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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:from literally regurgitating Nazi propaganda to "well quibbling is gross" lol
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coathat posted:I did appreciate the suggestion of listening to 40 hours of dad podcast to really educate yourself Tbf, Hardcore History is great and time well spent.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Tbf, Hardcore History is great and time well spent. I used to listen to it working night shift, put it on and zone out and suddenly it's three hours later and j learned about some poo poo
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"The Soviets raped every Germanic looking girl" isn't true. They didn't even rape every woman or girl when they got to Germany. That doesn't mean Red Army soldiers didn't rape a lot of people because they did, it means that the rapes were overhyped by the Nazis to the point that people committed suicide over an inflated threat. The Americans committed atrocities in the Pacific theater too, which the Japanese made such a stink of that Japanese civilians voluntarily committed mass suicide instead of taking their chances with the Marines, but nobody ever claims the Americans "raped every Japanese looking girl they got their hands on." The amount of Red Army rapes also gets revised higher every year that WW2 ceases to become a living memory along with the 100 million killed by communism number. if you wanna battle propaganda maybe don't spread more in the same breath like the "Japanese civilians and their children chose to die rather than dishonor their emperor and famiry" poo poo that sites like this use to justify the war crimes of hiroshima and nagasaki. even some random ww2 site is able to say that quote:Anyone who spoke against the military, spoke well of the Americans or questioned the suicide orders faced death as a ‘spy’. VROOM VROOM has issued a correction as of 20:26 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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VROOM VROOM posted:if you wanna battle propaganda maybe don't spread more in the same breath like the "Japanese civilians and their children chose to die rather than dishonor their emperor and famiry" poo poo that sites like this use to justify the war crimes of hiroshima and nagasaki. even some random ww2 site is able to say that it’s impossible to disentangle the behavior of people in a regime like that, but there was more than enough genuine cultish support among civilians (in part due to ridiculous propagandizing) as well as the kind of fearful compliance those policies produced. I mean, the guy who became a jungle-dwelling serial murderer of Filipino farmers until the early seventies wasn’t scared into becoming who he did.
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VROOM VROOM posted:if you wanna battle propaganda maybe don't spread more in the same breath like the "Japanese civilians and their children chose to die rather than dishonor their emperor and famiry" poo poo Never said anything like that lmao. quote:When the American’s came upon the suicides, those who had not killed themselves or had survived were shocked to see the Americans offering aid rather than slaughter, filling them with remorse and widening the distrust that already existed between Okinawa and mainland Japan. All I claimed is that the people who committed suicide believed what they were told by the Japanese government, and your source doesn't refute it.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Tbf, Hardcore History is great and time well spent. Revolutions by Mike Duncan is better, maybe more relevant to this thread. Dan Carlin repeats too many claims without any sort of introspection, hes the Joe Rogan of history
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Never said anything like that lmao. you posted:The Americans committed atrocities in the Pacific theater too, which the Japanese made such a stink of that Japanese civilians voluntarily committed mass suicide instead of taking their chances with the Marines quote:While the Japanese government states there was “military involvement” in these suicides, survivors attest to a compulsory mass suicide, or shudan jiketsu. what we can all agree on is that there is blame on many sides VROOM VROOM has issued a correction as of 20:46 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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VROOM VROOM posted:lmao Imo if you want to go with the atomic bomb is bad you need to structure your argument that strategic bombing of cities is bad and not the atomic bomb itself, because it just made those bombing missions waaay easier. The specific focus on the atomic bomb in the debate likely came about due to atomic panic.
