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Nurge posted:I understand the sentiment, but misleading people is easy. Blaming them for voting for assholes isn't really productive. In my view anyway. Nothing is productive and death is certain. Nuclear war by 2025.
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lol Sipilä ejaculated into a vasta by offering the same lovely law but now including everyone, not only small businesses https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10475576
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Current law: Työntekijästä johtuvana tai hänen henkilöönsä liittyvänä asiallisena ja painavana irtisanomisperusteena voidaan pitää työsopimuksesta tai laista johtuvien, työsuhteeseen olennaisesti vaikuttavien velvoitteiden vakavaa rikkomista tai laiminlyöntiä sekä sellaisten työntekijän henkilöön liittyvien työntekoedellytysten olennaista muuttumista, joiden vuoksi työntekijä ei enää kykene selviytymään työtehtävistään. Syyn asiallisuutta ja painavuutta arvioitaessa on otettava huomioon työnantajan ja työntekijän olosuhteet kokonaisuudessaan. This latest bill proposal: Työntekijästä johtuvana tai hänen henkilöönsä liittyvänä asiallisena ja painavana irtisanomisperusteena voidaan pitää työsopimuksesta tai laista johtuvien, työsuhteeseen olennaisesti vaikuttavien velvoitteiden vakavaa rikkomista tai laiminlyöntiä sekä sellaisten työntekijän henkilöön liittyvien työntekoedellytysten olennaista muuttumista, joiden vuoksi työntekijä ei enää kykene selviytymään työtehtävistään. Syyn asiallisuutta ja painavuutta arvioitaessa on kokonaisarvioinnissa otettava huomioon työnantajan palveluksessa olevien työntekijöiden lukumäärä sekä työnantajan ja työntekijän olosuhteet kokonaisuudessaan. What does it mean in practise? How should courts evaluate this? 
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Oct 25, 2018 20:01
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Nenonen posted:Current law: The thing is the paragraph as a whole is completely distanced from the last sentence. The new wording should mean absolutely nothing at all in my opinion. The entirety of the preceding sentences are things only in reference to the employee and his/her ability to do their job. The last sentence adds a thing about the number of employees which does not in any way mean anything in the same context. I'm not a lawyer though. In essence though "This person is not able to/will not do their job as necessary because XXX." "Oh yeah also because we have Y employees that changes things somehow." It makes absolutely no sense in any context.
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Oct 25, 2018 20:34
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What the gently caress is this weird uhriutuminen that starts up every time somebody who knows something about history points out that some of our forefathers did bad poo poo joskus vuonna keppi ja kivi? Like, seriously, what's the psychology behind this?
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Oct 25, 2018 20:47
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It's deeply unfair to say Finns were somehow involved in slavery, I've never cracked a whip myself! Also what about all those thousands of Finns taken by vainolainen in the early 1700s?
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Oct 25, 2018 22:13
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I didn't read the piece so were any non-bougie-gently caress Finns responsible for slavery or just the bougie fucks?
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Oct 25, 2018 22:16
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Jerry Cotton posted:I didn't read the piece so were any non-bougie-gently caress Finns responsible for slavery or just the bougie fucks? The non-bougie fucks at the time were essentially slaves themselves.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:20
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Jerry Cotton posted:I didn't read the piece so were any non-bougie-gently caress Finns responsible for slavery or just the bougie fucks? se hurri vain pistää sen suomen piikkiin koska tehdas on turussa eikä tukholmassa
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Nurge posted:The non-bougie fucks at the time were essentially slaves themselves. I think you are using hyperbole  Triple A posted:se hurri vain pistää sen suomen piikkiin koska tehdas on turussa eikä tukholmassa Ah, at least someone is discussing this seriously 
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Oct 25, 2018 22:23
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Nenonen posted:Current law: This is so stupidly written that this can lead to sacking people being harder for large companies while not having an appreciable impact on small (or "small") businesses. They'd still have to at least say the quiet part loud in the hallituksen esitys because that's where the court goes for help when the law is indecipherable. If this passes, I want to get in on this action. Unfortunately investing in a labour litigation firm is a bit tricky for a regular Joe. They're just trolling the unions at this point, throwing anything they can at them to make them kneel. Next step is probably just a bill that says "unions suck"
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Oct 26, 2018 05:51
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Sulphagnist posted:This is so stupidly written that this can lead to sacking people being harder for large companies while not having an appreciable impact on small (or "small") businesses. They'd still have to at least say the quiet part loud in the hallituksen esitys because that's where the court goes for help when the law is indecipherable. To be fair, the previous law's impact on small businesses was just "oh gently caress you". The benefit was to big companies subcontracting to "small businesses". The unions are defending the small businesses, and the owners of actual small businesses want their head on a plate because they like the sound of the government going "sure we'll help you" and are paying no attention to what the government is actually doing. Or just really hate poor people, enough to hurt themselves.
