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Office Pig posted:Yeah he's willing to fight dirty with the right by fighting from the right. Ah yes capitulating to rightwing framing of an issue in an attempt to appear strong, what a novel tactic that's sure to bring those totally not-imaginary moderate Republicans over in droves.
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Cadaver_Maclaine posted:Ah yes capitulating to rightwing framing of an issue in an attempt to appear strong, what a novel tactic that's sure to bring those totally not-imaginary moderate Republicans over in droves. What are you talking about, death camps and mass murder is what the Democratic base really wants. Avenattibots tell me it's true so it must be. Hell it may even be true and I welcome the opportunity to claim my casus belli against the Great Satan.
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Oct 24, 2018 02:17
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p sure avenatti realized what republicans figured out a long time ago: floating a presidential bid is a great way to get free press and a bunch of money from schmucks with more dollars than sense
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Oct 24, 2018 02:20
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This is a perfect example of Trump's skillful divide and conquer tactics right here. Goddamn he's good at trolling.
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Oct 24, 2018 02:21
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Mantis42 posted:Proving Democratic politicians aren't actually the leftwing radicals I paint them as.... to own the libs. Republicans always do this, rile up rubes with fears that Democrats are capitulating to the enemy and then as soon as they win use Democrats' actual positions to deflect. Also see Bush/Kerry "Kerry is a traitor who will turn America over to Al-Qaeda and Saddam, also he agrees with us on Al-Qaeda and Saddam see we're very reasonable"
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VitalSigns posted:Republicans always do this, rile up rubes with fears that Democrats are capitulating to the enemy and then as soon as they win use Democrats' actual positions to deflect. Of course this is an odd case in that were already party members declaring their love of walls and borders and ICE well in advance of Trump trolling. I suppose it's not especially relevant until someone like Booker or Harris chimes in about trying that thing Canada did one time that wasn't health care.
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Oct 24, 2018 02:28
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I don't think LBJ was really a true believer either but we got Medicare out of the deal. I think I read he just didn't like Kennedy and wanted to have a progressive legacy to outdo him out of pure spite.
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LBJ was both a gross corrupt politician who liked to show his dick to people and also was genuinely affected during his time teaching kids in one of the poorest parts of Texas and believed in the Great Society. He's like if Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders got into a teleporter accident like the Fly.
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Not a Step posted:Warren is dead in the water from a self inflicted wound. She will continue to be the Senator from Massachusetts thanks to one party rule but she has already displayed the political acumen of a dead salmon *and* hired Hillary consultants, which is basically the same thing. yeah warren was the obviously only good choice after bernie but holy poo poo did she sink herself.
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Office Pig posted:Of course this is an odd case in that were already party members declaring their love of walls and borders and ICE well in advance of Trump trolling No it's par for the course. Just like Kerry was already going around the country stumping for the war far in advance of Bush responding to the revelation the WMDs didn't exist by trolling with Kerry quotes claiming they did.
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Yeah in a lot if ways LBJ was such a shithead that there's no other way to interpret his GOOD actions than that he was a true believer.
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LBJ was a corrupt establishment Democrat at a time when the people served by the Democratic patronage machine were industrialiats and the construction industry instead of banks and the consultant class, which meant it had much less problem with financial regulation and taxes on the upper middle class See also https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/09/now-hubert-humphrey-edition.html (yeah Cowen is a libertarian but his blog is generalist and is still interesting) quote:The financial assistance wealthy friends provided, in an era when ties between politicians and businessmen were not scrutinized, was indicative of Humphrey’s longer-term dependence on such people. His three sons…attended Shattuck Military Academy…courtesy of scholarships provided to the school by Minneapolis-born William Benton, who had made a fortune in advertising before becoming Humphrey’s Senate colleague from Connecticut during 1950-52…Eventually, Ewald [a wealthy Minnesotan dairyman] also helped. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Mantis42 posted:LBJ was both a gross corrupt politician who liked to show his dick to people and also was genuinely affected during his time teaching kids in one of the poorest parts of Texas and believed in the Great Society. I really like thinking back to when I was younger when people said lbj showing his dick to people was a "power move" and not "sexual harrassment"
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Some Nj Senate polling What, precisely, does this have to do with 2020? Do you believe Menendez will run for President (which admittedly would be hilarious)?
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Frightening Knight posted:What, precisely, does this have to do with 2020? Do you believe Menendez will run for President (which admittedly would be hilarious)? I posted in the incorrect thread, my mistake.
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Not a Step posted:Warren is dead in the water from a self inflicted wound. She will continue to be the Senator from Massachusetts thanks to one party rule but she has already displayed the political acumen of a dead salmon *and* hired Hillary consultants, which is basically the same thing. Warren wouldn't even endorse Bernie over a Goldman Sachs employee in the primary dude because she wanted to be in the Goldman Sachs employee's Cabinet
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Slutitution posted:Warren wouldn't even endorse Bernie over a Goldman Sachs employee in the primary dude because she wanted to be in the Goldman Sachs employee's Cabinet Sadly thats not a disqualifying defect for the Democrats in the year 2020. It might even be a positive for her.
