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The Milkman posted:Last time it happened, yeah the disk was the only thing with much activity -- CPU, Memory, Network were all negligible. I didn't manage a screen grab but it was mostly Logfile and Windows Storage Class something other other with the most activity. This sounds like a thing I've had happen before as well, and similarly it was relatively soon after a fresh install or the biannual updates. Looking at process monitor is was all stuff in system folders, particularly WinSXS. I think it's maintaining Side by Side, like win10 needs to rebuild the guts of that whole thing occasionally. So I guess my advice is if it happens again in the future, just leave your laptop plugged in and running for a few hours when you're not using it.
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isndl posted:I'm guessing they are building a completely new index/cache, hence the part about it being a resource intensive activity. Plus they might be giving numbers for HDD based installs, SSD searching might be done in seconds without an index but lots of people still have HDD for bulk storage.
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Oct 26, 2018 02:14
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Dylan16807 posted:Everything takes seconds on a hard drive too. But it has to bypass the filesystem because somehow going through the filesystem makes scanning a hard drive fifty times slower. It's kind of impressive how much of a bottleneck you get with a lot of files. Well, whatever third party search you're using had to spend fifteen minutes building their index the first time too, I don't see any particular reason to give Microsoft poo poo about it in this case. 
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Oct 26, 2018 02:21
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Well, no... Specifically referenced Everything by voidtools is nearly instantaneous. It's eerie.
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Oct 26, 2018 03:52
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Tapedump posted:Well, no... that just searches by filename the thing that MS is doing is gonna index file contents
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Oct 26, 2018 04:00
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The Milkman posted:Last time it happened, yeah the disk was the only thing with much activity -- CPU, Memory, Network were all negligible. I didn't manage a screen grab but it was mostly Logfile and Windows Storage Class something other other with the most activity. That's a good NVMe SSD. It really does sound like the issue is Windows background activity, especially when you can't identify any obvious 3rd-party applications using excessive resources in Task Manager. Definitely let the system do what it needs to do by leaving it on for awhile when you're not using it.
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Oct 26, 2018 04:14
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Tapedump posted:Well, no... Some quick googling indicates that Everything manages to build their index so quickly because they rip the filenames from the MFT (on NTFS/ReFS filesystems). The caveat to this is that it only indexes filenames and cannot do searches inside files, e.g. documents and zip archives. This does make me wonder why they never bothered to index the filenames for the rest of the drive by default, although perhaps they were loathe to have inconsistent indexing depth.
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Oct 26, 2018 04:24
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isndl posted:Some quick googling indicates that Everything manages to build their index so quickly because they rip the filenames from the MFT (on NTFS/ReFS filesystems). The caveat to this is that it only indexes filenames and cannot do searches inside files, e.g. documents and zip archives. And see, does anyone search inside files for anything? I mean I have never done that in my entire life. Nor has anyone else I know personally.
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Oct 26, 2018 04:55
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I have done so on more than one occasion.
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Oct 26, 2018 06:00
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redeyes posted:And see, does anyone search inside files for anything? I mean I have never done that in my entire life. Nor has anyone else I know personally. Searching inside files is pretty drat useful when you have a thousand Word docs and don't remember the exact name of the one you're looking for, especially when working with files handed over from someone else so it has a different or inconsistent naming schema.
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Oct 26, 2018 06:21
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redeyes posted:And see, does anyone search inside files for anything? I mean I have never done that in my entire life. Nor has anyone else I know personally.
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Oct 26, 2018 11:34
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Can't wait for that Windows built in Enhanced Mode!
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Oct 26, 2018 16:25
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mystes posted:Yes, all the time. Well ok then. I guess it all depends how you file stuff.
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Oct 26, 2018 18:04
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Im_Special posted:Can't wait for that Windows built in Enhanced Mode! clippy but in start menu? well sign me up!
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Oct 26, 2018 18:07
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redeyes posted:Well ok then. I guess it all depends how you file stuff. Alternatively, please explain how filing stuff differently would allow me to search whether a large number of documents contain text that I was not specifically aware I would need to search for at the time I originally saved the documents.
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Oct 26, 2018 18:23
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mystes posted:No, it depends whether you need to search within files. You don't, that doesn't mean that nobody needs to. Well I'd rather the loving search works first, then you can look inside files all you want.
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Oct 26, 2018 18:25
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Im_Special posted:Can't wait for that Windows built in Enhanced Mode! lol this is why I still use a start menu replacement in 2018, even if the UI of the current stock start menu is fine.
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Oct 26, 2018 19:50
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I feel left out; my win10 start menu/search hasn't not worked yet and I'm all the way up to 1803. Then again, I did wait until around just before the Anniversary edition to even upgrade to Windows 10. astral fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Oct 26, 2018 20:06
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I think searching INSIDE files is not something that most people would THINK they need. Most people think of file names. HOWEVER If you could search by file name and people discovered it was also searching within file contents, many people would be pleasantly surprised. They’d find stuff they forgot the name to, bonus related materials, etc. even though they never thought to specifically search within the file. That’s my 2c.
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Oct 26, 2018 20:20
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astral posted:I feel left out; my win10 start menu hasn't not worked yet and I'm all the way up to 1803. Turn off cortana and let the party begin!  That seems to gently caress up mine.
