even happening
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Oct 16, 2018 02:04
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think Matt and Trey's usual method of political satire really doesn't work in the post-escalator era. tbh i dunno what humor is anymore
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Oct 16, 2018 02:41
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One problem with pc principal is he doesn't fit the role. Victoria seemed like an elementary school principal. Pc principal is a throwaway joke that should have been gone by now.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:54
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precision posted:It's hard to tell what the point of PC Principal even is at this point. Like ostensibly the joke is that he's only PC so he can smash puss but like... in all the episodes now he just acts like an actual Decent Human Being with a funny voice who sometimes goes too far with being PC. Like there's just no joke there and it's like why is this even happening? That was never the Joke with PC Principal. He was always just super PC. His PC Friends just wanted to smash puss, and he was shouting at them for their shallowness.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:05
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I honestly enjoy watching South Park and I just don't understand the points you guys are making. I actually started rewatching this from 17 or 18 I believe and most of the times it has been fun. I guess the issue is reading this thread and not South Park for me 
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Oct 16, 2018 21:31
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Many people have high expectations for South Park based on seasons 1-18. When an episode fails to meet those expectations it is disappointing. Everyone here likes South Park. Some have been watching since the beginning. Where is the confusion?
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Oct 16, 2018 21:40
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I believe you yourself create a never ending cycle of self dissapointment. You start the thread with a "MAKE ME LAUGH" attitude and of course that will never end well neither for you nor for the artist itself. If you ask me, it destroys many good shows and artists.
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Oct 16, 2018 21:51
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Waltzing Along posted:Many people have high expectations for South Park based on seasons 1-18. When an episode fails to meet those expectations it is disappointing. Everyone here likes South Park. Some have been watching since the beginning. Where is the confusion?
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Oct 16, 2018 22:47
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Ah yes, the classic "you just don't like Thing because Thing has changed" argument
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Oct 16, 2018 22:57
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I do tend to agree with turbo's reasoning. I enjoy new episodes of the show because it's generally my type of humor even though I might not be in love with every new episode. If I stopped enjoying it I would stop watching it, and I'd suggest the same to anyone else who complains that "South Park hasn't been good since X." There are plenty of other shows to watch that may be a better use of your time.Isometric Bacon posted:I feel South Park has been pretty consistent through out the whole run, especially how it has grown and matured with the times, which is a credit to it. There's very few episodes I would actually consider 'bad', rather than just ok or middling. I think this Mr Hankey one was one of them. As I've written previously, I totally agree that they shouldn't procrastinate and make each episode over only a week, and I've had the opposite opinion of yours about their multi-part episodes.
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Oct 17, 2018 02:39
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I will never understand two extremely wealthy white people using their position is a staple of pop culture with a giant multimillion dollar platform to act like they're put upon and voiceless and being censored by the PC police. It's like when Fox New spends all day playing victim to millions of elderly people and morons and saying "nobody's talking about this." Motherfucker, you've been talking about it all day.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:18
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KennyMan666 posted:The confusion lies in that South Park, in general, haven't been failing to meet the expectations since your arbitrary nostalgia cutoff point. From posts in this thread I wonder why some of you are even watching since it's obvious you don't even like the show. So far, all episodes of the current season have been solid South Park fare and none of them have been disappointing. I dunno, I get some of the criticism this season has been getting. Although, I personally have enjoyed them and laughed quite a bit, the plots and storylines of all 3 episodes this season have been some of the weakest in the shows run. Which is quite sad since we know that Trey & Matt can write some drat good stories even for a 20 minute TV show. Although, that being said, the thread is a lot more readable and enjoyable if you just ignore Waltzing Along who seems to have created the thread for this season with the only intention of trashing everything about it whenever they are given the opportunity. I don't mind saying it, gently caress Waltzing Along.
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Oct 17, 2018 07:11
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LividLiquid posted:I will never understand two extremely wealthy white people using their position is a staple of pop culture with a giant multimillion dollar platform to act like they're put upon and voiceless and being censored by the PC police. I will never understand moral busybodies who like to police adult humor for offensiveness.
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Oct 17, 2018 07:24
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precision posted:Ah yes, the classic "you just don't like Thing because Thing has changed" argument I'll be honest, I think a lot of people are extra hard on this episode not because it was awful but because it hit too close to home in some places.
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Oct 17, 2018 09:59
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:I don't mind saying it, gently caress Waltzing Along. No. gently caress yooooou. If you go back to before the show started sucking, you will see I am probably the most positive poster and maybe the shows biggest fan. I want the show to be good and I am not afraid to call it out for what it is now.
