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I was kinda winging it on Tanya because I couldn't remember if it was Tanya herself or the super magic jewel thing that only she can activate (which I'm sure is due to unstoppable spite) I get that Subaru is forced into some things, like encountering the thugs or getting shrekt by Elsa, but then he start being irrationally stupid and starts doing things that actively sabotage himself, like all the butler bullshit (remember they killed him as a suspected spy the first time...) He's a protagonist that does everything he can to not be a protagonist by doing his best not to embrace and write his own story. It sends a very lovely life message and becomes a literal dead-end until it gets broken up by a waifu pity-party. Kazuma understands that that he's the goddamn protag and needs to and does act like it sometimes. Kazuma pulls his weight in a party of minmaxed monsters. Subaru gets carried like a scrub despite being so painfully immortal. Subaru would be so loving useless and very very dead in any of these other settings, and I hope Quartet hammers on that, and then revives him Kenny-style and nobody cares 
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Ranzear posted:I was kinda winging it on Tanya because I couldn't remember if it was Tanya herself or the super magic jewel thing that only she can activate (which I'm sure is due to unstoppable spite) It's technically both. Tanya herself has insane magical power, which is neccesary for the Computational Jewel she uses since it takes more energy than the previous version. However, it's also much more powerful than the previous version...and works literally only due to prayer. It's likely to explode on itself if it isn't stabilized through Being X's power, which triggers by praying to god, because he has a really sick sense of humour.
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Oct 17, 2018 23:48
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i don't really care about konosuba crossing over so much as i do aqua crossing over. most of the good stuff would probably be from the other casts interacting with her.
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Oct 17, 2018 23:51
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Blaze Dragon posted:Congratulations, you completely missed the point, a point the series is never exactly subtle about considering it's one of the pillars of Subaru's character. Death really, really, REALLY sucks, and constantly dying is only hurting him psychologically, not helping him. Re:Zero goes against the usual "death is fine, you'll just be brought back" by pointing out the obvious: we have a primal fear of death for a reason, now imagine going constantly through it, and worse, having your memories never really match the world due to constant resets.
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Oct 17, 2018 23:55
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That isn't at all. In the second ark the first time he dies it is because he was poisoned by one of the kids in the village. Next time through he tries to stay back and analyze the situation to see just where the threat is coming from and is rewarded in this attempt by being tortured by Rem until Ram puts him out of his misery. Every cycle involves him trying to do the best he can to move forwards, running into a horrifying death and then having to replay the scenario again and again until he can figure out every bit of bullshit that is standing against him so that he can do a perfect run of it. In terms of the usability of Subaru, Tanya at least would be ecstatic about someone who could be used as a human test dummy to find out all the bullshit moves being x is going to try on her so that she can counter it herself
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Oct 17, 2018 23:57
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Herbotron posted:If it relied on Aqua in any way it was not a solid plan. Thats why she was not part of the plan. Her job was to heal and support any of them. Then as they start set up she sets off a lure for the Lizards to identify the King.
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Oct 18, 2018 00:11
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Vengarr posted:Overlord and RE:Zero both outsell Konosuba. Tanya is the least-popular of the four. I wasn't referring to sales. Qualitywise while the other 3 are all bad at least Youjo Senki has Youjo Shenki as an adjacent, sort of good thing.
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Oct 18, 2018 01:00
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Any chance at solving global warming has been eliminated by the thermal radiation from all the hot takes coming thick and fast here.
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Oct 18, 2018 01:12
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Rodyle posted:I wasn't referring to sales. Youjo Senki is good, though. Aoi Yuuki is at war with god, and almost nobody realizes she's a psychotic monster, and even the people who do don't realize all she wants is a nice, safe posting far from the front. Few protagonists are quite so self-sabotaging without being actively incompetent.
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Oct 18, 2018 01:12
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My ideal Isekai Quartet would be Kazuma shithousing the protagonists of RE:Monster, How Not To Summon A Demon King, and Shield Hero.
