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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:In later Rome the way to be seen as legitimate was to be born in the special magic purple room. It's as good an institution as any other! I knew the phrase but I didn't know there was like, a literal purple room. That's amazing
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It doesn't help that an emperor can only set up one succession at a time. Diocletion tried setting up 4 successions in his plan to fix the empire forever, and it all fell apart. It's not really unusual even now for people to overlook an uncomfortable question like their own death, especially when they're busy and imperial politics make your #2 your #1 threat.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Nothing, really. There's areas where people went straight to using iron when bronze wasn't available. But with bronze, it's easier to work with if you got the raw materials for it. Iron requires more effort and resources. Genuine question, which areas were these? Iron smelting takes enormously higher temperatures than bronze, and I thought the refinements to furnace technology to get to that point were thought to have been achieved by people tinkering with the furnaces they were already using for bronzemaking. I know for instance Japan got iron before it got bronze, but that was just because the technology was brought in from outside groups and they happened to bring iron in first.
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cheetah7071 posted:I knew the phrase but I didn't know there was like, a literal purple room. That's amazing Gotta be born in the special purple room: still less dumb than the American Electoral College.
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skasion posted:You’re not wrong. To skip over Commodus and name some other heir would have made quite as much trouble as Commodus ever did, and probably would have precipitated the exact same kind of war that eventually ensued upon Commodus’ death.
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Where did ancient China get its tin? edit: Turns out its Yunnan. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 01:35
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Not just Yunnan, several places south of the Yangtze were rich in both copper and tin. Bronze in East Asia was mostly constrained to elites, in the north as well as Korea and Japan; it wasn't until iron became widespread that farming tools and so on were made of metal rather than stone/wood/bone in most cases. But South China was the exception, and bronze was used even by the relatively poor.
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Today I introduced Rome to my sophomores, since we're getting ready to start Julius Caesar. Showing them busts of the major Emperors was a mistake; we wound up discussing relative attractiveness and relationship potential rather than the political situation leading up to Caesar's assassination. One girl thought Caligula was hot poo poo; no one liked Nero due to the neckbeard. (I'm more than a bit worried about the Caligula-phile.) Personally I think Augustus is the best looking emperor, but I imagine he was something of a stuffy prig in private. I've read that Hadrian had an easily wounded ego and a tendency to sulk, which unfortunately knocks out all the points afforded him by that fabulous beard. Historians, which emperor has the best relationship potential? Who was considered the most attractive, either by you or their contemporaries?
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Pinball posted:Historians, which emperor has the best relationship potential? Who was considered the most attractive, either by you or their contemporaries? Caracalla 
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Pinball posted:Today I introduced Rome to my sophomores, since we're getting ready to start Julius Caesar. Showing them busts of the major Emperors was a mistake; we wound up discussing relative attractiveness and relationship potential rather than the political situation leading up to Caesar's assassination. One girl thought Caligula was hot poo poo; no one liked Nero due to the neckbeard. (I'm more than a bit worried about the Caligula-phile.) marcus aurelius had both a great beard and a solid personality
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Pinball posted:Today I introduced Rome to my sophomores, since we're getting ready to start Julius Caesar. Showing them busts of the major Emperors was a mistake; we wound up discussing relative attractiveness and relationship potential rather than the political situation leading up to Caesar's assassination. One girl thought Caligula was hot poo poo; no one liked Nero due to the neckbeard. (I'm more than a bit worried about the Caligula-phile.) Elagabalus was a beautiful boy and he was loved by both men and women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMzdhhJbjAY quote:If you'd been Emperor of Rome
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Antinous was also really beautiful and there are lots of examples of art of him, because he was so drat pretty.
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Pinball posted:Today I introduced Rome to my sophomores, since we're getting ready to start Julius Caesar. Showing them busts of the major Emperors was a mistake; we wound up discussing relative attractiveness and relationship potential rather than the political situation leading up to Caesar's assassination. One girl thought Caligula was hot poo poo; no one liked Nero due to the neckbeard. (I'm more than a bit worried about the Caligula-phile.) 12 Caesars says Augustus had great parties and did poo poo like auctioning off paintings with their fronts to the wall so he was probably a pretty fun guy.
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Pinball posted:Today I introduced Rome to my sophomores, since we're getting ready to start Julius Caesar. Showing them busts of the major Emperors was a mistake; we wound up discussing relative attractiveness and relationship potential rather than the political situation leading up to Caesar's assassination. One girl thought Caligula was hot poo poo; no one liked Nero due to the neckbeard. (I'm more than a bit worried about the Caligula-phile.)
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Koramei posted:Genuine question, which areas were these? Iron smelting takes enormously higher temperatures than bronze, and I thought the refinements to furnace technology to get to that point were thought to have been achieved by people tinkering with the furnaces they were already using for bronzemaking. I know for instance Japan got iron before it got bronze, but that was just because the technology was brought in from outside groups and they happened to bring iron in first. I'm pretty sure that iron predates bronze in sub-Saharan Africa by a couple of millennia, but I don't remember what the source for that was. I know the Benin "bronzes" are actually brass.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Antinous was also really beautiful and there are lots of examples of art of him, because he was so drat pretty.
