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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Furnaceface posted:

remove the flood protections put in place after the last hurricane hit.

The one that hit 64 years ago? Yeah, that is definitely not a factor in the mind of anyone in the OPC cabinet right now.

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Kreez
Oct 18, 2003

Franks Happy Place posted:

It's probably Quebec, their system is the dumbest by design.

BC runs a close second because all the local governments want to ban production in industrial/commercial/anywhere, and they're now banned from most of the ALR, so I guess 15,000 BC micro growers (aka 90% of the weed grown in Canada, desperately needed to be brought into the licit market) will just situate their farms on floating barges, or maybe in special grow blimps up in the sky. Definitely not in Langley that's for sure.

What are the rules with weed and the ALR? I'm always interested in ALR stuff.

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

vyelkin posted:

My dude, did you forget about how he also ruined the Toronto election for no reason?
Also, flirting with starting a constitutional crisis in the process.

Syfe
Jun 12, 2006


Nothing like standing up to the province and letting them know that your first act as premiere is to settle an old score.
:allears:

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

The Butcher posted:

Postman just brought me weed. I mean he's been doing that for years but this is the first time I had to sign for it.

Dude was laughing and said it's a very popular box today, being the first day it could be delivered if you bought day 1.

Sent me off with "Enjoy!" lol.

What kind of package does it come in? Just the standard nondescript Canada Post box? Or is just the weed itself in that little box

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Franks Happy Place posted:

It's probably Quebec, their system is the dumbest by design.

BC runs a close second because all the local governments want to ban production in industrial/commercial/anywhere, and they're now banned from most of the ALR, so I guess 15,000 BC micro growers (aka 90% of the weed grown in Canada, desperately needed to be brought into the licit market) will just situate their farms on floating barges, or maybe in special grow blimps up in the sky. Definitely not in Langley that's for sure.

Whats your opinion on Ontario's rules?

Willatron
Sep 22, 2009

EvilJoven posted:

Pallister's gonna get a second term for sure so you best bite the pillow there boys cuz he's goin' in dry.

If the election were tomorrow, you'd absolutely be right.

However, lot can change in two years, and the long term effects of the recent uptick in meth-related crime in Winnipeg after his cuts to addictions counseling combined with overly restrictive pot laws could (and I mean it when I say COULD, you're also not necessarily wrong either) sway favour to the NDP, or hell even enough Liberals and Greens in some ridings, to unseat a few PC MLAs. I'm not saying the PC's are done or for sure going to lose, I'm just saying October, 2020 is pretty far off, declaring Pallister victory now is premature to say the least.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


We have a municipal election today and have a nazi running along with a lackey he has tagging along under a fake name, wish me luck!

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Kreez posted:

What are the rules with weed and the ALR? I'm always interested in ALR stuff.

No cannabis related projects on ALR can move forward without getting local government approval for a non-farm-use application, which gives every little dickweed council in BC a chance to veto projects they don't understand. Which is all of them. It's a disaster.

Ontario is fine, although they have a total lack of any kind of craft producer friendly supply agreements or anything so you'll end up with bulk schwag and corporate mergers. But that's currently also a national problem because nobody thought it would be a good idea to license any of the craft growers before Day 1.

And I can't exactly make fun of Ontario for having no physical stores when the delay was for the 'right reason' and BC somehow also managed to gently caress up retail without any of Ontario's excuses soooooo...

Kreez
Oct 18, 2003

Franks Happy Place posted:

No cannabis related projects on ALR can move forward without getting local government approval for a non-farm-use application, which gives every little dickweed council in BC a chance to veto projects they don't understand. Which is all of them. It's a disaster.

I found this just now:
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2018AGRI0050-001390

It reads to me that local council can't prohibit open field growing in the soil, they only get a say if it's an indoor/industrial (or whatever you'd call it) operation on a concrete pad, which I doubt the province would allow in the first place on ALR land?

Is this a case of open field growing being economically uncompetitive, effectively making ALR land useless for cannabis growing? Or is the news release just incorrect?

Syfe
Jun 12, 2006


Franks Happy Place posted:

No cannabis related projects on ALR can move forward without getting local government approval for a non-farm-use application, which gives every little dickweed council in BC a chance to veto projects they don't understand. Which is all of them. It's a disaster.

Ontario is fine, although they have a total lack of any kind of craft producer friendly supply agreements or anything so you'll end up with bulk schwag and corporate mergers. But that's currently also a national problem because nobody thought it would be a good idea to license any of the craft growers before Day 1.

