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CLAM DOWN posted:Every cloud provider has upsides and downsides. Go back to sweeping parking lots. AWS at least comes to meetings prepared. gently caress Azure. I'll take Google api shenanigans over that crap.
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H110Hawk posted:AWS at least comes to meetings prepared. gently caress Azure. I'll take Google api shenanigans over that crap. Wait, you mean their employees/sales reps?
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Oct 18, 2018 06:42
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Azure has really fit our needs as a 100% windows based small shop so  use the tools that work for you imo
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Oct 18, 2018 12:02
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Is this your first day on the internet? NO. Use the tools that I approve or I will belittle you. Everyone's use case matches mine exactly.
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Oct 18, 2018 13:57
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Is this your first day on the internet? NO. Use the tools that I approve or I will belittle you. Everyone's use case matches mine exactly. Nice, when did you start working at Microsoft?
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Oct 18, 2018 14:08
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Kashuno posted:Azure has really fit our needs as a 100% windows based small shop so I find my windows based cloud computing needs to be handled by google cloud with a better management set, easier to understand pricing reporting, and to be cheaper overall compared to azure. Being small and being pure windows is meaningless in this regard. Give it a look.
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Sickening posted:I find my windows based cloud computing needs to be handled by google cloud with a better management set, easier to understand pricing reporting, and to be cheaper overall compared to azure. Being small and being pure windows is meaningless in this regard. I think that's the first I've really heard anyone say anything positive about Google's cloud offering. we just really started our migration to Azure so we will probably at least stick with it for the time being but at least by being on CSP I can easily jump out whenever e; there's also a decent sized interest in either Dynamics365 or a food industry specific ERP that's just built on top of Dynamics, not sure if that changes things to consider at this time though.
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Oct 18, 2018 15:05
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Sickening posted:I find my windows based cloud computing needs to be handled by google cloud with a better management set, easier to understand pricing reporting, and to be cheaper overall compared to azure. Being small and being pure windows is meaningless in this regard. People know their use cases better than others in this thread. For example, Google Cloud doesn't even have a Canadian region let alone other countries.
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Oct 18, 2018 15:07
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Thanks Ants posted:What devices are you using with Teams? Last time I checked the options were pretty thin on the ground, Polycom have been dragging their heels on support for months past when they said they'd have something ready. We already have the Logitech SRS docks in almost all rooms. I've got 4 rooms with Surface Hubs. Both of those in September went GA for Teams support. We have a 3rd type of room that uses one of our devices that's strictly BYOD, so as long as they have Teams set up already, they can go to town. So far the task list looks like this: [done] Get hybrid SFB-Online configured and tested. [done] Get "meet in teams" added to all Outlook clients. [In Process] Update firmware and rev on all SRS systems to v.2 with the Sep firmware [In Process] Update licensing on all room system accounts to add SFBOnline and microsoft PSTN [Done] Configure Direct Routing for our on prem Audiocodes SBC systems for local Teams Dial in numbers for all accounts. [Not Started] Build new deployment package for surface hubs. [Not Started] Promote one test room account from On-prem SFB to SFB-Online. Assign local Teams number from Direct Routing. [Not Started] Test room setup, meetings, dial in, dial out, SIP only. [Not Started] Document process changes over current SFB-prem setup [Not Started] Deploy new package to Surface hub [Not Started] Promote test hub room account from On-prem SFB to SFB-Online. Assign local Teams number from Direct Routing. [Not Started] Test hub room, document meeting process. Further, test all online functionality (one-drive etc) that does not currently work with on-prem deployment [Not Started] Finish training materials [Not Started] Communicate to the company about the new dual-use rooms, SFB-Online and Teams. SFB users should be able to use the rooms exactly as they did before, Teams is the addition [Not Started] Bonus: Figure out local dial in number policy for international meetings for PSTN. In theory Teams/SFBOnline for remote users should pick the closest Microsoft pop for communication TheHeadSage posted:In 30 days? We've done a lot of the prep-work already. Our Teams adoption is over 70% in our user-base, I think it's an aggressive, but makeable timeline. I've got 3 people working this as their top priority. DigitalMocking fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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Oct 18, 2018 15:16
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CLAM DOWN posted:People know their use cases better than others in this thread. For example, Google Cloud doesn't even have a Canadian region let alone other countries.
