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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe




RIP AT-6, #N7969C.

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MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Fayez Butts
Aug 24, 2006

Lemme fix that for you

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Keep going I'm almost there

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Fayez Butts posted:

Lemme fix that for you



Can't believe you didn't go for the obvious joke.

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

FRIED CHICKEN
Slippery Tilde
:perfect:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


First time I've seen a ground vehicle on my ADS-B Flight Aware receiver:

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull




:toot: Pimp My Bomber: B-17 Edition is out :toot:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Humphreys posted:

First time I've seen a ground vehicle on my ADS-B Flight Aware receiver:



Speaking of ADS-B; SpaceX had a presentation at Controlling for Safety in Vegas yesterday...

CrewDragon is going to be ADS-B equipped.

Needless to say, my career goal just became “call CrewDragon traffic to an airliner.”

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

MrYenko posted:

Speaking of ADS-B; SpaceX had a presentation at Controlling for Safety in Vegas yesterday...

CrewDragon is going to be ADS-B equipped.

Needless to say, my career goal just became “call CrewDragon traffic to an airliner.”

New question for devious flight examiners to ask: What airspace class is FL13200 in?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

HookedOnChthonics posted:



:toot: Pimp My Bomber: B-17 Edition is out :toot:

No idea that was coming. That's a fun, and infuriating, little game.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

someone punched a nazi alright

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

dupersaurus posted:

New question for devious flight examiners to ask: What airspace class is FL13200 in?

E

The real question is if ATC software can handle VFR on top for that. :v:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

hobbesmaster posted:

E

The real question is if ATC software can handle VFR on top for that. :v:

:perfect:

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
Wasn't there an incident within the last few years where a U-2 at a funny altitude made ATC computers choke for a large part of the country?

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

slidebite posted:

No idea that was coming. That's a fun, and infuriating, little game.

It could be so great if the drat gunnery aspect wasnt the most unintuitive, frustrating and tedious thing in the whole world

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

What game is it?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

vessbot posted:

Wasn't there an incident within the last few years where a U-2 at a funny altitude made ATC computers choke for a large part of the country?

It’s my understanding that LA center entered VFR/OTP for a U-2 in class E airspace above FL600, which caused an immediate dual-channel ERAM failure, which also propagated to DARC (our oh-gently caress-gently caress-gently caress backup hardware) through the flight plan processing interface.

That error has since been fixed, but Miami center experienced a similar dual-channel/DARC failure caused by a different bug a few weeks afterwards.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Hydraulic insanity. New NASA water deluge system to protect the tower from the heat of the new launch system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo

Tetraptous
Nov 11, 2004

Dynamic instability during transition.

Dr. Despair posted:

What game is it?

Bomber Crew! The base game has you commanding the crew of a (or, really, an unfortunate series of) Avro Lancaster, kind of like FTL, but in WWII. New expansion just dropped for the B-17 in the Mediterranean.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Ola posted:

Hydraulic insanity. New NASA water deluge system to protect the tower from the heat of the new launch system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo

I always thought the deluge was more for sound suppression than heat? Either way cool as hell.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

slidebite posted:

I always thought the deluge was more for sound suppression than heat? Either way cool as hell.

The new spouts are for heat apparently. It's some serious pumped volume. Tourists travel pretty far to look at smaller geysers.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

Ola posted:

Hydraulic insanity. New NASA water deluge system to protect the tower from the heat of the new launch system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo

I figured bureaucracy would be enough to make sure the tower never got hot

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

slidebite posted:

I always thought the deluge was more for sound suppression than heat? Either way cool as hell.

It's both. The deluge system keeps acoustic waves from being reflected back into the booster (or the launch pad hardware) with enough energy to do damage, and it also absorbs some heat in the process.

The giant geyser in the video is only there because the launch platform isn't in place, since most of that water would get sent through plumbing to various nozzles installed on the launch platform.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Tetraptous posted:

Bomber Crew! The base game has you commanding the crew of a (or, really, an unfortunate series of) Avro Lancaster, kind of like FTL, but in WWII. New expansion just dropped for the B-17 in the Mediterranean.

It's also on sale for 50% off ($7.49) right now.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

slidebite posted:

No idea that was coming. That's a fun, and infuriating, little game.

If you lose a wheel, just quit to main menu and start again. :mad:

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

If you lose a wheel, just quit to main menu and start again. :mad:

I've had crews survive belly landings. Not so much luck when all four of the spinny things fell off though.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Ardeem posted:

I've had crews survive belly landings. Not so much luck when all four of the spinny things fell off though.

