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I made an effortpost in the n/v thread but the Seahawks are a cash cow in Seattle, and they have a stadium that's up to date. They aren't moving.
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Benne posted:OKC jokes aside, I see no reason to worry about the Seahawks' future. They got a comfy stadium deal and established themselves as one of the league's most stable franchises. The Panthers just went for $2 billion and if the team goes up for sale, they'll comfortably beat that. (I know there are reports of Jody Allen possibly sticking around because she loves the Seahawks and will want to honor her brother's legacy, but in a soulless capitalist world, she'll likely just take the retirement money). Basically we've come a long way from the days of Paul Behring opening up offices in Anaheim. I'm kinda nervous in terms of the new owner/s potentially being a Snyder-esque type, but the team isn't going anywhere. Portland sports guy has been pretty adamant that the Blazers are unlikely to move, based on how well they do in the region. I dont follow anything NBA, so I just take his word for it. Something about being a popular franchise/big draw in a small market.
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shirts and skins posted:Pretty rich from somebody whose team already left its home city Still the dumbest take in football, when said seriously.
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Coldforge posted:Still the dumbest take in football, when said seriously. Only the most serious of takes in response to "lol they're gonna move the Seahawks to OKC" Anyway,  https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM shirts and skins fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Oct 16, 2018 10:37
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swims posted:Biased thread but- would you rather start the Carr or CJ Beatheard. Cj Beathard for me. If nothing else, he actually takes hits and does whatever he can to avoid the rush while someone comes open downfield. Carr is playing very badly right now and I am honestly worried for him mentally. He's also not hitting throws downfield at all which Beathard did okay at. Beathard still throws way too shallowly and misses too many throws, but he's totally acceptable. I'm okay with watching him play this season. If the niners hadn't come away from the run they would've had this one. As it is, I'm impressed with them for playing the Packers in Lambeau so well that they were a hair away from winning. I really didn't like that call
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Oct 16, 2018 17:21
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Everyone in this thread will be relieved to know that Cooper Kupp only has a sprained MCL and will be week to week. Doubt he plays this week against the 49ers though.
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seiferguy posted:I made an effortpost in the n/v thread but the Seahawks are a cash cow in Seattle, and they have a stadium that's up to date. They aren't moving. I don't think they're moving but it'd be stupid not to sell the team. They're pretty much at the end of their success for a while barring some draft heroics
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Oct 16, 2018 17:30
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Play posted:I really didn't like that call Oh, it was absolutely ticky tack garbage. But it's exactly the kind of move that made Niners fans bitch for YEARS about the Seahawks "holding on every play." Seeing that call sink them was just...*sniiiiff*...ahhhhh.
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Oct 16, 2018 18:15
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hifi posted:I don't think they're moving but it'd be stupid not to sell the team. They're pretty much at the end of their success for a while barring some draft heroics Success is only a tiny part of the value of an NFL franchise. As population increases, and as revenue increases, and as a bunch of other stuff continues, the valuation will increase. Plus the direct income stream from the franchise. There’s no reason to sell.
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Oct 16, 2018 19:13
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Success is only a tiny part of the value of an NFL franchise. As population increases, and as revenue increases, and as a bunch of other stuff continues, the valuation will increase. Plus the direct income stream from the franchise. Yeah valuations are going up around the league. The next franchise to sell will set a record, as will the one after that and so on. Very little reason to sell right now assuming you like money
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Success is only a tiny part of the value of an NFL franchise. As population increases, and as revenue increases, and as a bunch of other stuff continues, the valuation will increase. Plus the direct income stream from the franchise. I mean if the sister's already on the fence about keeping the team then it's not like she's going to enjoy the next 5 years or so.
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Siri, show me the 49ers season in 3 seconds https://twitter.com/PFF_Jeff/status/1052376930387783681 - losing - injury - stupid self-inflicted nonsense
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hifi posted:I mean if the sister's already on the fence about keeping the team then it's not like she's going to enjoy the next 5 years or so. I doubt she's going to pay any attention to how the team performs on the field. She's just gonna collect checks.
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iirc media revenue is shared leaguewide, so what matters for the team's bottom line is attendance, merch, licensing, etc. That is reactive to things like star power and wins, but if the team keeps filling seats.and selling jerseys then who cares. But as investments, nfl teams suck. Owning a team is a prestige thing for billionaires. The opportunity cost is likely negative, meaning, selling and investing the money elsewhere probably pays better. So what it really comes down to is whether the new owner gives a poo poo about being an nfl owner or not. Financially, it's a wash at best.
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Oct 17, 2018 05:36
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Actually, you will find that they make money and have consistently quick increases in valuation.
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Oct 17, 2018 05:43
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Actually, you will find that they make money and have consistently quick increases in valuation. That's not actually inconsistent with what LeperFlesh wrote.