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Oct 17, 2018 13:38
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I'm honestly hoping they really do cancel the series and just keep pumping out RPGs instead. I've gotten waaaaay more entertainment out of Stick of Truth and Fractured But Whole than I have out of the last couple seasons of the show (wait for a steam sale, of course)
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Oct 17, 2018 14:53
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Tonights episode is about butters selling vape pens to kids at school. Didn't they do a smoking episode before? Making fun of Rob Reiner?
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Oct 17, 2018 15:21
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Blazing Ownager posted:I'll be honest, I think a lot of people are extra hard on this episode not because it was awful but because it hit too close to home in some places. I mean that might be true but I still feel like "you people don't like this because nostalgia" is a very weak argument. It's tedious in music and it's tedious here, because ultimately it's a criticism of criticism and done in a way that can't really be interesting. For the record, I've liked plenty of recent south park, especially the games, I really don't feel like it's controversial to say that the last episode was lazy and weak. There are old episodes that were lazy and weak in the same way, mind you. They've always done "the reference is the joke" and it's never been funny.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:38
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That's very true. There have always been weak episodes in every season. But there were more episodes so a greater chance of good episodes and the weak ones didn't stand out so much. 10 episodes a season really makes the bad ones stand out because each disappointing week is a wasted opportunity. It's great that South Park is still around. It isn't the best show on TV any more, though. It used to be. It's not even the best animated show now that Rick & Morty smashes it almost every episode.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:44
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Waltzing Along posted:Tonights episode is about butters selling vape pens to kids at school. Didn't they do a smoking episode before? Making fun of Rob Reiner? I feel like this should be a funny episode.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:45
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Yeah the short seasons definitely amplify the problem
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Oct 17, 2018 15:46
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I will never understand moral busybodies who like to police adult humor for offensiveness. smtg being “offensive” isn’t the problem if the jokes are funny they aren’t cheap laughs at someone else’s expense are lovely and if that’s all you’ve got yr not funny
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Oct 17, 2018 17:57
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Waltzing Along posted:Tonights episode is about butters selling vape pens to kids at school. Didn't they do a smoking episode before? Making fun of Rob Reiner? Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_Out jesus that was 15 years ago :/
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Oct 18, 2018 00:00
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That first smoking episode also had some seriously warped messages but it was at least funny and better put together. I still don't know what point they were trying to make with A poo. My major worry is that they've lost the thread of the characters. Mr Hankey was never a figurative piece of poo poo. Hell, despite what they said last episode he didn't help just once. He was always a good guy who paled around with the likes of Jesus and Santa which are as close as you can get to saintly in the South Park Universe. So the point with the ambien that they're trying to make is a little muddled. Either the ambien revealed his true colors (that we've never seen) OR he's still a good guy and the ambien defense is legitimate, which might be valid until you remember he's a Roseanne analogue and she's long been contentious without ambien. Then you consider the Kavanaugh hearing and yeah. That's not even getting into whatever point they were trying to make concerning the Simpsons
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Oct 18, 2018 00:46
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Milo and POTUS posted:That first smoking episode also had some seriously warped messages but it was at least funny and better put together. I still don't know what point they were trying to make with A poo. My major worry is that they've lost the thread of the characters. Mr Hankey was never a figurative piece of poo poo. Hell, despite what they said last episode he didn't help just once. He was always a good guy who paled around with the likes of Jesus and Santa which are as close as you can get to saintly in the South Park Universe. So the point with the ambien that they're trying to make is a little muddled. Either the ambien revealed his true colors (that we've never seen) OR he's still a good guy and the ambien defense is legitimate, which might be valid until you remember he's a Roseanne analogue and she's long been contentious without ambien. Then you consider the Kavanaugh hearing and yeah. That's not even getting into whatever point they were trying to make concerning the Simpsons Part of it is the natural play on words between Apu and "a poo"; it'd be weird if they had to create a brand-new poo character when they already had one. And when was the last time he appeared in any other episode? Imaginationland? It doesn't matter if Mr. Hankey traditionally hasn't been a negative character, it's not like they were using him for anything else. Other than that, the episode was definitely a jumbling of messages and ideas. It's almost like they could use more than 6 days to flesh out a single episode.... 
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Milo and POTUS posted:He was always a good guy who paled around with the likes of Jesus and Santa which are as close as you can get to saintly in the South Park Universe. People who we thought were good were actually pieces of crap this whole time. Look at Cosby.
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