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Real Nito posted:You gotta start somewhere. Solo pvp is rough, you are the lone fish in an ocean where there are always bigger fish and more fish than you. I'd stick to a tier3 battlecruiser, the ones that can have the BS guns, and engage people at distance (greater than 20k). Get a long point, shoot weapons and keep away from Web/Scram range and you can do fairly well. If something fast lands at distance and burns towards you, burn away and try to blap them if they have low transversal. I was thinking a Myrmidon might be the sweet spot. I'm better with drones than BS guns, and it has a bonus to active armor tank. It used to be my favourite ship, until they nerfed it by adding Drone Bandwidth so it couldn't use 5 heavy drones 
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Rutibex posted:I was thinking a Myrmidon might be the sweet spot. I'm better with drones than BS guns, and it has a bonus to active armor tank. Can't go wrong with a double or triple repped Myrmidon. I mean you can, but they used to be the kings of Low-Sec gates. I'd still suggest the Tier3 BC's though, the range advantage keeps you alive. Grappling at 0 doesn't let you disengage if they fight turns sideways when 10 people dogpile on top of you. If you do decide on BS's, get that sweet sweet Micro Jump Drive.
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Last time I have tried a Myrmidon, I wanted to biomass my chars and play STO fulltime. And now to my questions for today: 1. how much can I make with a Rorqual per hour ? 2. dual auxiliary shield rep fit vs. something else I can't decide, but paying a loving billion for capital aux shield booster seems stupid cause the drones cost more than the ship. There is 1254 threads about this on goonfleet.com, but I am not willing to deal with min/maxers and owners of 25 mining chars. I need something that would go nicely with playing Cities Skylines on the other monitor. It would be really nice if that fit could also murder stuff.
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When does CONCORD attack you in HS? If you're using missiles, does it attack when you launch or when they hit? Is a tornado really the only viable option for HS piracy?
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voodoospork posted:When does CONCORD attack you in HS? If you're using missiles, does it attack when you launch or when they hit? Is a tornado really the only viable option for HS piracy? when you activate any offensive module (smartbombs turn you criminal when you do damage). when you launch. no, blaster ships are usually the best for group ganking, then tornados for people trying to kill something fast with little setup
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:blaster ships are usually the best for group ganking, then tornados for people trying to kill something fast with little setup How does that work? How do they survive long enough to out-DPS the alpha from artillery? We're trying to work out the minimum necessary investment to get a HS gank squad launched so that we can see if the operation pans out at all before pumping enough money into it to snag the whales.
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voodoospork posted:How does that work? How do they survive long enough to out-DPS the alpha from artillery? We're trying to work out the minimum necessary investment to get a HS gank squad launched so that we can see if the operation pans out at all before pumping enough money into it to snag the whales. From what I have heard posted in this thread a gang of Catalysts is the best bet for disposable/damage ratio.
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voodoospork posted:How does that work? How do they survive long enough to out-DPS the alpha from artillery? We're trying to work out the minimum necessary investment to get a HS gank squad launched so that we can see if the operation pans out at all before pumping enough money into it to snag the whales. Concord doesn't show up the instant you shoot someone, its response time is based on the security status of the system. In a. 5 system you have around 18s before it shows up so high dps ships like the catalyst are very cost effective.
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Robo Captain posted:Concord doesn't show up the instant you shoot someone, its response time is based on the security status of the system. In a. 5 system you have around 18s before it shows up so high dps ships like the catalyst are very cost effective. What is the response time like in .9?
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Oct 19, 2018 03:26
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please leave the highsec ganking to the professionals
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leave eroding wormhole quality of life down to splinters to me
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:please leave the highsec ganking to the professionals Where's the execution hurdle? It seems to be mostly target selection. Doesn't pyfa take the bulk of the work out of that? These killmails make it look a whole lot like these guys are getting paid for firing one shot at the right target. Isn't that the business to be in?
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voodoospork posted:Where's the execution hurdle? It seems to be mostly target selection. Doesn't pyfa take the bulk of the work out of that? These killmails make it look a whole lot like these guys are getting paid for firing one shot at the right target. Isn't that the business to be in? go do it then if it's so easy
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voodoospork posted:Where's the execution hurdle? It seems to be mostly target selection. Doesn't pyfa take the bulk of the work out of that? These killmails make it look a whole lot like these guys are getting paid for firing one shot at the right target. Isn't that the business to be in? Kill mails only show the dps story, they don't show the scanning, bumping, looting, pulling, dealing with AG, suicide pointing, math to make it profitable and the nth% chance that ccp will ban you for almost no explainable reason even if you didn't break the rules (unless you're globby then the reason is ccp hates you)
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Oct 19, 2018 05:45
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voodoospork posted:Where's the execution hurdle? It seems to be mostly target selection. Doesn't pyfa take the bulk of the work out of that? These killmails make it look a whole lot like these guys are getting paid for firing one shot at the right target. Isn't that the business to be in? lol
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:What if I make a new scam in Eve based around crypto If you are able to pull it off then fair play to you! 