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Oct 18, 2018 01:39
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Blaze Dragon posted:Congratulations, you completely missed the point, a point the series is never exactly subtle about considering it's one of the pillars of Subaru's character. Death really, really, REALLY sucks, and constantly dying is only hurting him psychologically, not helping him. Re:Zero goes against the usual "death is fine, you'll just be brought back" by pointing out the obvious: we have a primal fear of death for a reason, now imagine going constantly through it, and worse, having your memories never really match the world due to constant resets. Considering how much death sucks he sure seems to go out of his way to find stupid ways to die
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Oct 18, 2018 02:03
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chiasaur11 posted:Youjo Senki is good, though. Do they ever explain why she doesn't just surrender? She could kick back in a POW camp until the war is over.
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Oct 18, 2018 02:39
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Vengarr posted:Do they ever explain why she doesn't just surrender? She could kick back in a POW camp until the war is over. Because she's a true believer in free market capitalism and the corporate ladder. She wants a safe spot, but she also wants a spot of power, being taken prisoner is neither of those things but it's mostly not the latter.
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Oct 18, 2018 02:46
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Vengarr posted:Do they ever explain why she doesn't just surrender? She could kick back in a POW camp until the war is over. She doesn't trust Being X to not gently caress with her when she has no power.
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Oct 18, 2018 02:49
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Vengarr posted:Do they ever explain why she doesn't just surrender? She could kick back in a POW camp until the war is over. Her first mission got her the nickname "The Devil of the Rhine". She has a history of avoiding war crimes by the narrowest of technicalities. And a lot of her foes have a personal grudge. Even aside from the aforementioned Being X thing and Tanya's natural reluctance to goldbrick, Tanya's smart enough to realize that being taken as a prisoner of war has a high chance of ending in being "shot while attempting escape".
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Oct 18, 2018 03:32
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Vengarr posted:Do they ever explain why she doesn't just surrender? She could kick back in a POW camp until the war is over. The character's goal, even before they died and were reincarnated in Shithole World War 1 World, was to ruthlessly work within the boundaries of society to achieve wealth and power; they are basically a fierce believer in meritocracy and have an enormous amount of pride in their own abilities and how hard they worked to achieve their position. They believe in meritocracy so fervently that when God Himself shows up and chats with the person who becomes Tanya at the moment of their death, Tanya mouths off and tells God "gently caress you, faith is pointless, humans get what humans get based on their own efforts instead of praying to a nebulous god who may or may not exist", which is what pisses God off enough to reincarnate her in the first place. The whole reason why she opts to join the military after being reincarnated is that she believes the military is the surest and safest path to power and status in a world on the tipping point of total warfare. She is repeatedly on the verge of getting everything she wants(a cushy, highly ranked rear-echelon position), but God Himself repeatedly fucks with her and ruins all of her plans. e: Also what chiasaur said, she's notorious enough after just a few engagements that she would likely not survive capture even if god wasn't sabotaging her at every opportunity.
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Oct 18, 2018 03:38
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Ranzear posted:He's a protagonist that does everything he can to not be a protagonist by doing his best not to embrace and write his own story. Subaru tried being a protagonist in the only way he knew how and it backfired on him hard. He also has to learn his skills/abilities the hard way (through training and experience.) His ability to Groundhog day through problems is mitigated by events transpiring differently between his resets (names changing, being taught to read/write etc.) which is a source of some of his stupid deaths. Kazuma meanwhile just has to see/be taught stuff and then spend skill points on his card to become an instant master in it and thanks to having a Goddess as a cheat item he can revolving door his deaths a bit. Heck, if anything you could say that Kazuma succeeds more because of cosmic pity because of Aqua & Eris taking pity on him Both of them solve their problems through application of their wit and using all of their resources at their disposal. Kazuma gets normal mode, Subaru gets 'Subaru Must Die' mode
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Vengarr posted:My ideal Isekai Quartet would be Kazuma shithousing the protagonists of RE:Monster, How Not To Summon A Demon King, and Shield Hero. See, How Not To Summon A Demon King is another manga I blasted through, and I actually enjoyed it quite a bit more than Overlord despite it being 200% horny? Overlord plays itself almost entirely straight but HNTSADK has some of the 'lovely neet reincarnated in fantasy world but still retains drawbacks of being a lovely neet' thing that Konosuba does. Kazuma ended up with a horribly weak class but uses his gamer instincts to find exploits to become very effective, Diablo is in his hyper-overtuned PVP chassis but makes bad decisions left and right because he can't break character from his Chuunibyou 'Demon King' persona. Might just be because I have my own history doing MMO roleplay so it hits home for me more, I dunno.