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Oct 18, 2018 15:16
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CLAM DOWN posted:People know their use cases better than others in this thread. For example, Google Cloud doesn't even have a Canadian region let alone other countries. Why do you continue flogging this when you're so patently wrong? 
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Oct 18, 2018 15:23
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Banned for mod sass.
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Oct 18, 2018 15:23
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SeaborneClink posted:Why do you continue flogging this when you're so patently wrong? I mistyped and meant App engine. And when the gently caress have I mentioned Google Cloud and Canada EVER, loving quote me you antagonistic poo poo. e: I'll find the email and screenshot when I get to work. We had a presentation from Google last year about this and had to rule them out because no Canadian location CLAM DOWN fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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Oct 18, 2018 15:31
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https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/locationsquote:App Engine is available in the following regions: Last year was a long time ago, friend
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Oct 18, 2018 15:47
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That's fair. Glad to be wrong. Maybe we should look at it again. Doesn't excuse that completely uncalled for rear end in a top hat reply, and my original point is still absolutely correct: No one here knows everyone's use cases or requirements, and has no business judging others choices with such hyperbole.
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Oct 18, 2018 15:54
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I don't understand my organization. We use MS for outlook/exchange, Google Drive for shared docs, and AWS for infrastructure
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Oct 18, 2018 16:14
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The only thing legitimately wrong there is using Google drive.
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Oct 18, 2018 16:18
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CLAM DOWN posted:People know their use cases better than others in this thread. For example, Google Cloud doesn't even have a Canadian region let alone other countries. I would hope so. My point was being a 100% windows shop doesn't mean anything when choosing one of the big 3 in a lot of use cases. Kashuno posted:I think that's the first I've really heard anyone say anything positive about Google's cloud offering. we just really started our migration to Azure so we will probably at least stick with it for the time being but at least by being on CSP I can easily jump out whenever Well that certainly is strange. GCP has been pretty solid for what we have used it for. Azure is just insanely bad at some things. They are probably the worst of the 2 in forecasting your spending and reporting what you previous spent. Their "advisor" section is just a big advertisement for their prepaid services which is laughable bad outside of the infosec stuff. GCP alerting you to oversizing of your resources while is pretty slick while not always super useful.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Wait, you mean their employees/sales reps? Yup. I'm sure Azure works as well as any other cloud for small workloads, but god forbid they come to a meeting prepared after begging us to move a large workload to them.
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The only MS we use is O365, and even that sucks, but it's the standard, so we're stuck with it. At one point, I was getting the CEO's email in my inbox for no particular reason. After weeks of back and forth with MS support, I had to run some power shell command that finally fixed it. Message traces didn't help, nor did the first 2 levels of support who wanted to close the ticket almost immediately so their numbers would look good. Now they've implemented a default timeout that logs me out of Outlook in the browser after 3 hours of inactivity that I can't change except with a power shell command. I have an ubuntu laptop and a macbook, so I'm not going to bother trying to figure out how to use power shell on them (I had a Win laptop in the past). I work with the command line on OSX and a few linux flavors about 30% of the time, but I'll never learn power shell because it's a completely non-intuitive pos.
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lol if you work with MS directly on literally anything. I've had to open a couple O365 tickets with my CSP and they've been able to resolve things incredibly quick. Makes my pricing easy and consistent too when everything in their portals points to "go check your CSP for billing info"
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Lucid Nonsense posted:The only MS we use is O365, and even that sucks, but it's the standard, so we're stuck with it. At one point, I was getting the CEO's email in my inbox for no particular reason. After weeks of back and forth with MS support, I had to run some power shell command that finally fixed it. Message traces didn't help, nor did the first 2 levels of support who wanted to close the ticket almost immediately so their numbers would look good. Now they've implemented a default timeout that logs me out of Outlook in the browser after 3 hours of inactivity that I can't change except with a power shell command. I have an ubuntu laptop and a macbook, so I'm not going to bother trying to figure out how to use power shell on them (I had a Win laptop in the past). I work with the command line on OSX and a few linux flavors about 30% of the time, but I'll never learn power shell because it's a completely non-intuitive pos. This is the most bizarre behavior I’ve ever heard.