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There is a lot of diversity of suicide ganking; You can gank Freighters, Deep Space Transports, Industrials, Blockade Runners, Shuttles, Pods, Random Blingy poo poo, Mission Runners, Site Runners, Traveling Incursion Runners, Site Running Incursion Runners, Jump Freighters, and Miner Ganking profitably, and there are other activities that you can do like Stream Sniping, Suspect Baiting, Dueling/Scaming, and War Deccing that comes relatively easy once you have a consistent highsec presence. This doesn't even mention the myriad of ways to do each activity, for example: Freighter ganking fleets can be a pre-planned operation where people setup in a system before hand and kill anything/everything that comes through (or just cherry picks good targets), or it could be a flash form for a large freighter that is already bumped (tackled). Deep Space Transports can be simply scanned and killed with positive security status Vexors that sit on the gate, or a Bumping Garmur/Dramiel could be used to tackle them long enough for you to scan and land a fleet of tornados on the DST. You could also shoot auto-piloting shuttles with thrashers and kill the capsule- hoping it's huge, or you can setup a citadel in the warp tunnel the shuttle is passing through, and smart bomb the shuttle the same tick it passes through that area of space, killing it in the middle of warp. There are so many ways and things to do in highsec; It used to be the area of infinite content- you always had more retards you could scam, or gank, or get on teamspeak and convince to send you nudes of themselves covered in peanut butter, but recently highsec has lost the majority of its actual players. With the introduction of the rorqual, almost all highsec miners have left highsec over the last year or so, and the number of mission runners has fallen off a cliff. There are also significantly more bots in highsec too, like the guy who does distribution missions with his 100 alpha accounts who still isn't banned yet. The freighter traffic is all but dead anywhere outside of EUTZ, and even the numbers in EUTZ are significantly less than they used to be. All of the gankers have noticed this and it's super disheartening to sit in a system for 4 hours and have no freighters come through, because even as early as 2 years ago we never actually ran out of targets. This is also due in part to Jump Freighters completely making counter-logistics impossible as they can just teleport in 100% safety to anywhere they want with hundreds of billions, and everyone is gravitating towards them. The 'execution hurdle' of freighter ganking is finding targets worth while to gank, successfully 'bumping' the target and avoiding any of their potential anti-bumping countermeasures, and putting enough dps on the target and looting it before any buttfuckers come and try and rep it or steal loot. Each one of these steps takes a while to 'git good' at, especially bumping where one probably needs 30-40 hours of practice minimum to become consistent enough to not lose targets who are just pressing warp away, and probably another 50+ to be able to beat freighters that use 'counter measures' such as using an alt to burn warpouts, warping to warpout perches/bookmarks, watching local so they don't log off and disappear, being able to provide warpins for the dps fleet and 'slow bumping', and not taking 45 minutes to bump a freighter off of gate guns. Basically, Ganking is 'easy' if you're good at this game, but that's also because we're players who have no-lifed this game for years literally picking on braindead retarded monkeys who probably struggle to feed themselves every night. If you have any specific questions I'll answer any you have about anything, as I am the best ganker in the game.
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:and smart bomb the shuttle the same tick it passes through that area of space, killing it in the middle of warp. this game
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yogizh posted:Last time I have tried a Myrmidon, I wanted to biomass my chars and play STO fulltime. If you take a baseline of spod as what you will spend most of your time mining, its about 120-150m per hour. There are a million and one variables though. Perching and switching rocks eats into the isk p/h and choosing a bigger rock can reduce the isk p/h since its longer travel time for the drones to get back to you from the other side of the roid and excavs are slow as balls. Otoh if you hit public fracks with say a double r64 that has jackpotted you can be looking at billion p/h. All depends on the effort you want to put in and what you mine.
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Mr. Pickles posted:this game https://streamable.com/vwqv6
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yogizh posted:Last time I have tried a Myrmidon, I wanted to biomass my chars and play STO fulltime. On a good day, you'll make between 125m to 175m per hour with the rorqual. But this number can drop pretty drat fast due to circumstances such as: Distance you park from the rock, size of the rock, whether you cycle down at the right time or forget about it and spend an entire cycle mining nothing. Or the ultimate worse, 25 rorquals belonging to the same guy showing up in your belt, hovering the good stuff and then loving off to god knows where when the Ochre is left. To be quite honest, if you don't currently have a Rorqual, its no longer worth getting one unless you plan on multiboxing a bunch of them. If you're going to stick to one or two characters, get a super. A super will net you about 300b per hour if you play it right.
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Which one of you shits is this:
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i absolutely love that jita isk doubling scam is just as big in buttcoin
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Dalael posted:A super will net you about 300b per hour if you play it right.  Which anomalies are you running?