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EponymousMrYar posted:Subaru tried being a protagonist in the only way he knew how and it backfired on him hard. He also has to learn his skills/abilities the hard way (through training and experience.) His ability to Groundhog day through problems is mitigated by events transpiring differently between his resets (names changing, being taught to read/write etc.) which is a source of some of his stupid deaths. also subaru's fantasy world is the land of torture porn so agonizing death is absolutely everywhere e: Crasical posted:See, How Not To Summon A Demon King is another manga I blasted through, and I actually enjoyed it quite a bit more than Overlord despite it being 200% horny? it has creepy slavery right from the start, hard pass Yinlock fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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Oct 18, 2018 04:28
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Yinlock posted:it has creepy slavery right from the start, hard pass Okay.
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Paracelsus posted:Any chance at solving global warming has been eliminated by the thermal radiation from all the hot takes coming thick and fast here. Jackard fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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I took a look at it. The fanservice is eyerolling at best and creepy at worst, but the tone is light and the thing where he's a "Demon King" pretty much only because the role-play is the only way he can keep it together is mildly amusing. I deem it, harmless.
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Crasical posted:See, How Not To Summon A Demon King is another manga I blasted through, and I actually enjoyed it quite a bit more than Overlord despite it being 200% horny? Diablo never actually suffers any issues or difficulties due to his chuuni roleplaying; everyone either loves him or fears him, and the very few who don't he easily whoops the poo poo out of. Even when he arrogantly mouths off to major political figures it generally comes up as benefiting him. HNTSADK is basically the purest form of bland isekai wish fulfillment where the shut-in video game nerd becomes a handsome super powerful god monster and assembles a doting devoted harem and becomes a legendary hero at the center of everything. He's the Demon Sword Gram guy from Konosuba except played 100% straight. Kazuma repeatedly suffers consequences for his lovely personality flaws.
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I find it amusing to have him make a boastful speech and set off in a direction, while the internal narration goes "Wait, hold on, is the town ACTUALLY this way? It's not demon-king like to ask for directions, oh god, what if I'm walking off in the entirely wrong direction" . Or when he thinks to himself that the horns his avatar has are actually on a headband he has equipped and it's just way too late for him to mention they're fake so he's just stuck wearing them forever now. There's not, like, heavy plot consequences for not knowing how to NOT mouth off to town guards or local governors, but the inner narration informing us that he's very self aware that these are not smart things to do and just kind of [internal screaming] at not knowing other ways to deal with the problem lets the narrative poke fun at the hero. I like Kazuma and Konosuba, I disliked Ainz and Overlord. I wanted to bring up HNTSADK as a sort of intermediate point of comparison between the two.
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You know, now that I think of it, it's probably not for the best for Kazuma's general quality of life for Aqua to hear about Being X's approach. She might get ideas. Ideas that she'll horribly mangle, because she's incompetent, before abandoning, because she's incredibly lazy, sure. But that's going to be a rough week or two. ...Well, depending on how she mangles them, I suppose. Kazuma getting a free cheat item he finagles into working whenever he insults Aqua does sound like a logical result of that whole process.
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I hope the resulting skill is named: "YDUG (You drat Useless Goddess!)" or something to that effect. 
