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KozmoNaut posted:The world has moved on, Winamp isn't really relevant anymore. I'd still like it as an option for local playback. Call it dumb old syndrome but I'm comfortable with the way WinAmp looks and feels. barbecue at the folks posted:I always wondered as a kid how awful Mac users must have it, they had to use QuickTime Player for everything. The horror.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:iTunes was at its best when it was SoundJam MP. Everything apple did to it since they bought it seemingly took it down hill. It’s old and terribly bloated now, and the interface is the absolute worst. The database-driven metadata navigation stuff is shuffled away into a basically hidden feature now. It’s just depressing.
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Oct 20, 2018 14:35
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Am I the only dirty old grognard that stores  for music locally? They can't take access away whenever they feel like it that way.I even organize my by directory. One of the reason's why I paid for Poweramp on Android way back when was the ability to browse by folders.I have interesting tastes, I suppose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a6EOyaMdqY
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Oct 20, 2018 16:16
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Vanagoon posted:Am I the only dirty old grognard that stores Nah, I keep my music on my NAS, all 200gb of it. About half of it is rips from my own CD’s, the rest is . I load selected playlists on my phone and old iPods updated with huge flash cards and listen to music that way.
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Oct 20, 2018 16:24
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I have a big directory of MP3’s but most of them are late 90’s bitrates, Untagged, and otherwise garbage. I just use Apple Music. I yell at Siri about what I want to listen to and she for the most part brings it up correctly.
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Oct 20, 2018 17:26
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Vanagoon posted:Am I the only dirty old grognard that stores That’s the other reason I loved iTunes, well really the idea of iTunes. At the time it made sense to have your own music files stored locally, where Carnivore couldn’t take it away from you or whatever we were afraid of snooping for you talking about “impy trees” on IRC DRM that could not render your music unplayable if you went offline? Instead of monthly streaming services where all that money is just thrown away with no music left behind if you cancel? Breaking the album model and allowing a la carte purchases? That’s downright consumer friendly! ... only now the Spotify model has taken over anyway, music has turned into a ubiquitous cloud service, and if someone wants to hear a specific song they just pull it up on YouTube. I find myself wondering why I ever thought this was so important
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Oct 20, 2018 17:41
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YouTube really is the only actually good streaming service. The artists get their cut, every song is there, and if it gets taken down, someone will reupload it
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Oct 20, 2018 17:48
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Forget winamp, xmms for life! Wikipedia posted:Last release 1.2.11 (November 16, 2007; 10 years ago) 
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Vanagoon posted:Am I the only dirty old grognard that stores Yeah I do this too. Just got a bunch of CD's from family, gonna rip the whole pile. (Australian version of "supercalifragisliticexpealidotious???") Only thing I miss from iTunes is how intricate the playlists could be. I would set up dynamic playlists, play them all day on an iPod, sync them, and it'd replace the 'played' tracks with fresh ones. Then that stopped working with some version of iTunes, and I got sick of every newer version, the podcasts app on iPhone was trash, and what was the point of dealing with their poo poo apps anymore. The Big Word posted:Itunes was at its best like five years ago when they had the album view that would generate a bitchin colour palette for the tracklist based on the cover art. gently caress em for getting rid of that + the giant album cover home screen on ios. I realize this is terribly 1998 of me, but music players should not ever use the color white. (As I type this I notice that my player Clementine, being a Linux port to windows, has some white UI elements, but decide I don't care.) doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 18:36 on Oct 20, 2018 |
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Oct 20, 2018 18:32
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Unless I can find every album/song I'd ever want to hear on one streaming service and be confident it will be available forever I'm never going to abandon my library of mp3s. So basically they'll just bounce from hard drive to hard drive, like they have for the past 12 or so years, until I die.
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Oct 20, 2018 18:46
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Spotify and Youtube are fine if you're American and only ever want to listen to American pop music, with some exceptions like Abba, Beatles, and Rammstein.
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Oct 20, 2018 18:52
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I'll stop using MP3 files when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
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Oct 20, 2018 18:53
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I have a 10 gig or so mp3 collection that I've just been transferring from phone to phone whenever I upgrade. I haven't listened to any of it in years.