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Rutibex posted:
I don't own one. This is just the number most super owner like to throw around. I admit it could be far less and I wouldn't know. I'm too poor for a super.
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Palatine Keepstar here I come! We'll have the funds by Sunday at that rate. Now to find nerds for the logistics.
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Jesus i only just noticed my mistake. I meant 300m an hour.
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DrHammond posted:Palatine Keepstar here I come! the logistics don't exist, as it has been explained to me there isn't enough PI in the game to craft the components
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begging for a palpatine keepstar is a good way to cause blood pressure spikes in people who actually know what the hell they're doing
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Micromancer posted:the logistics don't exist, as it has been explained to me there isn't enough PI in the game to craft the components Gimmie 300B/hr and I'll bet I could invigorate the PI market enough to get autists injecting hoards of new PI characters. Although I'd have to poopsock it for the liquidity to cover that whole sector of the market. Actually that sounds miserable, never mind.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:begging for a palpatine keepstar is a good way to cause blood pressure spikes in people who actually know what the hell they're doing https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/7t577n/why_hasnt_anyone_built_a_palatine_keepstar_yet/ quote:I am continually annoyed by industrial incompetents on /r/eve who suggest in every thread having to do with a Keepstar, that Goons or Pandemic Legion/NC./GOTG/whoever build a Palatine Keepstar, as if its even an option. This thread is to educate the pubbie mob as to why this is a dumb idea and perhaps, to preserve my sanity, they can be regularly shouted down whenever the topic arises. tldr: Tusy is just lazy 
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Okay yeah, I'm an idiot who didn't want to math. gently caress that.
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For what it's worth, I'm willing to provide the 8 Morphite if ever comes the time to build one.
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It doesn't even do anything. The only reason to build a palpatine keepstar is if you desperately want to attract a fleet of everyone in EVE (trying to get on the killmail).
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Rutibex posted:It doesn't even do anything. The only reason to build a palpatine keepstar is if you desperately want to attract a fleet of everyone in EVE (trying to get on the killmail). Yes but did you check out the rims on that thing?
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Rutibex posted:It doesn't even do anything. The only reason to build a palpatine keepstar is if you desperately want to attract a fleet of everyone in EVE (trying to get on the killmail). Maybe that is what goons should do. Build one in the heart of their territory and tell the world "come and get it".
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If they made The Palpatine Keepstar worth while I think it would be built. But it would have to be a really cool and unique power. Like change the name to the "Domination Sphere" and whoever builds it gets a x% tax imposed on every transaction in the entire game (you get to set X at whatever you want). The entire game is going to unite to destroy it anyway, at least give it a mechanical/thematic reason for that to happen.
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:There is a lot of diversity of suicide ganking; You can gank Freighters, Deep Space Transports, Industrials, Blockade Runners, Shuttles, Pods, Random Blingy poo poo, Mission Runners, Site Runners, Traveling Incursion Runners, Site Running Incursion Runners, Jump Freighters, and Miner Ganking profitably, and there are other activities that you can do like Stream Sniping, Suspect Baiting, Dueling/Scaming, and War Deccing that comes relatively easy once you have a consistent highsec presence. This doesn't even mention the myriad of ways to do each activity, for example: Freighter ganking fleets can be a pre-planned operation where people setup in a system before hand and kill anything/everything that comes through (or just cherry picks good targets), or it could be a flash form for a large freighter that is already bumped (tackled). Deep Space Transports can be simply scanned and killed with positive security status Vexors that sit on the gate, or a Bumping Garmur/Dramiel could be used to tackle them long enough for you to scan and land a fleet of tornados on the DST. You could also shoot auto-piloting shuttles with thrashers and kill the capsule- hoping it's huge, or you can setup a citadel in the warp tunnel the shuttle is passing through, and smart bomb the shuttle the same tick it passes through that area of space, killing it in the middle of warp. I really appreciate the information. I'm definitely still a newbie at this game, but my trading is taking off pretty decently, and you just aren't experiencing Eve properly until it's at someone else's expense. So we have some money to spend and really want to take some candy from babies. How would you break into this with a core of 3 people? Is it as easy as taking some Catalysts out to Niarja and picking off the weakest from the herd? I'm the guy who rotates through his orders for hours on end, constantly updating, so annoying or tedious doesn't really represent an obstacle to me. Bumping sounds important, but I have only a basic knowledge of it. You just collide with an enemy ship to knock them out of alignment or move them away from something, right? Does simply approaching them not work? Do you need to anticipate heading and move ahead of them? I know these are really noob questions, but that's the situation. Edit: I'm ready to fail a bunch before nailing this, and having a passive scanner with fitting export ready to load their build into pyfa is where we're at right now. I figure we can use an alt for that so we can have a full 3 combat vessels available to gank. Can we really go as low as three destroyers and have viable targets to pilfer? voodoospork fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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notaspy posted:Maybe that is what goons should do. I for one, am in no hurry to repeat the Casino war.
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