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Ahh, the "Democrats gotta get more racist" argument
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Oct 25, 2018 17:42
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Lol what a piece of poo poo. I didn’t hear of him until the Kavanaugh hearings and I’m glad I didn’t waste my time learning about him.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ahh, the "Democrats gotta get more racist" argument the hilarious part is he's genuinely saying what a sizeable segment of the party aparatchiks are thinking, but they at least have learned to shut the hell up and talk about "no, honestly, I just think Biden's our guy. for reasons" instead.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the hilarious part is he's genuinely saying what a sizeable segment of the party aparatchiks are thinking, but they at least have learned to shut the hell up and talk about "no, honestly, I just think Biden's our guy. for reasons" instead. Is Biden actually getting significant backroom support? I haven't seen any reporting on this.
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Good, can we stop talking about him like he has any qualities important to the 2020 Democratic nominee? He's not a good person.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Good, can we stop talking about him like he has any qualities important to the 2020 Democratic nominee? He's not a good person. But He Fights™️
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DaveWoo posted:But He Fights™️ *appeals to voters in literally any way make no mistake, guy's scum, but the idea that it's a bad thing when your candidate has ANY kind of personal appeal to voters is the weirdest type of technocratic brain rot
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:*appeals to voters in literally any way Avenatti doesn’t have an appeal to voters though, he has an appeal to our gold fish brained media who are antsy to write about the 2020 primaries when none of the real players have declared yet.
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Sinistral posted:Avenatti doesn’t have an appeal to voters though, he has an appeal to our gold fish brained media who are antsy to write about the 2020 primaries when none of the real players have declared yet. guy has a very basic message that nobody on the national stage of the democratic party has tried running for at least thirty years: "I Will Fight For You." it turns out there's a market for it. sucks like hell that it's attached to a shameless grifter with no ideology to speak of beyond "more money for me, gently caress you"
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Cory Booker has been surprisingly on fire with unique and creative left-wing policies the past few years. This is a really interesting anti-poverty plan. https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1054311448787255296 quote:Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) is introducing a bill aimed at closing that gap. His idea is to give lower-income kids a sizable nest egg (nearly $50,000 in some cases) that they could use for wealth-building purchases, like a down payment on a house or college tuition.
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VitalSigns posted:Didn't we already talk about how his poverty plan is basically "here's 60 grand for tuition or a house, oops tuition and housing went up by 60 grand because we did nothing to make either affordable" I don't see anything on the last few pages. And that fund would not be allocated 100% in certain areas or categories, so it would not cause an equal rise in value across all sectors. The funds are also not distributed equally across all participants, so it even less likely to happen. It's basically a safety net to prevent your life from being hosed up if you have poor parents or medical issues. It's a very simple and low administrative solution that is available to everyone, but overwhelmingly targets lower -income POC. The program design is very smart: - It is technically Universal. - It targets generational poverty and race-based poverty. - It gives people money that they consider "their" money to build political support. - People have the freedom to spend the money anyway they want, but with a few guardrails put up to make sure they can;t buy anime figurines. Low admin costs, benefits go directly to those who need it, and politically protected by making it universal and vest over an 18-year period. Those are smart plays. It's kind of sad, but the idea that student can go to school, open a retirement accounts, get a medical emergency without dooming them to a bankrutcy spiral no matter how bad at money/life their parents were is pretty huge. Not only that, but the embedding of something like that in the national culture and normalizing it (like how socialism haters love their Medicare) could be huge. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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They're better than doing nothing, but they're hardly smart solutions. We know what happens when you give people money for high demand goods like housing and education, without doing anything to control costs or increase supply. The suppliers just raise their prices in response to higher economic demand, and the government money just becomes another form of corporate welfare. This isn't theoretical, you can go to other countries and look at how they solved problems like affordable housing and higher education and it wasn't "here's some money you're on your own now". Hell you can look at this country: how did we solve elementary education? We built public schools and made them free. We didn't give every child the cash to pick a private school (oops we did start doing that recently tho and it's a dumb solution.)
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Yea I'd like to see a candidate come out in favor of house decommodification. It would complete the trifecta alongside M4A and free tuition.
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Mantis42 posted:Yea I'd like to see a candidate come out in favor of house decommodification. It would complete the trifecta alongside M4A and free tuition. I'd argue that it's a square: we need to ensure that every human being has housing, healthcare, education, and food. I have not seen any detailed policy to address the chronic issues with food availability in large sections of the country, urban and rural, and it troubles me.
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VitalSigns posted:They're better than doing nothing, but they're hardly smart solutions. Yeah, a lot of Booker's policy proposals fall in that square for me. He seems to generally identify the right problem (which puts him ahead of most of the competition) but then proposes the wrong (market-based, usually) solution. Any solution that involves funneling more cash into the gaping maw of the finance industry, probably not great.
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VitalSigns posted:They're better than doing nothing, but they're hardly smart solutions. This proposal would be huge in breaking out generational poverty. It's not the end all be all of poverty plans, but it is smartly designed, can be quickly and easily administered, and is able to build a political coalition to support it. The idea that your financial status in live would not be pre-pordained based on how good with money your parents were when you four would be a massive in how wealth is transferred and where it comes from. There would also be significant ancillary benefits too. Younger couples have more financial stability to get their lives together for their kids or people in bad relationships have methods to get out with no family.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Younger couples have more financial stability to get their lives together for their kids or people in bad relationships have methods to get out with no family. 
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