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DariusLikewise posted:Everyone in this thread will be relieved to know that Cooper Kupp only has a sprained MCL and will be week to week. Doubt he plays this week against the 49ers though. I was shocked he came back into that game after the injury because it looked pretty drat bad. I know he only played that one series, but holy poo poo.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Actually, you will find that they make money and have consistently quick increases in valuation. Alright, I'll take a closer look. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/09/18/the-dallas-cowboys-head-the-nfls-most-valuable-teams-at-4-8-billion/#476554f8243f quote:The average NFL franchise is worth $2.5 billion, up 8% by FORBES’ count over last year. The Dallas Cowboys were the only NFL team worth $2 billion five years ago. Now all but five of the NFL’s 32 teams are worth at least $2 billion (the Buffalo Bills bring up the rear at $1.6 billion). $101M per team on a 2.5B valuation is not that great. It may be excellent by the standards of sports teams in general, but by the standard of billionaires making money on their investments, a 4% annual return - and note, that's EBITDA, so not actual realized cash return - is kinda poo poo. The Cowboys are quoted as the most valuable franchise, but again - a valuation of $4.8B with profits of $350M (no idea if those "profits" are EBIDTA, but probably) is an 7.3% annual return. That's... well, not bad. quote:New and renovated stadiums are adding to team coffers. The Vikings opened $1.1 billion U.S. Bank Stadium last year and venue revenue jumped more than $60 million, pushing the Vikings value up 9% to $2.4 billion (the Vikings had a 38% gain last year ahead of the opening). This is part of the reason teams love to beg for public money for their new stadiums. If the new stadium permanently returns $60M of profit (and note that's revenue, so not even EBIDTA but just raw earnings) that's a 6% annual return. However. The value of NFL teams has been increasing, and this is by far the larger source of money for NFL owners, if they sell. quote:The Dallas Cowboys were the only NFL team worth $2 billion five years ago. Now all but five of the NFL’s 32 teams are worth at least $2 billion (the Buffalo Bills bring up the rear at $1.6 billion). Dallas is special and Seattle definitely isn't Dallas. But if the team is going up in value consistently - and that has a lot to do with business decisions like favorable licensing deals - then yeah, that's a great return. If you sell. If you never sell, then you never realize that increase in value. You can borrow against it, which you might do I guess if you didn't have something else to sell for cash (you probably do). It's probably a big part of the dick-waving between billionaires that goes on all the time, because even the fabulously rich are insecure pricks who constantly compare themselves to everyone else in their perceived peer group. Hanging onto the team would make financial sense if the new owner prefers to think about selling sometime later, if/when team valuations seem to plateau? In the meantime, the cashflow generated by an average NFL team is unimpressive compared to the value. Despite the gushiness of the linked article.
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Do those numbers include all of the tax breaks or even aide revenue streams like advertising and things like that? Or just straight ticket sales, merch and TV rights?
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They do, yes. However, Forbes is making educated guesses about a lot of the numbers; other than the Packers, none of the teams are public companies, so they don't have to make quarterly public financial reports. They're undoubtedly in the right region of correct, but could be off by millions here or there. The article actually discusses licensing revenue streams a lot, as that's one of the things Jerry Jones is doing very well to generate more money for himself.
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Spoeank posted:Siri, show me the 49ers season in 3 seconds All gas, no brakes.
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:I was shocked he came back into that game after the injury because it looked pretty drat bad. I know he only played that one series, but holy poo poo. Yeah I thought for sure he tore something, even my fiancee looked over and cringe when they were showing the replays Cairo Santos seems like a nice dude, I hope some kicker-hungry team gives him a long-term deal https://twitter.com/cairosantos19/status/1052305757893353472
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DariusLikewise posted:Cairo Santos seems like a nice dude, I hope some kicker-hungry team gives him a long-term deal I thought the exact same thing. If he gets re-signed somewhere, I'll be pulling for him. . . except if he's playing the Rams.
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:I was shocked he came back into that game after the injury because it looked pretty drat bad. I know he only played that one series, but holy poo poo. It looked real bad, especially coming off on the cart. Every time I see that I think season over. The Rams are hyping their 5th round pass rusher coming off the PUP pretty hard, I hope he turns out https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/1053036325379629058
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Play posted:Cj Beathard for me. If nothing else, he actually takes hits and does whatever he can to avoid the rush while someone comes open downfield. Carr is playing very badly right now and I am honestly worried for him mentally. He's also not hitting throws downfield at all which Beathard did okay at. Beathard still throws way too shallowly and misses too many throws, but he's totally acceptable. I'm okay with watching him play this season. The Rams are going to need to play sharp on Sunday, the Niners are going into that game believing they can win. But we'll probably lose by two points. It's last season all over again.
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mllaneza posted:The Rams are going to need to play sharp on Sunday, the Niners are going into that game believing they can win. But we'll probably lose by two points. It's last season all over again. Yes they are going to need to play well. It's not a gimme by any stretch of the imagination. DariusLikewise posted:The Rams are hyping their 5th round pass rusher coming off the PUP pretty hard, I hope he turns out 
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Larry Fitzgerald got donked in the nuts by Chris Harris celebrating a PBU and it was like the 100th most apt thing that summarized the game
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I abandoned the game at halftime to watch LeBron, was Rosen's injury as bad as it sounded on Twitter? Also why was he even playing that late in the game?
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Oct 19, 2018 05:55
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Benne posted:I abandoned the game at halftime to watch LeBron, was Rosen's injury as bad as it sounded on Twitter? Also why was he even playing that late in the game? You're stronger than I am, I couldn't watch past about minute 16 of the first half. The Good Place is still an excellent show, I highly recommend it.
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Benne posted:I abandoned the game at halftime to watch LeBron, was Rosen's injury as bad as it sounded on Twitter? Also why was he even playing that late in the game? Abandoning any NFL game to watch NBA is dumb and stupid. Stop it.
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:Abandoning any NFL game to watch NBA is dumb and stupid. Stop it. With the A's out, the Warriors are literally all I have. Don't even try to take it from me.
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Oct 19, 2018 11:06
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:Abandoning any NFL game to watch NBA is dumb and stupid. Stop it. I'm not sure I'd call what happened last night "an NFL game". And if you're a Warriors fan you should watch every minute of that dynasty that you can.
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:Abandoning any NFL game to watch NBA is dumb and stupid. Stop it. Counterpoint, abandoning a bad sport for any reason is good and smart
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Leperflesh posted:The Good Place is still an excellent show, I highly recommend it. So true
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I can't recall seeing a team as badly coached as the Cardinals, yikes.
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