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Tab8715 posted:This is the most bizarre behavior I’ve ever heard. You could say it's...lucid nonsense
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Powershell is pretty intuitive but whatever. Also, I don't know about that timeout thing, doesn't happen to me at all. Everyone else must have awful luck with O365, we've had next to no issues with somewhere around 700-800 users across 10 or so tenants, and the few issues we did have were not super hosed up (like people getting other people's emails?wtf?) and were fixed within a day by support. It was amusing showing one of the O365 support guys how to manage other tenants from my admin user though.
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We mainly use Azure for the stuff that is fairly unique to the platform - application proxy, Azure AD and the SSO integration with Windows and the future passwordless stuff, managed AD domain services, Windows server backup etc. and it works fine.
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Tab8715 posted:This is the most bizarre behavior I’ve ever heard. The first issue, yes, but the second issue has a ton of people bitching when I googled it.
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I got to tell my helpdesk tech they were getting promoted today and they were super excited and happy. Sometimes, being in management is good 
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Internet Explorer posted:Banned for mod sass.
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Oct 18, 2018 19:51
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I’ve probably - literally - setup hundred of O365 Tenants and I worked with one with over 100k+ users. I haven’t had real problems aside from the occasional outage. I don’t touch exchange 
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Oct 18, 2018 19:52
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Put in my CAPEX/OPEX for next year. Now to see how hard it gets gutted.
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Oct 18, 2018 21:34
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You asked for 30% more than you really need right? It's a dumb game, but we expect finance to cut, so we ask for what we need plus what we expect them to cut.
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skipdogg posted:You asked for 30% more than you really need right? It's a dumb game, but we expect finance to cut, so we ask for what we need plus what we expect them to cut. Yeah, I went balls out. Company is doing really well, almost 15% over projections for the year, so I went full bucket list for everything I want. Overestimated all of the costs, added like 3 projects that I don't care if we cut. :p
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DigitalMocking posted:Yeah, I went balls out. Company is doing really well, almost 15% over projections for the year, so I went full bucket list for everything I want. Overestimated all of the costs, added like 3 projects that I don't care if we cut. :p Reminds me of back when Dilbert was funny. 
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I know we had a similar talk not too long ago, either in this thread or one of the other ones, but I have some slight differences in what I'm looking for. I mostly work in Windows, but I'm also occasionally working out of an Ubuntu environment (18.04, Gnome) and don't know the available tools as well. I deal mostly with switches and am looking for suggestions for a decent ssh/telnet client. I am fully aware of the standard CLI ones and I can use them fine and they'll do in a pinch, but I am after something at least a little more feature-rich. The biggest thing I want is host history that persists past the end of a Terminal session or a reboot. It would also be nice to have color customization independent of Terminal. I would like it to be free and I don't care for PuTTY. I've asked a few people for recommendations and they mostly recommended just using stock ssh with some shell modifications, like bash-completion, which I don't think is going to work for me. For one thing, I am very mobile and am generally on a laptop and not in the same place all day. If exiting terminal or shutting down my computer kills my host history then a lot of the utility is gone. For another, I don't want my host history mixed in with my other terminal commands. Even better would be something like Royal TS, where I could maintain a list of hosts permanently and just organize them by folder and choose them from a list. But that's probably too much to ask for something free. (There is no Linux port of Royal, and Royal itself is not free past a few hosts.) I have been pointed to terminator, and that may well be the answer, but I would be interested to know if anyone has anything else to recommend.