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Pinball posted:Today I introduced Rome to my sophomores, since we're getting ready to start Julius Caesar. Showing them busts of the major Emperors was a mistake; we wound up discussing relative attractiveness and relationship potential rather than the political situation leading up to Caesar's assassination. One girl thought Caligula was hot poo poo; no one liked Nero due to the neckbeard. (I'm more than a bit worried about the Caligula-phile.)  It's gotta be the ribbons. As for me, I'm going with Septimus Severus. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 10:55
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lol his breastplate
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HEY GUNS posted:lol his breastplate Like you would pass up the chance to have the ur goon on your breastplate.
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Oct 24, 2018 11:26
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To be fair, those are some fab rear end ribbons.
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Tunicate posted:12 Caesars says Augustus had great parties and did poo poo like auctioning off paintings with their fronts to the wall so he was probably a pretty fun guy. That's actually a really cool idea.
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Ynglaur posted:That's actually a really cool idea. The Royal Collage of Art in London does a yearly sale of unsigned hand-painted postcards, painted by artists ranging from superstar to complete unknown. They tell you the artist after you buy it. The money goes to fund scholarships, and it's a really fun exhibition and a great chance to buy some affordable art.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Antinous was also really beautiful and there are lots of examples of art of him, because he was so drat pretty. Oh yeah, I just googled that and drat
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I can't find the post that recommended 1177 BC, but thanks to the goon who did because it's really good so far.
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what...did Romans find attractive in men? I know I look at Romans through my own utterly ordinary contemporary modern American hetero white male eyes but it seems like they have a lot of the same tastes we do.
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bewbies posted:what...did Romans find attractive in men? I know I look at Romans through my own utterly ordinary contemporary modern American hetero white male eyes but it seems like they have a lot of the same tastes we do. The only really major ancient world / modern world difference in attractiveness standards that I'm aware of is that the Greeks considered smaller penises more attractive (because large ones were considered excessively immoderate and animalistic).
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bewbies posted:what...did Romans find attractive in men? I know I look at Romans through my own utterly ordinary contemporary modern American hetero white male eyes but it seems like they have a lot of the same tastes we do. Auctoritas
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bewbies posted:what...did Romans find attractive in men? I know I look at Romans through my own utterly ordinary contemporary modern American hetero white male eyes but it seems like they have a lot of the same tastes we do. so, uh
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HEY GUNS posted:i do know that if you are a classical greek, one way to compliment a good looking girl is to tell her she looks like a boy that looks like a girl We have that word also -- "gaminesque" https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/gaminesque Frequently used to describe Audrey Hepburn
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Koramei posted:Genuine question, which areas were these? Iron smelting takes enormously higher temperatures than bronze, and I thought the refinements to furnace technology to get to that point were thought to have been achieved by people tinkering with the furnaces they were already using for bronzemaking. I know for instance Japan got iron before it got bronze, but that was just because the technology was brought in from outside groups and they happened to bring iron in first. Subsaharan Africa is the major one.
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bewbies posted:what...did Romans find attractive in men? Butts
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HEY GUNS posted:i do know that if you are a classical greek, one way to compliment a good looking girl is to tell her she looks like a boy that looks like a girl I.. I did that once... Doesn't work nearly as well today as it did back then
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HEY GUNS posted:i do know that if you are a classical greek, one way to compliment a good looking girl is to tell her she looks like a boy that looks like a girl As You Like It is such a good play.
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Mr Enderby posted:As You Like It is such a good play. Along with the two distinct Blackadder episodes about just this thing.
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Speaking of the Succession Plans being terrible Someone mentioned the Macedonians Dynasty and the kicker is that Basil II had probably the worst succession plan ever. Honestly the "best" dynastic period was probably the Komnenoi You have Alexios rule for 37 years, his son (already an adult) John II rule for 25, his son (already an adult) Manuel rule for 37, it only fell apart when Manuel died and his son took the throne at like 10, then he got murdered. So you get 99 years with three uncontested Emperors of no dramatic succession crisis, and weird regencies like the Macedonians, although it fell apart catastrophically at the end. If they weren't so stable, the Empire probably would have died in the 11th century instead of the 15th. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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bewbies posted:what...did Romans find attractive in men? I know I look at Romans through my own utterly ordinary contemporary modern American hetero white male eyes but it seems like they have a lot of the same tastes we do. a) other men b) power
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The best succession was from Constantine to Maurice in the eastern empire, since it was peaceful until Phokas was a dick and re-introduced civil war as a way to grab the throne.
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Grand Fromage posted:The best succession was from Constantine to Maurice in the eastern empire, since it was peaceful until Phokas was a dick and re-introduced civil war as a way to grab the throne. Basilicus says hi?
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Jack2142 posted:Basilicus says hi? Eh. Not the same as marching on the city and taking it. But okay, it wasn't entirely peaceful but by ancient/Roman standards it was very stable.
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What are some of you guys most favorite paintings of historical events of antiquity? I’m looking to get a few prints framed. The Neoclassical stuff by David is pretty good if not meant to be a realistic depiction.
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