And I can't exactly make fun of Ontario for having no physical stores when the delay was for the 'right reason' and BC somehow also managed to gently caress up retail without any of Ontario's excuses soooooo...

This seemed to be what's happening in Ontario as well as my city had a news story about the council getting recommendations to never let their be a private store in town, lest hell reign from on high.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Hey now, Brian Taylor, co-founder and former leader of the BC Marijuana Party is probably going to get elected mayor of Grand Forks, BC, again, today... He's been mayor there for a healthy chunk of the last twenty years and I suspect he's "weed on ALR" friendly.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Franks Happy Place posted:

No cannabis related projects on ALR can move forward without getting local government approval for a non-farm-use application, which gives every little dickweed council in BC a chance to veto projects they don't understand. Which is all of them. It's a disaster.

Even before cannabis legalization there was concern about greenhouses on ALR so this is not much new. There has always been much concern around paving over of high quality ALR soil.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
From the openest white supremacist in us congress
https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/1052390445735706624?s=19

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

Willatron posted:

If the election were tomorrow, you'd absolutely be right.

However, lot can change in two years, and the long term effects of the recent uptick in meth-related crime in Winnipeg after his cuts to addictions counseling combined with overly restrictive pot laws could (and I mean it when I say COULD, you're also not necessarily wrong either) sway favour to the NDP, or hell even enough Liberals and Greens in some ridings, to unseat a few PC MLAs. I'm not saying the PC's are done or for sure going to lose, I'm just saying October, 2020 is pretty far off, declaring Pallister victory now is premature to say the least.

This would be a possible scenario if the public were educated or the left were actually willing to try to educate people but instead 2 years from now Pallister is going to win while promising more efforts to be strong on crime while the left flounders in their attempt to convince the public that the proper course of action is to combat the root cause of this increase in crime and will fail to deflect all the negative press about Wab Kinew's admitted less than stellar past.

And once the left fails there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth and even more yelling about how all of the failures of the left is anything but their fault.

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

EvilJoven posted:

This would be a possible scenario if the public were educated or the left were actually willing to try to educate people but instead 2 years from now Pallister is going to win while promising more efforts to be strong on crime while the left flounders in their attempt to convince the public that the proper course of action is to combat the root cause of this increase in crime and will fail to deflect all the negative press about Wab Kinew's admitted less than stellar past.

And once the left fails there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth and even more yelling about how all of the failures of the left is anything but their fault.

Do you think 'the left' is a unified political party or something? Your post reminds me of that one Mexican dude that posted a big rant in this thread cause he was mad at 'Canada', except in your case the it's "the left"

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
EvilJoven blamed the left for Cville.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012
I mean, yeah, the left doesn’t really have a political party in Canada right now and it’s a big problem

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




I will be your left wing party. Lend me your guillotines, we can do this.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Terror Sweat posted:

What kind of package does it come in? Just the standard nondescript Canada Post box? Or is just the weed itself in that little box

It's not even a canada post box, it's a totally plain brown square one, maybe 3/4's of a foot on each side.

Standard shipping label, but does of course say sender is "BCCS".

Line of red security tape over the whole middle.

So fairly discrete but still going to be pretty obvious to everyone who sees a bit of mail within a few weeks.

Kinda a pain in the rear end because canada post always delivers during business hours to my place, so I'm never gonna be there.

Usually get everything shipped to my office but even legal I don't really want the receptionist taking note of stuff like that.

Previously they could just stick the "BOB'S NUTRIENT SUPPLEMENTS" small packages or whatever the fake name was in my mailbox. This box is way too big even if there wasn't the signature / ID requirement (though the postman was just like, oh, you look way older than me, no need for that"... Dick.)

Bit of a downgrade from the gray market, but who coulda seen that coming eh?

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Kreez posted:

I found this just now:
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2018AGRI0050-001390

It reads to me that local council can't prohibit open field growing in the soil, they only get a say if it's an indoor/industrial (or whatever you'd call it) operation on a concrete pad, which I doubt the province would allow in the first place on ALR land?

Is this a case of open field growing being economically uncompetitive, effectively making ALR land useless for cannabis growing? Or is the news release just incorrect?

Growing in dirt is a very limited application for the purposes of weed (like you can produce decent plants but they are not "premium" and can't serve as such) because you can't control the climate, so you're never going to grow elite stuff straight in the dirt in a soft-shell greenhouse with no climate control.

