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Oh no, BiTD will have to move to one of the other dozens of social networking sites clamoring for users. Clearly the end of the world.
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ElGroucho posted:I can't believe g+ was still even around, I thought it died 8 years ago It was pretty apropos for the tabletop rpg community to choose the social network built around small cliques incestuously cross-pollinating the same information endlessly though.
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Greg Stafford died. One of my favorite RPG creators of all time.
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neaden posted:Greg Stafford died. One of my favorite RPG creators of all time. Oh, no...
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Oct 12, 2018 16:26
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RIP Stafford. Go kick Joe Campbell’s rear end.
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DigitalRaven posted:A "service" with an unusable UI, a massive loving security hole, and an active, thriving population of "people" engaged in actual criminal harassment campaigns that drove people from their homes and off the internet entirely. You may want to categorise the last as "a couple of grogs", but I have no time for your mealy-mouthed bullshit.
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neaden posted:Greg Stafford died. One of my favorite RPG creators of all time. I'm so sad. 
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:This describes like, every website, including this one. lol did you get quoted in grogs.txt sometime and it made you mad
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DigitalRaven posted:A "service" with an unusable UI, a massive loving security hole, and an active, thriving population of "people" engaged in actual criminal harassment campaigns that drove people from their homes and off the internet entirely. You may want to categorise the last as "a couple of grogs", but I have no time for your mealy-mouthed bullshit. I couldn't speculate on the sociological reasons, but the fact of the matter is that the permissive-to-a-fault platforms are the ones where lots of good communities have made their homes, and it's sad they're being torn apart. It's never a given that those communities can transplant themselves, not even to other overly permissive platforms. I don't think this will make nearly as much of a difference to the shitheads as it will to the indie RPG scene. While there's no room to minimize the harm that people like Zak and Pundit do, I think it's a little hard to be morally censorious of people bemoaning the loss of a platform when posting on Something Awful or tweeting on Twitter or browsing Reddit, even if you never go to GBS or Kotaku in Action or follow Mike Cernovich.
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neaden posted:Greg Stafford died. One of my favorite RPG creators of all time.
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Arivia posted:lol did you get quoted in grogs.txt sometime and it made you mad I mean we've had the owner of our own site saying "friend of the family friend of the family friend of the family" over and over as if it were high comedy on his own podcast just last week. You can excoriate another platform for being passively involved in lovely things, sure, but then maybe don't give the lovely things that either go on or have went on here a free pass just because you feel a tribal investment in a single subforum? Something Awful and Google+, as far as I understand them, are still social media platforms as opposed to goddamn death cults. That Old Tree posted:I think it's a little hard to be morally censorious of people bemoaning the loss of a platform when posting on Something Awful or tweeting on Twitter or browsing Reddit, even if you never go to GBS or Kotaku in Action or follow Mike Cernovich. Yeah. I mean for all that tumblr is derided as being the hub for all that is social justice wario, it also allows unironic neo-nazis to post freely too, and most often people don't give a gently caress about anything and are just there for the porn blogs. They're all their own individual little bubbles with their own cultures, mostly isolated from one another. Also RIP glorantha man, may flights of weird duck-men quack thee to thy rest.
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That Old Tree posted:I couldn't speculate on the sociological reasons, but the fact of the matter is that the permissive-to-a-fault platforms are the ones where lots of good communities have made their homes, and it's sad they're being torn apart. It's never a given that those communities can transplant themselves, not even to other overly permissive platforms. I don't think this will make nearly as much of a difference to the shitheads as it will to the indie RPG scene. While there's no room to minimize the harm that people like Zak and Pundit do, I think it's a little hard to be morally censorious of people bemoaning the loss of a platform when posting on Something Awful or tweeting on Twitter or browsing Reddit, even if you never go to GBS or Kotaku in Action or follow Mike Cernovich. That's a sensible take I agree with, yes.
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If these dead gay comedy forums were to disappear, it would probably boost my productivity by about 30%. On the other hand, there's nowhere else with the same breadth of content and (relative) absence of obnoxious screaming shitheads; that combination of  and decent mods makes all the difference.My long-dormant interest in RPGs sure as hell wouldn't have been revived if the only places I could have read and posted about them had either hairtrigger mods or were run by and for armchair fascists.
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neaden posted:Greg Stafford died. One of my favorite RPG creators of all time. Greg gave me one of my first writing gigs doing some stuff for Different Worlds.
