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ThingOne posted:I want to see what they do with Pigbarter, the weird greenskin/human shantytown in the southern Dark Lands. Non-violent interaction between humans and greenskins in Warhammer is one of the really compelling "you could actually make a half-decent story out of this" ideas. It is confirmed to happen but it's so rarely depicted.
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I mean, CA really leaned into it, making 'Runners look even more ninjalike and giving them shurikens.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:00
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Non-violent interaction between humans and greenskins in Warhammer is one of the really compelling "you could actually make a half-decent story out of this" ideas. Brought together by the fine sport of pig-jousting.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:40
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ThingOne posted:Brought together by the fine sport of pig-jousting. And protected by owl policemen.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:50
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ThingOne posted:Brought together by the fine sport of pig-jousting. Somewhere in Couronne, Louen Leoncoeur's moustache twitches, and without another word he leaves his kingdom, knowing what he must do.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:53
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I dont know posted:Somewhere in Couronne, Louen Leoncoeur's moustache twitches, and without another word he leaves his kingdom, knowing what he must do. I could see pig-jousting being incredibly popular with the Bretonnian peasantry. ThingOne fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 23:30
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ThingOne posted:I could see pig-jousting being incredibly popular with the Bretonnian peasantry. Bretonnian peasants aren't allowed to have real weapons.  Any sort of ranged weapon doesn't count as a real weapon to the nobles.
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Oct 25, 2018 23:33
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Cythereal posted:Bretonnian peasants aren't allowed to have real weapons. yeronner, it's a swineherds crook. loik a shepherds crook. just bigger. and pointier.
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Oct 25, 2018 23:39
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Cythereal posted:Bretonnian peasants aren't allowed to have real weapons. It’s not like the Gnoblars have real weapons either . All you need is a couple of kids, some brooms, and pigs and you’ve got a fun-filled feast day afternoon.
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Oct 25, 2018 23:39
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chivalry disdains mercenaries, but on occasion, the lords of Brettonia will enlist the services of local peasants to bolster their numbers. those who perform well may be granted wealth beyond the usual peasants wildest dreams! for example, the time a few hundred "shepherds" appeared shortly after a tilean mercenary company went missing somewhere near carcassonne, and were rewarded approximately standard combat pay rates for said tilean mercenary company following Brettonia's noble victory. also they got to keep the one sheep they were given to keep up appearances.
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Oct 25, 2018 23:46
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Quick survey, but what actual historical period would be best for Cathay to emulate? Empire is great because the pike & shot era has the widest variety of weapons and units to pick from (and the most stylish uniforms). Is there an analogue in Chinese history?
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Oct 26, 2018 00:26
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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon era.
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Oct 26, 2018 00:27
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The Spring and Autumn Period/ 7 Warring States Period with some twists would be good from a Total War perspective. Make the player a warlord within the empire jockeying for power while currying favor with the Dragon Emperor for bonuses. I’m thinking he should be a bit aloof and not really care if the lords under him use their personal forces to fight each other as long as they contribute to the defense of the realm as a whole.
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Oct 26, 2018 00:40
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If I was designing it, I'd look to the Song Dynasty for inspiration. You've got the highly advanced (relatively speaking) empire in decline and under constant siege by barbarians forces. They're on the verge of entering a new age with experimental gunpowder weaponry and arguably the first early modern economy. There was a badass kung fu general who almost turned it around but was killed by a scheming corrupt official. That already sounds like a Warhammer setting tbh.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:06
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Triskelli posted:Quick survey, but what actual historical period would be best for Cathay to emulate? Empire is great because the pike & shot era has the widest variety of weapons and units to pick from (and the most stylish uniforms). Is there an analogue in Chinese history? I think the earliest gunpowder period in the 12th century would offer some cool as hell units like Cathay grenadiers, fire lance spear troops (basically a blunderbuss shotgun that was fired off before charging with the spear), and explosive arrows. You could add some flavor to the grenadiers by having them use some sort of Ketchum grenade with a blasting cap at the tip that can be swung and hurled by a streamer that ensures the blasting cap hits the ground and the grenade goes off on impact. Basically an explosive Comet Ball. Some other cool weapons or troops would be repeating crossbows and zhanmadao "Horse Beheading Swords." Mix in some recurve bow horse archer skirmishers and assorted light cav and that would be a pretty good core of human troops that could be supported by more exotic monstrous or construct units.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:15
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AngryBooch posted:I think the earliest gunpowder period in the 12th century would offer some cool as hell units like Cathay grenadiers, fire lance spear troops (basically a blunderbuss shotgun that was fired off before charging with the spear), and explosive arrows. You could add some flavor to the grenadiers by having them use some sort of Ketchum grenade with a blasting cap at the tip that can be swung and hurled by a streamer that ensures the blasting cap hits the ground and the grenade goes off on impact. Basically an explosive Comet Ball. Now I'm disappointed this won't be in TW3, it sounds so cool.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:21
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There's even some precedence in the fluff for Cathayan vampire counts, an offshoot of the Lahmian line that's been mentioned in a few books.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:24
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Only if they hop around like those dorky jiangshi vampires.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:29
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Not specifically Cathay related but holding the entire Silk Road should give absurd economic bonuses.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:29
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Cathay siege.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:31
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AngryBooch posted:I think the earliest gunpowder period in the 12th century would offer some cool as hell units like Cathay grenadiers, fire lance spear troops (basically a blunderbuss shotgun that was fired off before charging with the spear), and explosive arrows. You could add some flavor to the grenadiers by having them use some sort of Ketchum grenade with a blasting cap at the tip that can be swung and hurled by a streamer that ensures the blasting cap hits the ground and the grenade goes off on impact. Basically an explosive Comet Ball. Yeah, Cathay should definitely be a gunpowder faction, kudos if they combine it with magic. High armoured, unbreakable terracotta soldiers with firearms. :gettin:
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Oct 26, 2018 01:32
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Mantis42 posted:Only if they hop around like those dorky jiangshi vampires. Yes.  HELL YES
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Oct 26, 2018 01:36
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The Empire Captain named Dagobert Dog-Burglar has got to be the best named hero I've seen yet.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:37
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How about we get Dogs, Araby, and Amazons before begging for Cathay...