On top of that, Health Canada's insane regulations require concrete surfaces for all of their GMP and quality assurance regulations. How can I do an ALR project with zero concrete when the government makes me build a fence and sink posts? How can I meet Health Canada's QA and testing standards in a dirt-floored room?

Also the regulations are prejudicial to cannabis agriculture since you can pour concrete for ginseng and a host of other farm applications. This has nothing to do with 'ruining' good soil, or the regulations would have stated you can only build cannabis facilities in marginal ALR land or whatever. Half the loving ALR is fallow and unused, this is anti-cannabis NIMBY stupidity.

It's loving dumb.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

So excited for him to finally get laid
https://twitter.com/samoosterhoff/status/1053768724375719936

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

she looks more inbred and brainless than he does

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 9, 2022

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Not long now until Vancouver election results at 8 PST. Looking most likely to be former NDP MP Kennedy Stewart as Mayor.

I think it's going to be a good night for COPE, Vancouver's socialist party, which has been kept out of council for quite some time. The right is spread quite thin while COPE has a very passionate base and has put forward a short three person slate. The polls haven't been good for the progressive Yimby party One City, but Kennedy Stewart and the Vancouver District Labour Council has been pumping that two person slate very, very hard in the last few days of the campaign (I got a mailer with Kennedy on one side and One City on the other) and I wonder if at least one of them could squeeze into council.

Otherwise I think the Greens are going to have a good night since people are somewhat exhausted with the current majority Vision slate and the Greens, the other vaguely centrist political party in Vancouver, make a good default alternative that is not the right of centre NPA.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

Femtosecond posted:

Not long now until Vancouver election results at 8 PST. Looking most likely to be former NDP MP Kennedy Stewart as Mayor.

I think it's going to be a good night for COPE, Vancouver's socialist party, which has been kept out of council for quite some time. The right is spread quite thin while COPE has a very passionate base and has put forward a short three person slate. The polls haven't been good for the progressive Yimby party One City, but Kennedy Stewart and the Vancouver District Labour Council has been pumping that two person slate very, very hard in the last few days of the campaign (I got a mailer with Kennedy on one side and One City on the other) and I wonder if at least one of them could squeeze into council.

Otherwise I think the Greens are going to have a good night since people are somewhat exhausted with the current majority Vision slate and the Greens, the other vaguely centrist political party in Vancouver, make a good default alternative that is not the right of centre NPA.

Whew, I was worried it would be Wai Young (not)

Normy
Jul 1, 2004

Do I Krushchev?


I need TVIV style election commentary please thread

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

THC posted:



WOULD YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT CONGESTION JESUS CHRIST

This guy was just elected lol

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Retro Futurist posted:

We have a municipal election today and have a nazi running along with a lackey he has tagging along under a fake name, wish me luck!

They got a disturbing amount of votes, but were several thousand shy of making council :toot:

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Normy posted:

I need TVIV style election commentary please thread

Can we get some public funding for it?

Kreez
Oct 18, 2003

Franks Happy Place posted:

Growing in dirt is a very limited application for the purposes of weed (like you can produce decent plants but they are not "premium" and can't serve as such) because you can't control the climate, so you're never going to grow elite stuff straight in the dirt in a soft-shell greenhouse with no climate control.

On top of that, Health Canada's insane regulations require concrete surfaces for all of their GMP and quality assurance regulations. How can I do an ALR project with zero concrete when the government makes me build a fence and sink posts? How can I meet Health Canada's QA and testing standards in a dirt-floored room?

Also the regulations are prejudicial to cannabis agriculture since you can pour concrete for ginseng and a host of other farm applications. This has nothing to do with 'ruining' good soil, or the regulations would have stated you can only build cannabis facilities in marginal ALR land or whatever. Half the loving ALR is fallow and unused, this is anti-cannabis NIMBY stupidity.

It's loving dumb.

Ok, that makes sense.

I could be completely wrong here, but I'm guessing there's a good chance it isn't so much anti-cannabis NIMBYism, as it is the BC government's apathy towards adding things to the list of "what's allowed". The enabling legislation for most of the permitting, licensing, zoning, etc all comes from a bazillion years ago, tends to operate on a "if it's not explicitly authorized it's not allowed" basis, and changing anything is a pain in the rear end. Unless a whole bunch of people with the ability to complain in the press make a stink about it, meetings with civil servants and whatever MLAs are willing to return your calls basically go nowhere.