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drat shame about Stafford---a true pioneer. I can only hope he's ethereally chilling in utmost contentment with the likes of M.A.R. Barker since we all missed out on a better future that would've seen both of them live to 105 or some such while continuing to delve ever deeper as so few can.
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Clearly, we need intrepid designers to go on a Heroquest to Stafford.
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Stacy Dellorfano of Contessa recently put out an interesting article about this year's Diana Jones Awards. The argument she makes, that the win for Actual Play comes from a not-great motivation, at first seemed a bit hard for me to swallow. I mean, Actual Plays are huge, and they're no doubt an important part of introducing the concept of tabletop gaming to the world. Then I got to "It’s an amazing coincidence, is it not, that the first year Gen Con starts running their own track of Actual Plays, advertised for all four days all over the stadium we were set up in, Actual Play also wins the Diana Jones Award?" and I definitely had to think more intensely about the subject.
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Meinberg posted:Stacy Dellorfano of Contessa recently put out an interesting article about this year's Diana Jones Awards. The argument she makes, that the win for Actual Play comes from a not-great motivation, at first seemed a bit hard for me to swallow. I mean, Actual Plays are huge, and they're no doubt an important part of introducing the concept of tabletop gaming to the world. Then I got to "It’s an amazing coincidence, is it not, that the first year Gen Con starts running their own track of Actual Plays, advertised for all four days all over the stadium we were set up in, Actual Play also wins the Diana Jones Award?" and I definitely had to think more intensely about the subject. Yeah, the Diana Jones Award feels like it jumped the shark this year. Do we know who's actually on the committee? I think James Wallis, but I don't know any of the others.
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From their website:quote:Most of the members of the Diana Jones judging committee are anonymous, but Peter Adkison, Matt Forbeck, John Kovalic and James Wallis have all revealed their membership. New members are invited at the discretion of the existing members. RPGs desperately need a new and better award.
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Meinberg posted:Stacy Dellorfano of Contessa recently put out an interesting article about this year's Diana Jones Awards. The argument she makes, that the win for Actual Play comes from a not-great motivation, at first seemed a bit hard for me to swallow. I mean, Actual Plays are huge, and they're no doubt an important part of introducing the concept of tabletop gaming to the world. Then I got to "It’s an amazing coincidence, is it not, that the first year Gen Con starts running their own track of Actual Plays, advertised for all four days all over the stadium we were set up in, Actual Play also wins the Diana Jones Award?" and I definitely had to think more intensely about the subject. When, as dwarf74 pointed out in the chat thread, when third party services are launching competitive D&D play streams, it becomes pretty apparent that the industry-side of tabletop gaming has finally stumbled upon the realization that actual plays are free advertising and the fastest way to catapult their product to a larger audience. It'll be interesting to see how far this can be take before corporate interests overtake what was previously a pretty independent and organically-grown area of tabletop gaming. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:When, as dwarf74 pointed out in the chat thread, someone is launching competitive D&D play streams, it becomes pretty apparent that the industry-side of tabletop gaming has finally stumbled upon the realization that actual plays are free advertising and the fastest way to catapult their product to a larger audience. It'll be interesting to see how far this can be take before corporate interests overtake what was previously a pretty independent and organically-grown area of tabletop gaming.