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Oct 26, 2018 01:43
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I just want Vampirates to release already before this thread eats itself alive by way of ever increasing Game Three darkhorse faction speculation.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:45
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It does seem like CA had a weirdly accelerated/front-loaded news cycle for this DLC.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:49
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Warhammer Fantasy is brighter than the 30 Years War period it is based on. In the Storm of Chaos Archaon's armies killed a smaller proportion of the Empire than Karl Gustav's forces did in the HRE, and the fantasy version was not nearly as ravaged by internal religious conflicts, plagues and foreign interventions.
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Oct 26, 2018 02:03
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Chaos worship IS less odious than Calvinism, now that you mention it.
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Mantis42 posted:Chaos worship IS less odious than Calvinism, now that you mention it. 
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Oct 26, 2018 02:19
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I'm not sure that Warhammer has any credible census organizations.
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Oct 26, 2018 02:42
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gently caress Calvinism. All of the brain rot, none of the cool tentacle arms.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I'm not sure that Warhammer has any credible census organizations. Sigmar's Heirs for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2E has a full census of the Imperial Provinces (including numbers for the population missing or confirmed dead from the Storm) and Stone & Steel for 1st edition has another for all Dwarf Karaks. The numbers (which I saved because I GM WFRP) went to: ~310k Dwarfs living in Old World Kharaks. ~460k Humans in the Empire (post Storm of Chaos, you can add another ~50k on a pre-Storm of Chaos setting). Which is actually really really small, the historical HRE during the 30 Years War had 46 times the population of the Empire, but fantasy writers are not the best with scale.
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Given that 40k vehicles are listed as having thinner armor than vehicles from ww2 I'm pretty sure every statistic gw has ever written down is pure horseshit. The entire setting collapses if you actually take them seriously.
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AnEdgelord posted:Given that 40k vehicles are listed as having thinner armor than vehicles from ww2 I'm pretty sure every statistic gw has ever written down is pure horseshit. The entire setting collapses if you actually take them seriously.  aaaaaaactually that's plasteel/ceramite composite armor, it doesn't have to be as thick.
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Honestly, what I want most from DLC right now would be a Legendary Lords pack to add new LLs to the more neglected armies, preferably with new factions. Say: Elspeth von Draken for the Empire, Repanse de Lysonne for Bretonnia, Thorek Ironbrow for the Dwarfs, Ushoran for the Vampire Counts, Sisters of Twilight for wood elves, Valkia the Bloody for Norsca, Tehenhauin for Lizardmen, Gorbad Ironclaw for Greenskins, and Taurox for Beastmen.
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Oct 26, 2018 03:14
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Am I the only one who couldn’t care less about Amazons?
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Oct 26, 2018 04:13
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After Norsca and now Sartosa, I'm of the mind that anything CA puts out will probably be pretty good. That being said, I'd rather see their Southern Realms or Araby than Amazons.
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Cythereal posted:Honestly, what I want most from DLC right now would be a Legendary Lords pack to add new LLs to the more neglected armies, preferably with new factions. Say: Elspeth von Draken for the Empire, Repanse de Lysonne for Bretonnia, Thorek Ironbrow for the Dwarfs, Ushoran for the Vampire Counts, Sisters of Twilight for wood elves, Valkia the Bloody for Norsca, Tehenhauin for Lizardmen, Gorbad Ironclaw for Greenskins, and Taurox for Beastmen. I really just want to see them fast-track some of the updates for the first game's factions on the ME map.
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ZearothK posted:fantasy writers are not the best with scale. understatement of the decade e: my own rule of thumb with anything date related is "divide by ten and it starts being somewhat sensible"
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Am I the only one who couldn’t care less about Amazons? Why do you hate women! As i understood it the empire actually had pretty huge population numbers with people highly concentrated inside cities or scattered around the country side--which ever was safer. I always figured the dawi to be very numerous but they're hard to round up and the talk of their population was always comparing it to the golden age. There's a blurb about DE's having 80k warriors in this 1 fortress during the end times and it wasn't even a capital so i imagine cities with 200-900 thousand people in them being perfectly viable. Gotta remember humans are likely having massive families and are only limited by food and housing with the population getting culled every other generation during some big event that just allows the population to bounce back. I loved what VT did for the setting because the main cities are fairly small yet each one looks able to house 100k people easily. Usingen in VT2 looks like it houses around 30k people and i feel the level of fortification represents a great snap shot of warhammer life. You cluster together for protection with the country side being empty so you have these giant hamlets with a ton of farmland around it to support the population.
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