For example, when the ALR legislation was created, the concept of a brewery smaller than a Molson plant didn't exist, so instead of putting rules about x% of land must be used for growing stuff, and y% of raw materials used on site must be grown on site (as was done for wine, and makes perfect sense) the legislation doesn't even mention brewing, and breweries are to this day not allowed on ALR land. You can buy a 2 acre lot, build a 10,000ft McMansion on it, and "farm" $200 worth of hay per year, but you can't use that land to farm $50k+ worth of hops, and have a little 2,000sqft brewery to use them in. This rule will absolutely change the minute the craft beer industry decides it's going to be a lobbying priority and whips every craft beer nerd on twitter up into a frenzy, gets the garbage pay for coverage lifestyle blogs to write articles, and eventually get the major new outlets complaining about how behind the times the government is being. Until then, nobody in government is going to do anything more than be pleasant during the 30 minutes they allot to every would be ALR brewrey builder who tries to plead their case.

Or someone who has donated $200,000 to the sitting government over the last 20 years really doesn't want cannabis grown on ALR land for whatever reason, and made it happen.

Majuju
Dec 30, 2006

I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.

Femtosecond posted:

Not long now until Vancouver election results at 8 PST. Looking most likely to be former NDP MP Kennedy Stewart as Mayor.

I think it's going to be a good night for COPE, Vancouver's socialist party, which has been kept out of council for quite some time. The right is spread quite thin while COPE has a very passionate base and has put forward a short three person slate. The polls haven't been good for the progressive Yimby party One City, but Kennedy Stewart and the Vancouver District Labour Council has been pumping that two person slate very, very hard in the last few days of the campaign (I got a mailer with Kennedy on one side and One City on the other) and I wonder if at least one of them could squeeze into council.

Otherwise I think the Greens are going to have a good night since people are somewhat exhausted with the current majority Vision slate and the Greens, the other vaguely centrist political party in Vancouver, make a good default alternative that is not the right of centre NPA.

well at this time the NPA have five councillors in position with a sixth just out of the running, and ken sim's behind by only 60 votes, lmao

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

healthy lead for kennedy stewart now. and the last votes to come in will probably be the downtown polls that were late to finish voting, likely to break left

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib
Not anymore! :suicide:

This is a nail biter.

less than three fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Oct 21, 2018

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
Hm mostly NPA and Green council. Whelp RIP getting anything actually useful done.

I imagine it will be pretty easy for them to find common ground to vote together for whatever changes nothing at all in the sea of SFH while still bending over backwards to give developers whatever they want outside of it.

Wai Young eating poo poo is my personal highlight, but still even 6% is a little disturbing for what should be a joke candidate.

Just remains to be seen who pulls out for mayor.

The Butcher fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Oct 21, 2018

sitchensis
Mar 4, 2009

Leonard Krog was just voted in as mayor of Nanaimo. He said if he won he would step down as an NDP MLA.

Folks, we are about to get the by-election of the century. If the NDP lose this seat, it could destabilize the provincial government.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

sitchensis posted:

Leonard Krog was just voted in as mayor of Nanaimo. He said if he won he would step down as an NDP MLA.

Folks, we are about to get the by-election of the century. If the NDP lose this seat, it could destabilize the provincial government.

You scared me for a second there but just checked and it was 12,700 NDP vs 8,900 LIB.

Can't imagine Lib support in Nanaimo is higher now than it was in the last federal election.

This one is probably safe. I'd imagine the dude wouldn't have made the switch if he also didn't think otherwise.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

sitchensis posted:

Leonard Krog was just voted in as mayor of Nanaimo. He said if he won he would step down as an NDP MLA.

Folks, we are about to get the by-election of the century. If the NDP lose this seat, it could destabilize the provincial government.

Crushing victory for Doug McCallum / Safe Surrey Coalition is unremarked on since no goons are willing to admit to living in Surrey, but that'll have repercussions. 1) LRT that was practically underway cancelled in favour of skytrain 2) They're (by far) the biggest RCMP detachment around and they're looking to replace them with a municipal / regional police force.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

The Butcher posted:

Just remains to be seen who pulls out for mayor.

It'll be Stewart. There's no way Sim catches up now, and CTV has already called it.

And Nanaimo is an NDP stronghold with the BC Libs losing a lot of popularity since the last election. Not really that major.

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James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

CLAM DOWN posted:

It'll be Stewart. There's no way Sim catches up now, and CTV has already called it.

lol, five minutes later, with 120/133 polls:

Kennedy Stewart: 40,271
Ken Sim: 39,969

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