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Oct 20, 2018 19:06
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Jerry Cotton posted:Spotify and Youtube are fine if you're American and only ever want to listen to American pop music, with some exceptions like Abba, Beatles, and Rammstein. I don’t listen to American pop music and Spotify has a ton of stuff 
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Oct 20, 2018 19:07
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I'll admit up front that I have a massive sunk cost bias in owning a ton of CDs and mp3s that are all organized just so. Also my music player is like a pocket survival library of my archive of sounds in miniature. I used Spotify for a bit, but I despise commercials and won't pay to make them go away.
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Oct 20, 2018 20:07
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Fallom posted:I don’t listen to American pop music and Spotify has a ton of stuff Same. Spotify seems fairly indie friendly, there is a bunch of classic blues, plenty of chill electronica. I've always been able to find something worth listening to. Haven't had an mp3 collection since Spotify launched in the US.
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Oct 20, 2018 20:08
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When I did use Spotify, I just ended up listening to music I still own on CD or vinyl and ripped myself, so it just turned into paying for music I already had. iTunes was for syncing my iPod and podcasts with crummy RSS feeds. If I must stream music, I tend to just go to YouTube or download it from Soundcloud. I've just been a faithful Winamp user since 1999 and I will probably remain that way even if Winamp 6 stinks. Winamp 3 was awful to me and I did stick with 2.9x for a while, but Winamp 5 is just perfect. Anyone that prefers Foobar is a loving cop though.
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Oct 20, 2018 21:29
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I use Google Play Music. It means I can have all of my sunk-cost and obscure TV show/anime/bidya game soundtracks, mixed with streaming and stuff. Whenever I buy an album (like when Moulettes came out with Behemooth two years ago) it adds 320kbps files to my library. Then, whenever I set up a new computer or device I can download my entire library, including my purchased stuff and my old MP3s, to it through  the cloud. Google even arranged things mostly correctly in a folder structure using file metadata. On the first download I had to kind of fix a few things that I had tagged strangely back in the day (mixing up Artist and Contributing artist, or putting "GAME OST" as genre, making playlists into custom albums instead of actual playlists, etc), but it's been peachy ever since.Does anybody else remember a late-night commercial from like 2005-2007 where someone was on their phone trying to find a music file at a house party, and out of nowhere a black guy in a white leather suit and a motorcycle helmet with a lightning bolt zapped into the frame with a puff of smoke and organized his library? It was super low budget and awkward, and I never could figure out if it was a real product or service. Maybe on Adult Swim? Or maybe a fever dream.
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The Fool posted:Same. Spotify seems fairly indie friendly, there is a bunch of classic blues, plenty of chill electronica. I've always been able to find something worth listening to. I listen to a lot of folk and I like all the different playlists. My only problem with it is that listening to quiet study music for 2+ hours at a time ruins the recommendation system.
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Oct 20, 2018 21:39
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I have my frankly stupidly large mp3 collection backed up with CrashPlan.
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Queen Combat posted:I use Google Play Music. It means I can have all of my sunk-cost and obscure TV show/anime/bidya game soundtracks, mixed with streaming and stuff. Whenever I buy an album (like when Moulettes came out with Behemooth two years ago) it adds 320kbps files to my library. Then, whenever I set up a new computer or device I can download my entire library, including my purchased stuff and my old Sounds like a Cinco product if I’ve ever hear one
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Spotify has a ton of obscure metal artists, where every tracks sits at "<1000 plays", even though it's been there for 5+ years. I love digging for stuff like that. Fallom posted:I listen to a lot of folk and I like all the different playlists. My only problem with it is that listening to quiet study music for 2+ hours at a time ruins the recommendation system. Switch it to a private session (or whatever it's called now), and it won't affect your recommendations.
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KozmoNaut posted:Spotify has a ton of obscure metal artists, where every tracks sits at "<1000 plays", even though it's been there for 5+ years. Speaking of tech relics, I once used an application produced by Adbusters to block ads on PointCast's desktop client, in the age of ~push technology~.
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The recommendation system on Spotify seems genuinely good to me and I've found lots of thrash metal bands that I would have never heard of otherwise.
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Star Man posted:Anyone that prefers Foobar is a loving cop though. Winamp has a really hard time dealing with collections bigger than 5k songs, but to be honest, iTunes chokes on that as well. I always thought iTunes on Windows blew chunks as a kind of perverse incentive to switch to Mac where it at least would work right, but apparently it’s bad on OS X as well  Foobar takes a while to index but after that it breezes through 100k of mp3 files no problem, and even has a decent hook for converters so you can go from WAV to FLAC or mp3 just with a new playlist and three clicks or so. It looks kind of spartan but at least it scales better on HD screens. The only thing I really miss is a plugin for Winamp called Pacemaker - it could do real-time pitchshifting and timestretching with a control directly visible in the user interface. You will discover new musical horizons with that.