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Oct 26, 2018 08:11
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Juha Sipilä retire bitch
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Oct 26, 2018 08:48
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The Finnish language is in danger of being sidelined to extinction by the assault of the English language argues Kotus, the board of Finnish languages. When even the minister of education is pushing to make it possible to complete the matriculation exam in English, the board is worried for the future of the country's other languages. For that reason the government should devise a language political program to counter this development asap.
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Oct 26, 2018 09:30
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Just joined the union at my new job, and on Monday am going with the union rep from my earlier job to make the city pay me wages they illegally withheld. Thank you unions.
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Oct 26, 2018 09:34
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No actually unions are obsolete these days
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Oct 26, 2018 11:29
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Jerry Cotton posted:I think you are using hyperbole Yeah it isn't really comparable, but people who weren't a part of the elite probably had almost no idea what went on even nearby outside of e: Then again the time period in the article in the mid 1700s was a time when Finland was splintered into sections controlled by Russia and Sweden. In the Russian section of the lands the role and rights of the peasants degraded into something almost like slavery (forced to farm for the landowner, the landowner could punish them without interference from the law, etc.). I'm assuming the factory mentioned was in the Swedish part of Finland though. Nurge fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Oct 26, 2018 11:30
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There was no "Finland" as an independent entity. There was no vote. There was barely any education for anybody except the clergy and the nobility. The Kingdom of Sweden and the Russian Empire certainly benefited from colonialism but Finland was basically a colony itself...
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lol @ all the attempts itt at assigning the blame for profiting from colonialism to some narrower segment of the finnish (or better yet, swedish) society. literally everyone living here today indirectly benefits from past slavery, dwi
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Oct 26, 2018 16:08
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Finland was never a colony unless we dilute the word itself into meaninglessness.
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Herman Merman posted:lol @ all the attempts itt at assigning the blame for profiting from colonialism to some narrower segment of the finnish (or better yet, swedish) society. literally everyone living here today indirectly benefits from past slavery, dwi What's the point though? If you want to go far far before Finland even existed for examples of second hand benefits of slavery then you might as well say every single person on the planet earth benefits from slavery through some chain of events you can draw up if you look hard enough. It becomes a meaningless statement. Like during the exact period mentioned in the article there were peasants in (what is now) finland getting beaten by landowners for not being good boys and girls, and they had no legal recourse. They were essentially deprived of most of the rights citizens usually get, so just a little tiny step above slavery. Nurge fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Oct 26, 2018 18:21
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 quote:Sipilä kommentoi Ylelle sopua Puolangalla navetanvihkimismatkan yhteydessä. Kyllä on saatana perverssiksi mennyt kun pääministerikin saa mennä naimisiin navetan kanssa!!
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Oct 26, 2018 19:45
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Nurge posted:What's the point though? If you want to go far far before Finland even existed for examples of second hand benefits of slavery then you might as well say every single person on the planet earth benefits from slavery through some chain of events you can draw up if you look hard enough. It becomes a meaningless statement. Well, except the slaves. Nurge posted:Like during the exact period mentioned in the article there were peasants in (what is now) finland getting beaten by landowners for not being good boys and girls, and they had no legal recourse. They were essentially deprived of most of the rights citizens usually get, so just a little tiny step above slavery. I dunno where you got your history education from, but we never had serfdom in Finland.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Well, except the slaves. It's not the exact same thing as actual slavery since the nobles didn't literally own the people, but it was effectively fairly similar. They had very few legal rights, and no real options to move elsewhere. Nurge fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Oct 26, 2018 20:19
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Ok, which one of youse guys are posting on Svenska YLE?
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Nurge posted:The land given to russian nobles in southeastern finland was exempt from all kinds of laws, and the peasants living there were essentially in the same position as russian peasants, that is to say serfs. It went on for a fairly long time. At least a hundred years or so before the autonomous finnish regions bought off the lands from the nobles some time in the mid 1800s. This is extremely well documented and I'm surprised you don't know about it. That's true, but I hadn't seen your edits and was talking about Finland as a whole.