I don't have time to type it out, but pretend I typed this

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Ardeem posted:

I've had crews survive belly landings. Not so much luck when all four of the spinny things fell off though.

My best crew died 100m short of the runway when we ran out of fuel. RIP HMS Gay Parade (with matching rainbow paint job), I never realized you could use the F-keys.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Ardeem posted:

I've had crews survive belly landings. Not so much luck when all four of the spinny things fell off though.

Those are fans to keep the crew cool, because as soon as they're gone, everyone starts to sweat :v:

(That's my favourite terrible flight instructor joke and gently caress you all if you don't like it)

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Is there a reason we don't see what's basically a wing on the top of a car? Like instead of roof racks, a flat (ish) platform in the shape of an aerofoil, slightly raised above the roof? Would it provide enough lift to improve fuel efficiency, or would it provide too much lift and make them less controllable? Would the downward force of an upside-down one help at all? Or would none of them really do anything?

I know that roof racks are a major source of drag and reducing fuel efficiency, just wondering about ways around that.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Hobo Erotica posted:

Is there a reason we don't see what's basically a wing on the top of a car? Like instead of roof racks, a flat (ish) platform in the shape of an aerofoil, slightly raised above the roof? Would it provide enough lift to improve fuel efficiency, or would it provide too much lift and make them less controllable? Would the downward force of an upside-down one help at all? Or would none of them really do anything?

I know that roof racks are a major source of drag and reducing fuel efficiency, just wondering about ways around that.

Force on the axles has quite a small impact on fuel economy.

You won’t save anywhere near enough there to offset the inevitable increase in drag.

If you have to have a roof rack, you can optimise its shape to create less drag, but adding drag to get lift is never a good idea (for fuel economy, on a ground vehicle).

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



Isn’t that the functional purpose of a spoiler, to push a car down to keep friction high between the tires and the road, allowing greater control?

Adiabatic
Nov 18, 2007

What have you assholes done now?

Hobo Erotica posted:

Is there a reason we don't see what's basically a wing on the top of a car? Like instead of roof racks, a flat (ish) platform in the shape of an aerofoil, slightly raised above the roof? Would it provide enough lift to improve fuel efficiency, or would it provide too much lift and make them less controllable? Would the downward force of an upside-down one help at all? Or would none of them really do anything?

I know that roof racks are a major source of drag and reducing fuel efficiency, just wondering about ways around that.

Cars are fighting against lots of different frictions. One of those is the rolling resistance due to downward force on the tires from the weight of the vehicle sure, but that one is effectively a linear relationship between speed and friction.

It also pales in comparison to the major frictional killer: air resistance. Realize that to create lift you need motive force, and if youre using your motive force to both overcome air resistance and achiece lift, you're creating more friction. Some of it is offset by the loss of rolling resistance, sure, but as air resistance increases by the square of speed, the faster you go the more lift you create the more losses you create from air resistance.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

crazypeltast52 posted:

Isn’t that the functional purpose of a spoiler, to push a car down to keep friction high between the tires and the road, allowing greater control?

The speed at which a spoiler starts to have a measurable impact is not a speed at which a vehicle should be operated on public roads.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Cool, thanks heaps guys, kind of what I suspected.


edit: I guess I was kind of wondering if we can apply any of the advantages of hydrofoils on boats to cars, but I guess the answer is that water and air are two wildly different densities so it's a whole seperate thing, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQaYRjAIbhs

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Oct 25, 2018

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
This is going to sound trivial, but if you take the “put a wing on it to take weight off the wheels” idea to its extreme, you end up with an æroplane.

Planes have never been accused of being economical.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'
Wings create a lot of drag. They work for race cars because the increase in speed they provide in turning more than makes up for the lost top speed in the straights (and/or prevent the car from taking off in the wind)

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I can say with 100% certainty that the last thing I want in a ground vehicle is anything taking weight off the wheels.

Friction is the thing that allows us to do nifty things like turn and stop, things which are cool and good to do in a vehicle that's on the ground. Look at the procedure for a short-field landing in most airplanes: deploy any lift spoilers you have and make sure the flaps are up. Otherwise you'll have an aircraft just on the edge of flying with no weight on the wheels and you can't do jack poo poo to slow it down or turn (though if your goal is to produce some lovely huge flat spots on tires, you've set yourself up wonderfully). I suppose that may be good for efficiency in theory, disregarding the added drag, which would probably kill any efficiency gains, but it would produce an absolutely terrifying driving experience, especially in anything not designed for aerodynamic stability.

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