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Queen Combat posted:Does anybody else remember a late-night commercial from like 2005-2007 where someone was on their phone trying to find a music file at a house party, and out of nowhere a black guy in a white leather suit and a motorcycle helmet with a lightning bolt zapped into the frame with a puff of smoke and organized his library? It was super low budget and awkward, and I never could figure out if it was a real product or service. Maybe on Adult Swim? Or maybe a fever dream. Yes, that was definitely a thing. I can’t remember the name of the software though. Very much a product of its time.
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Data Graham posted:I was an iTunes zealot from the day it was announced, the idea of navigating your music by its native metadata through database queries rather than long inscrutable filenames in folders was a nerdy revelation for me. In the beginning iTunes really hosed you if you had any mp3s on your system beyond it's own libraries. When it asked if I wanted to import these mp3s into it's library, I said no thanks. Then it nuked everything I told it not to import. I was pretty harsh on it from the beginning.
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Vanagoon posted:Am I the only dirty old grognard that stores  quote:I even organize my That's how all of my files are stored.I never got into the actual music library/database thing where the player knows all of the music I have, I still just drag files or folders from the OS to the music player like a neanderthal, and occasionally use playlists.
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Laserjet 4P posted:Winamp has a really hard time dealing with collections bigger than 5k songs, but to be honest, iTunes chokes on that as well.
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Once iTunes had enough runway, it tended to handle my library well enough, but boy howdy was it a long runway.Buttcoin purse posted:I never got into the actual music library/database thing where the player knows all of the music I have, I still just drag files or folders from the OS to the music player like a neanderthal, and occasionally use playlists.
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All the mp3s on my computer are rips from CDs I bought in Tokyo dive bars that I'm pretty sure don't exist anymore (both the band and the bar) but other than obscure stuff like that I like the convenience of "find song play song".
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Oct 21, 2018 03:31
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Was it Napster that first let you browse through other folks' collections for other stuff you might like? That still sounds neat to me. Curated playlists on streaming services are a thing, I guess.
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doctorfrog posted:Was it Napster that first let you browse through other folks' collections for other stuff you might like? "You listen to Suzanne Vega?! Lol"
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That is still a thing on Soulseek, which has managed to survive into the 21st century only because of the small number of users. Occasionally you'll even get a friendly message from someone you're connected to like "Yeah, that album is cool, right? Check out this other thing on their label." (Or more likely, hawking their own demo) It's a pristine tech relic that I'm glad still exists. e: The other thing that allowed it to survive is probably only allowing music files, preventing the whole kazaa thing where tons of gross filenames show up for every search you do.
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i miss turntable.fm
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Audiogalaxy was the poo poo. It had this thing that indexed every song that had ever been shared on its platform and which client shared it so if there was something obscure that only a few people had you could still mark it for download and it would grab it as soon as that user came back online. I had a really crappy metered ISDN connection back then and audiogalaxy had a command line Linux client. I would log into my web hosting account with telnet and set up the audiogalaxy client there, so it would always be on, then I’d check it when I got online to see what it had grabbed from my wanted queue.
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boar guy posted:i miss turntable.fm That deserved to last far longer than it did, it was fun for killing time with friends when I first got to college
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Buttcoin purse posted:
Something like that, buy I'm not too particular about the track numbers in the file name. So long as they're in the ID3 Tag or whatever metadata the format supports. My way is the correct way, and y'all can step off with the foobar hate. iPods and the like that will only allow you to access your music through a database make me loving insane. I hate them. I really wish Rockbox would get an Android port. Hell I wish they would roll it into a full fledged OS that you could flash onto old smartphones to make them into dedicated music players. They're all some variation of ARM anyway and who gives a poo poo if the baseband works at that point. Vanagoon has a new favorite as of 06:52 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Are shoutcast radios still A Thing? I recently went looking for Monkey Radio to find the original 24/7 chill study beats stream and it had been dead for a decade or so, lol. Luckily someone had made a Spotify playlist with most of the songs, which also tells just how much of even relatively obscure stuff is in Spotify these days.
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I don’t know exactly when it happened, but I have given up the entire idea of a massive personal media library. There are some albums I keep around, but managing only a few precious collections is actually better than having all the Counting Crows albums “just in case”.
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