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Telsa Cola posted:Imo if you want to go with the atomic bomb is bad you need to structure your argument that strategic bombing of cities is bad and not the atomic bomb itself, because it just made those bombing missions waaay easier. The specific focus on the atomic bomb in the debate likely came about due to atomic panic. ah yes, when I said "the use of the atomic bomb" what I really meant was "the use of an unprecedented weapon of destruction to instantly murder hundreds of thousands of civilians as a war tactic". you're right, nukes can be good (but only if they nuke me)
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Darkman Fanpage posted:dude loves getting concussions Headbutts work great and wont confuss the pperson doing the butting everr
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VROOM VROOM posted:ah yes, when I said "the use of the atomic bomb" what I really meant was "the use of an unprecedented weapon of destruction to instantly murder hundreds of thousands of civilians as a war tactic". you're right, nukes can be good (but only if they nuke me) But the Fire Bombing of Tokyo is okay and never gets mentioned because ????. My point is if you are actually serious about the tremendous loss of life inflicted upon Japan you would be arguing against strategic bombing as a whole since Japan and other countries had pretty drat bad civilian causalities before the introduction of the bomb. The bombing of tokyo killed more people then the bombing of Nagasaki but people just dont seem to give a poo poo because it wasnt done by a nuke. There is a reason why the nukes get focused on, and it wasnt the death total. Telsa Cola has issued a correction as of 21:24 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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so a bunch of white nationalists all start getting arrested and charged, then suddenly there are bomb attacks against perceived left wing figures. any sign of a connection between the two?
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Telsa Cola posted:But the Fire Bombing of Tokyo is okay and never gets mentioned because ????. good job forcing me to concede that firebombing civilians is bad, a position wildly inconsistent with my established positions of "forcing civilians to blow themselves and their children up with grenades is bad" and "nuking civilians is bad". as far as I can tell this was your only purpose, and you have succeeded, so congratulations. anyway folks, normal people (well, redditors) in portland who are tired of the nazi marches are trekking up to vancouver WA for a humorous counterprotest this week. look forward to bloodshed
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VROOM VROOM posted:good job forcing me to concede that firebombing civilians is bad, a position wildly inconsistent with my established positions of "forcing civilians to blow themselves and their children up with grenades is bad" and "nuking civilians is bad". as far as I can tell this was your only purpose, and you have succeeded, so congratulations. Thank you, I am glad I succeeded in my mission.
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Spergin Morlock posted:so a bunch of white nationalists all start getting arrested and charged, then suddenly there are bomb attacks against perceived left wing figures. any sign of a connection between the two? I feel like if they were, the bomber would've made the connection obvious if not out right announce it. I also imagine that the bombs were being built before the arrests happened (unless this is FBI trying to entrap someone).
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MizPiz posted:I feel like if they were, the bomber would've made the connection obvious if not out right announce it. I also imagine that the bombs were being built before the arrests happened (unless this is FBI trying to entrap someone). The list of people who received bombs also seems weird for a white nationalist, or maybe more accurately stated, I would expect someone conducting a bombing campaign for white nationalist reasons to choose different targets. I'll stick with my initial read for now, that this is a qanon conspiracy theorist, though with the amount of overlap, white nationalist ties would not surprise me.
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This is a guy who was spreading rumors that James Fields was antifa within minutes of the attack.
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Jack Posobiec is known for false flag antics like planting a "rape Melania" sign at an anti-Trump protest.
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pookel posted:The fact that the Nazis liked to use real atrocities as propaganda doesn't make them not real atrocities. Lol are you loving kidding me? A wiki link and Dan Carlin? Slim Jim Pickens posted:Dan Carlin repeats too many claims without any sort of introspection, hes the Joe Rogan of history This. A million times this.
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Dan Carlin is entertaining AF but he is not a rigorous historian. He reads 2-3 pop history books and churns them into ~4 hour blocks of dramatizations and boxing metaphors
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yeah Dan Carlin is someone you listen to because you like how he sounds. He’s not a great historian. I personally hate his poo poo but I like history more than personalities so I am not his market.
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if you know absolutely nothing about the topic he's a great intro. if you've read a book on the topic his flaws become extremely apparent.
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What's a good/better history podcast?
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Mike Duncan’s stuff and the guy that does History of Byzantium are both good and thorough.
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the history of rome and revolutions by mike duncan are good
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This would be the dangerous conspiracy theory that the perpetrator of the bombings is probably somebody who doesn't like the targets.
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Sax Solo posted:What's a good/better history podcast? the dollop
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the dollop the dollop also periodically plays a bit fast and loose with accuracy for the sake of the story, but it's still really fun, especially when they're little known stuff the rocket belt episode is one of the funniest things I've ever listened to
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I don't know what is the best but I can say that the worst is Radiolab I want to find whoever thought "let's have 3 people alternate every 5 words independent of sentence structure" was a good baseline format for a podcast and beat them with a rubber hose
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Sax Solo posted:What's a good/better history podcast? history of england also tides of history
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