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Kanos posted:The character's goal, even before they died and were reincarnated in Shithole World War 1 World, was to ruthlessly work within the boundaries of society to achieve wealth and power; they are basically a fierce believer in meritocracy and have an enormous amount of pride in their own abilities and how hard they worked to achieve their position. They believe in meritocracy so fervently that when God Himself shows up and chats with the person who becomes Tanya at the moment of their death, Tanya mouths off and tells God "gently caress you, faith is pointless, humans get what humans get based on their own efforts instead of praying to a nebulous god who may or may not exist", which is what pisses God off enough to reincarnate her in the first place. haven't looked at it in a while, but I think she was forcibly conscripted to the army because of her magical abilities, just because Being X wanted to make sure she would want to submit to him in the first place
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She was gonna be, since they need mages that badly, so instead she volunteered and aimed for officer
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exploded mummy posted:haven't looked at it in a while, but I think she was forcibly conscripted to the army because of her magical abilities, just because Being X wanted to make sure she would want to submit to him in the first place Jackard posted:She was gonna be, since they need mages that badly, so instead she volunteered and aimed for officer Yeah, she was going to get conscripted anyway when she hit the official age of recruitment, so she joined up early so she could plan her career path optimally instead of being stuck as a powerless conscript. She acknowledges later that it was fortuitous things turned out this way because the military has all the real authority in Totally Not WW1 Germany.
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chiasaur11 posted:You know, now that I think of it, it's probably not for the best for Kazuma's general quality of life for Aqua to hear about Being X's approach. Aqua tries to engineer a global war to get Kazuma to leave the house, gets eaten by frogs. Meanwhile Megumin accidentally befriends a demon general and starts an entirely different war.
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so Isekai Ayn Rand then
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Yinlock posted:so Isekai Ayn Rand then The anime is pretty weird, tonally. From what I've read of the manga there's more emphasis on the humor of her situation; Tanya keeps trying to get plum assignments away from combat and accidentally inspires such confidence in her superiors and comrades that everyone wants her on the front lines in the thick of combat. In the anime, that's downplayed and you have this weird thing where she's pretty awful but keeps kicking rear end with the only repercussions coming from an angry god (who doesn't actually do too much). It's fun to watch to spot where the author lifts stuff from real history, though. And Tanya's VA is always excellent.
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Yeah, Tanya hates doing anything halfheartedly, and this hatred of lazyness sabotages all of Tanya's attempts to get off the frontlines because she puts all of her little 10-year old prodigy self into whatever she does, and is so good at being a soldier that she is given command of a special operations unit that the military can call upon to quickly put out fires whenever needed.
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Tanya self sabotages by doing things like writing a paper on how the only realistic thing not-germany can do to retain power is to start a world war. Then being surprised when her ideas kick off a world war.
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Her paper was more that to avoid a world war they had to either win quickly or hold ground and work the international field to get a peaceful solution. The military favored the first approach and through her was able to get a tool that could actually achieve it.
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Rodyle posted:I took a look at it. The fanservice is eyerolling at best and creepy at worst, but the tone is light and the thing where he's a "Demon King" pretty much only because the role-play is the only way he can keep it together is mildly amusing. So, addendum: This thing actually gets so much grosser than I initially thought. Don't read it!
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Rodyle posted:This thing actually gets so much grosser than I initially thought. this is how 80% of light novel experiences turn out this thing is slightly creepy, but maybe it's actually good??? oh wait it just gets worse
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Yinlock posted:this is how 80% of light novel experiences turn out The total lack of self-awareness in this particular genre kinda blows me away sometimes. Death March had a scene where the protagonist picked up some nameless demi-human slaves, and he instantly named the cat girl “Tama” and the dog girl “Pochi”. Basically, Kitty and Spot. Was this meant to highlight his callous and flippant nature? His fundamental mistake of not seeing them as equals to him? Nah, the author just has no imagination and thought it was awesome. Everyone loves it and it’s never brought up again.
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Hunt11 posted:Her paper was more that to avoid a world war they had to either win quickly or hold ground and work the international field to get a peaceful solution. The military favored the first approach and through her was able to get a tool that could actually achieve it. Then when they had the victory in their hands. They let all the enemy military relocate.
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Rodyle posted:So, addendum: Isekai strikes again
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