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Oct 26, 2018 20:20
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:Turn off cortana and let the party begin! I have never used Cortana (it is disabled).
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Oct 26, 2018 20:22
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astral posted:I have never used Cortana (it is disabled). Lucky you, it seems that I need to delete some weird cortana folder in AppData every couple of weeks otherwise search dies.
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Oct 26, 2018 20:28
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I'd use Cortana but it can't even do basic stuff like setting a reminder without making you sign in, so I don't bother Then again you can't even view Microsoft's own community forums without signing in, so gently caress you if you're trying to google some issue I guess
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Oct 26, 2018 20:30
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astral posted:I feel left out; my win10 start menu/search hasn't not worked yet and I'm all the way up to 1803. Yeah, same. Windows 8's start screen/search gave me much more trouble than 10 ever did. Should be noted that Cortana is still not even available in my region, because lol Microsoft. e: I did upgrade to 10 as soon as it became available for me way back in 2015, a couple of months after the official launch date.
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Oct 27, 2018 09:18
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Like half of my job is searching the contents of files and it's not exactly an unsolved problem in computer science or anything. Windows' search is a marketing tool more than a useful feature.
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Oct 27, 2018 12:43
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dougdrums posted:Like half of my job is searching the contents of files and it's not exactly an unsolved problem in computer science or anything. Windows' search is a marketing tool more than a useful feature. Okay, and...? You already search inside files so Microsoft shouldn't bother? Windows search doesn't need any improvement because it's a marketing tool? I'm reading a negative tone from your post but I don't know to interpret it when the topic is 'Microsoft is trying to improve their search function'.
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Oct 27, 2018 13:13
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redeyes posted:And see, does anyone search inside files for anything? I mean I have never done that in my entire life. Nor has anyone else I know personally. I pointed Windows' search index towards a folder containing a couple of hundred OCR'ed PDFs at work so I search through them to look up information quickly. It's proven immensely useful. Windows' index takes a while to build but I've never had problems with it consuming resources when I needed them, as it tends to always stay a low priority task for me.
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Oct 28, 2018 15:44
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If you're searching inside a file, just use grep "[text you're searching for here]" file.bla, you can specify multiple files and use wildcards. It's fast and efficient.
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Oct 28, 2018 15:59
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Broken Machine posted:If you're searching inside a file, just use grep "[text you're searching for here]" file.bla, you can specify multiple files and use wildcards. It's fast and efficient. Also, who needs database indexes when you can just iterate through the whole database each time! mystes fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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Oct 28, 2018 16:42
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mystes posted:Quick someone tell Elasticsearch and Google. I presume that there is a difference between the number and total size of documents that you have on your computer vs google (or what elasticsearch can do). A few orders of magnitude difference. Now, the question is: do you need to have an indexer running (hell, you can use elasticsearch for free now if you want) on your computer all the time to help you with the search or something like grep is fine for your needs?
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Oct 28, 2018 17:20
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Volguus posted:I presume that there is a difference between the number and total size of documents that you have on your computer vs google (or what elasticsearch can do). A few orders of magnitude difference. Now, the question is: do you need to have an indexer running (hell, you can use elasticsearch for free now if you want) on your computer all the time to help you with the search or something like grep is fine for your needs?
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Oct 28, 2018 17:36
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isndl posted:Okay, and...? You already search inside files so Microsoft shouldn't bother? Windows search doesn't need any improvement because it's a marketing tool? Yeah it would be useful, but I don't use it for the marketing reasons anyway. It was just a little funny that the other poster thought it wasn't a useful feature. I think you'd have to extract files out of office zip files which makes it a less-than-trivial task. dougdrums fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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Oct 28, 2018 22:24
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dougdrums posted:I think you'd have to extract files out of office zip files which makes it a less-than-trivial task.
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Oct 28, 2018 22:47
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Despite the name it's not a search function, it's more of a suggestion function.
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Oct 28, 2018 23:52
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I use Everything and Astrogrep for my searching and searching-inside needs, but that announcement is definitely piquing my curiosity.
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Oct 29, 2018 02:17
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Windows 10 Notepad can't even word wrap right. Words that start 4 or 5 characters from the edge of the window get cut in half instead of moving over to the next line. 
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Oct 29, 2018 10:47
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Que? If I write 'test test test test test test s' and size the window so that the s is the last character on the first line, then finish writing s'upercollider' from that s, 'supercollider' fully wraps around to the 2nd line. Am I misinterpreting you?
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Nam Taf posted:Que? If I write 'test test test test test test s' and size the window so that the s is the last character on the first line, then finish writing s'upercollider' from that s, 'supercollider' fully wraps around to the 2nd line. Am I misinterpreting you? Sorry, I didn't explain very well and also it's apparently only when it's exactly 3 characters from the edge and even then sometimes it doesn't happen (depending on how you enter the text?)??? Here's a screenshot: 
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Geemer posted:Sorry, I didn't explain very well and also it's apparently only when it's exactly 3 characters from the edge and even then sometimes it doesn't happen (depending on how you enter the text?)??? Hey nice I also disable cortana, despite the obnoxious hurdles it takes to actually disable Cortana.
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jokes posted:Hey nice I also disable cortana, despite the obnoxious hurdles it takes to actually disable Cortana. I live in the Netherlands. My hurdles would be to enable it. (Which I absolutely don't want.)
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