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Proteus Jones posted:Reminds me of back when Dilbert was funny. Man what the heck is with that image of that strip. It looks like it's a several generation deep copy that finally got cleaned up and cropped a bit to try to fix the jank. Compare to the official version on the syndication site:  I feel like I'm seeing at least one case of having gone through a fax machine that stretches things out because of lovely feed mechanism, another bad photocopy from that so Bob in accounting can put it on his cubicle, etc. Also someone deciding to blank out the AOL email and the website in between panels at some point, which they definitely printed in the papers. Old time Dilbert relied heavily on reader submissions after all, and most came through the email.
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We are looking at a full refresh of one of our datacenters. Pretty small, so the full refresh of storage, switching, and servers, including a new power 9, is only around $1m. I casually priced what I thought it would take to run it in azure, and the total came to over $1m per year, plus we would still need a new power 9 and some of the other stuff we are already going to purchase. With the amount of time we spend maintaining our datacenter infrastructure, I still don't understand how anyone can just move everything to the cloud. We don't do any in-house development that would scale in any way, so that makes a difference. Sales people consistently remind me I am a moron for not being "all in" on the cloud like their other customers, but it just makes zero sense to me. Maybe I need to just move my network into the cloud to start with? edit: we have two datacenters that replicate to each other and run at around 50% capacity, both prices listed are for just the one datacenter.
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adorai posted:We are looking at a full refresh of one of our datacenters. Pretty small, so the full refresh of storage, switching, and servers, including a new power 9, is only around $1m. I casually priced what I thought it would take to run it in azure, and the total came to over $1m per year, plus we would still need a new power 9 and some of the other stuff we are already going to purchase. With the amount of time we spend maintaining our datacenter infrastructure, I still don't understand how anyone can just move everything to the cloud. We don't do any in-house development that would scale in any way, so that makes a difference. Sales people consistently remind me I am a moron for not being "all in" on the cloud like their other customers, but it just makes zero sense to me.
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adorai posted:We are looking at a full refresh of one of our datacenters. Pretty small, so the full refresh of storage, switching, and servers, including a new power 9, is only around $1m. I casually priced what I thought it would take to run it in azure, and the total came to over $1m per year, plus we would still need a new power 9 and some of the other stuff we are already going to purchase. With the amount of time we spend maintaining our datacenter infrastructure, I still don't understand how anyone can just move everything to the cloud. We don't do any in-house development that would scale in any way, so that makes a difference. Sales people consistently remind me I am a moron for not being "all in" on the cloud like their other customers, but it just makes zero sense to me. You don't move to the cloud to save money.
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CLAM DOWN posted:You don't move to the cloud to save money. Look sir/ma'am the spreadsheet aws made for us assuming we pay full retail for Dell servers with the top of the line warranty, raid cards, and redundant power supplies says we save money hand over fist if we do all up front reserved instances. Barely.
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adorai posted:We are looking at a full refresh of one of our datacenters. Pretty small, so the full refresh of storage, switching, and servers, including a new power 9, is only around $1m. I casually priced what I thought it would take to run it in azure, and the total came to over $1m per year, plus we would still need a new power 9 and some of the other stuff we are already going to purchase. With the amount of time we spend maintaining our datacenter infrastructure, I still don't understand how anyone can just move everything to the cloud. We don't do any in-house development that would scale in any way, so that makes a difference. Sales people consistently remind me I am a moron for not being "all in" on the cloud like their other customers, but it just makes zero sense to me. In my experience there is a lot of creative accounting that goes into the "cloud is too expensive" calculations. They generally omit the facts that: - You won't need anyone managing on-prem data storage OR SAN networks anymore, depending on scale this can be an entire teams worth of people - you won't need anyone babysitting VMWare and the associated server components - you won't need anybody looking after UPS, cooling, technical floorspace - You won't need to be paying for a separate backup solution - Entire apps and their associated gatekeepers can be either dramatically simplified or delegated entirely (O365, SCM, etc.) - You're saving a huge amount of per-port costs, data center networking is expensive especially at 25/40/100G and modern hyperconverged systems use a lot of ports - Simple stuff can be migrated to severless components which only run when explicitly required and are super cheap - No maintenance or licensing contracts for hardware/on-prem software components Sometimes people also forget that on-prem hardware has a lifespan as well, it's not like a DC refresh lasts forever.
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