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I feel like it's kind of conspiracy theory-ish to connect the Diana Jones Award to Gencon's marketing decisions, especially since Actual Play stuff has gotten very huge, very fast, and this is the kind of thing the award does. Like, is it really coincidence that Gencon starts doing Actual Play stuff that same year? No, it's not coincidence, because Actual Play stuff getting really big this past year or two is why it was up for the award in the first place.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:There's a lot less money in tabletop than there is in video games, and while there's a lot to be said about corporate intrusions and co-opting in Let's Plays and streaming, corporations have not had a ton of success in dictating which streamers and LPers get attention. It's still an area where someone tends to build their popularity first and then sponsors come to them. I don't expect D&D to ever make as much money as MtG, but I think Hasbro would be happy to have it make "some more money" over "pretty much no money". You caught my post before I finished double checking who was running the event and it looks like it's Encounter Roleplay, which is sponsored by D&D Beyond (WotC official actual play news service) and Fantasy Grounds. I haven't really paid attention to Encounter Roleplay before, but it looks like anyone can play in it (if you download the Fantasy Ground demo, join their discord, and make a character sheet, ideally through D&D beyond which you sign in to through your Twitch account.) Basically, it looks like the perfect little second-party soft test of the marketability of D&D. I'm tying this back into some points Stacy Dellorfano raises in the article: quote:It’s hard for me, now, to see the Diana Jones Award as anything but an awkward vessel for extending Gen Con’s marketing presence. An archaic relic of a time before when people actually had to give a poo poo about the great gatekeepers - Gen Con and Dungeons & Dragons, given out by a committee that seems increasingly more interested in maintaining the status quo than they are about discovering and defending the new. The different. The dam breakers. She makes an excellent point that Actual Plays didn't need any further recognition to succeed. They're doing just fine. Great, even. There's really not enough evidence to conclude it's due to any deliberate collusion between GenCon and the awards committee, but it does look like everyone is at least partially enchanted by the new potential (capital) Actual Plays bring. And yeah, at this point the marketing side is still looking at established groups for the most part and sponsoring them, but that does lead to a few issues, too. Like most of the major established groups are still pretty undiverse player-wise. They do try to make up for that in characters, but that's really not the same at all. It also brings up the question of which companies have the means to sponsor them, and what that means for which games they'll be promoting on their streams/videos/podcasts? Also, what does it mean as the demand for more professionally-produced Actual Plays grows? In an ideal scenario, an award like this would recognize great creations like Harlem Unbound and the under-represented perspectives it brings to a wider audience. Actual Plays have that potential, too, but both are also great tools for selling the same products to more people.
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It's kinda funny that the US is now catching up to Japan's concept of Replays which are just published transcripts (with some possible dramatization edited in) of RPG sessions. But the US's version is essentially the technologically current version of that.
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Xelkelvos posted:It's kinda funny that the US is now catching up to Japan's concept of Replays which are just published transcripts (with some possible dramatization edited in) of RPG sessions. But the US's version is essentially the technologically current version of that. Well... Does Record of Lodoss War count?
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Kurieg posted:Well... Does Record of Lodoss War count? It is a Replay of a Sword World campaign, yes.
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My two conclusions are (1) white people are more than insensitive enough to race and inequality for that to be the cause, rather than conspiracy, and (2) I need to buy Harlem Unbound.
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I was looking for more information about the DJA and I discovered that last year the winner was Gen Con. Gen Con. The other nominees were The Beast, End of the Line, Terraforming Mars, Gloomhaven, and the Romance Trilogy, any one of which would have made a vastly superior winner. Sage LaTorra was tweeting earlier that the DJA makes great shortlists and terrible winner decisions, and the more I look through this list the more I'm inclined to agree. E: In 2013 Dog Eat Dog, Love Letter, Metatopia, and Playing At The World all lost out to loving Tabletop, the Wil Wheaton series.
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I feel like people could probably guess what my standards for an industry award are, and so far none of them meet them.
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I have literally never heard of this award before it was posted in here.
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It won it, in fact
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potatocubed posted:I was looking for more information about the DJA and I discovered that last year the winner was Gen Con. Gencon won because it was the 50th anniversary. It was also pretty controversial too, much like actual play.
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They could probably get away with giving themselves back-pat-ish awards more often if they didn't only give out one award a year. "We're giving the Diana Jones award to Gen-Con, because without Gen-Con this wouldn't be possible." Is pretty eye rolling, but it's egregious when that's the only award they're giving out.
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So remember that DnDSports thing? That's already been changed, their new name is RPGSports. https://rpgsports.tv/news/expanding-to-rpgsports/
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Sage Genesis posted:So remember that DnDSports thing? That's already been changed, their new name is RPGSports. An interesting new spin on, “we received a cease & desist”.
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DalaranJ posted:An interesting new spin on, “we received a cease & desist”. quote:We’ve heard a lot of great feedback, but one thing we weren’t expecting was SO much interest for us to expand outside of just Dungeons & Dragons! Therefore, we’ve decided to broaden our approach and become RPGSports! At face value, there probably is interest to do this with other systems like Pathfinder 1e and Pathfinder 2e. Outside of that, they may have only just started getting the rules and stuff together and have only just now figured out that DnD 5e is a terrible system to do this with so they want to get ahead of the curve. Edit: There is a possibility that Hasbro/WotC contacted them and told them to change the name to avoid confusion too. Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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