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Oct 26, 2018 20:38
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I don't see much of a reason to care if Finland was terrible in the past
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Yeah this isn't really worth arguing over. History is cool, is all.
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My ancestors were torppareita but yeah it's for sure that any Europeans benefited (if ever so slightly) from slavery - which is bad. Then again, I wouldn't kick my head in over that.
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Countries in a certain situation behave in a certain way. Being proud or ashamed of a nation's actions is like being proud or ashamed of having to take a poo poo or the way sun sets in the evening.
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SnowblindFatal posted:Countries in a certain situation behave in a certain way. Being proud or ashamed of a nation's actions is like being proud or ashamed of having to take a poo poo or the way sun sets in the evening. I think it's pretty ok to be angry at the country if they practice slavery.
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Nurge posted:I think it's pretty ok to be angry at the country if they practice slavery. All emotions are ok and you generally shouldn't suppress any of them unless absolutely necessary, and even then they should be expressed later in some way 
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gently caress all of the following countries due to the people living in them: Afghanistan Albania Algeria American Samoa Andorra Angola Anguilla Antigua and Barbuda Argentina Armenia Aruba Australia Austria Azerbaijan Bahamas, The Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belgium Belize Benin Bermuda Bhutan Bolivia Bosnia Botswana Bougainville Brazil British Indian Ocean British Virgin Islands Brunei Bulgaria Burkina Faso Burundi Cambodia Cameroon Canada Cape Verde Islands Cayman Islands Central African Republic Chad Chile China, Hong Kong China, Macau China, People’s Republic China, Taiwan Colombia Comoros Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Republic of Cook Islands Costa Rica Cote d’Ivoire Croatia Cuba Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Djibouti Dominica Dominican Republic Ecuador Egypt El Salvador Equatorial Guinea Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Faeroe Islands Falkland Islands Federated States of Micronesia Fiji Finland France French Guiana French Polynesia Gabon Gambia, The Georgia Germany Ghana Gibraltar Greece Greenland Grenada Guadeloupe Guam Guatemala Guinea Guinea-Bissau Guyana Haiti Holy See (Vatican City State) Honduras Hungary Iceland India Indonesia Iran Iraq Ireland Israel Italy Jamaica Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Kenya Kiribati Korea, Democratic People’s Rep Korea, Republic of Kosovo Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Latvia Lebanon Lesotho Liberia Libya Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Macedonia Madagascar Malawi Malaysia Maldives Mali Malta Martinique Mauritania Mauritius Mayotte Mexico Moldova Monaco Mongolia Montenegro Montserrat Morocco Mozambique Myanmar Namibia Nauru Nepal Netherlands Netherlands Antilles New Caledonia New Zealand Nicaragua Niger Nigeria Norway Oman Pakistan Palestine Panama Papua New Guinea Paraguay Peru Philippines Poland Portugal Puerto Rico Qatar Réunion Romania Russia Rwanda Saint Barthelemy Saint Helena Saint Kitts & Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Martin Saint Pierre & Miquelon Saint Vincent Samoa San Marino Sao Tomé & Principe Saudi Arabia Senegal Serbia Seychelles Sierra Leone Singapore Slovakia Slovenia Solomon Islands Somalia South Africa Spain Sri Lanka Sudan Suriname Swaziland Sweden Switzerland Syria Tajikistan Tanzania Thailand Timor Leste Togo Tokelau Islands Tonga Trinidad & Tobago Tunisia Turkey Turkmenistan Turks & Caicos Islands Tuvalu Uganda Ukraine United Arab Emirates United Kingdom of GB & NI United States of America Uruguay US Virgin Islands Uzbekistan Vanuatu Venezuela Vietnam Wallis & Futuna Islands Yemen Zambia Zimbabwe There I said they're all poo poo what are you gonna do liberal/conservative media
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unohdit atlantiksen ja xanadun siitä listasta
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how dare you besmirch the name of the One True Korea, a shining beacon in these dark times
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Etelä-Sudan on näköjään ihan jees
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I just met Paavo at Kirjamessut. Was walking past the hihhuli department, when he suddenly asked me to write a kannatuskortti. I said "no".
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Chazani posted:I just met Paavo at Kirjamessut. Was walking past the hihhuli department, when he suddenly asked me to write a kannatuskortti. Senkin isänmaanpetturi
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Chazani posted:I just met Paavo at Kirjamessut. Was walking past the hihhuli department, when he suddenly asked me to write a kannatuskortti. giljotiini odottaa
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if you meet paavo on the road, kill him you absolute cretin, idiootti
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