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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, I'm not sure what part of the recent Talons backlash made them think "You know what, what if we did Talons with River Song?" instead of "You know what, Talons is super racist and I'm confused as to why it's taken this long to acknowledged at large." why was there "recent" talons backlash, did people just not know it existed before now
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corn in the bible posted:why was there "recent" talons backlash, did people just not know it existed before now It was a whole Doctor Who Magazine thing. A fresh set of writers tackled Talons for one of DWM's regular features, and suggested that the story might be... racist! (no poo poo) And then the DWM editor, apparently uncomfortable with what he'd just commissioned from these new writers, wrote a foreword to the magazine that that undermined the article he'd commissioned, in the same issue. Apparently he didn't see how loving stupid and unprofessional that was. Anyway, the associated furor has brought arguments about the series' inherent problems with race (localised around Talons, but also the show at large) back into circulation among Certain Fans. Perhaps backlash wasn't quite the right word, but it's one of those dumb dramas that Who's large enough to support, but small enough to perpetuate.
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Oct 27, 2018 07:05
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corn in the bible posted:I find Ten's incomprehensible personality swings kind of hilarious, in one episode he's a pacifist and in the next he traps a small child in a mirror forever because ironic punishments are his big thing, except when they aren't I was about to suggest the disparities could be explained by the fact that in the case of Human Nature, they were adapting a story written for the Seventh Doctor of the NAs, all the "ironic punishment" stuff would make a certain degree of sense in that context where it doesn't necessarily for Ten. But then I went back and checked the book, none of that stuff is in it at all. What the gently caress.
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Oct 27, 2018 11:03
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adhuin posted:For those who miss Missy, Michelle Gomez is a regular on a new netflix series Chilling Adventures of Sabrina: I think that's just Michelle Gomez's root state, considering she's exactly the same in Green Wing (and the best part of the show  ).
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Oct 27, 2018 13:18
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Maelstache posted:
Yeah, see the book is really good, while the tv episode is only good for the the RTD era.
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Oct 27, 2018 13:22
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corn in the bible posted:This is ridiculous, Big Finish is great no adhuin posted:For those who miss Missy, Michelle Gomez is a regular on a new netflix series Chilling Adventures of Sabrina: oh poo poo I guess I have to watch that show
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Oct 27, 2018 13:27
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 In a good year, Big Finish might put out two stories worth listening to, which is a bit worrying since they release round about seventy-five. I listened through most of the main run at work several years ago, and the gaps in between good stories just got longer and longer and longer until I ran into like fifteen poo poo stories in a row and gave it all up. It's the same eight guys grabbing monsters out of a hat. Doing a quick estimate by glancing at the Big Finish Wikipedia page, Nicholas Briggs may have written over one hundred Doctor Who stories. How many of them are good? Ten? Five? RTD wrote about thirty and Moffat forty-five-ish, for comparisons' sake. Rochallor fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Oct 27, 2018 |
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Oct 27, 2018 13:43
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Rochallor posted:RTD wrote about thirty and Moffat firty-five-ish, for comparisons' sake. Damned British math.
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Oct 27, 2018 13:45
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Yeah BF has gotten progressively more generic as its gone along. Recently they released two different 'Fighting daleks in submarines' episodes within a couple months, it was absurd. Oh, and they were both crap. They were great in the wilderness years, when they really tried weird new stuff. Didn't always land, but they were trying in a way they haven't in years. They also had much better writers back then.
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Oct 27, 2018 13:47
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Rhyno posted:Damned British math. Oh yeesh, that could be like three different numbers.
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Rhyno posted:Damned British math. Maths* There is some good Big Finish but there’s so much that you really need to curate it. Sturgeon’s law at work. I also haven’t kept up with their more recent work, it all sounds kinda uninspired
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Oct 27, 2018 13:57
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It's dull as dish water, and usually consists of Briggs lifting plots and characters from world war two films wholesale. It also apes nuwho constantly, rather than doing its own thing. Something like scherzo or even flip flop would never get made by modern BF
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Oct 27, 2018 14:02
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Barry Foster posted:Something like scherzo or even flip flop would never get made by modern BF There are some good hidden pockets -- Benny, Torchwood and Dark Shadows, which are effectively run by a separate contingent within the company -- but yeah, BF's Briggs era has been poison to creativity within the company. He's on record as to believing that Doctor Who only works as a certain kind of show, and you can really tell by looking at the kind of stuff he produces. It's stolid, at best.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:08
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misadventurous posted:There is some good Big Finish but there’s so much that you really need to curate it. Sturgeon’s law at work. I also haven’t kept up with their more recent work, it all sounds kinda uninspired Looking again at the Wikipedia page, the last main line release I remembered enjoying was Heroes of Sontar, which was released in 2011. I got through the releases of 2014 or so before giving up. Barry Foster posted:They were great in the wilderness years, when they really tried weird new stuff. Didn't always land, but they were trying in a way they haven't in years. They also had much better writers back then. Oh definitely, there was still some bog-standard Doctor Who stuff, but there was also a lack of bog-standard Doctor Who stuff at the time. But when there are televised stories about ghosts on a spaceship and 19th century British soldiers meeting Ice Warriors, it makes you wonder what the point of it is. I would say it's too much to ask for Big Finish, as low-tier licensed fiction, to be more experimental, but there was a period where they were actually experimenting! And they've got the perfect operation set up to do it! They should be actively curating new writers who want to do stuff that doesn't involve (A. Daleks B. Cybermen C. Uh, Rutans D. Draconians) on (A. an abandoned space station B. 22nd century Earth C. Ancient Rome D. a submarine, thanks Barry Foster) trying to (A. Defeat a rival civilization B. Alter the course of human history C. Exploit a resource D. Run some experiment). We've already established that their audience isn't super picky, so let some young hungry writers run wild.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:11
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Rochallor posted:We've already established that their audience isn't super picky, so let some young hungry writers run wild. While I stand by what I said about Briggs, I also suspect that their core audience is super picky, and what they want is the derivative run around stuff. The last few years have completely dropped character arcs (and even undone significant character development, in the case of Ace) because it was considered unpopular. Nicola Bryant asked for rewrites on one of her stories because she was unhappy that her character was being treated similarly, and she's not recorded anything with them since. They're absolutely averse of doing anything complex. It's just how the Briggs ranges are these days.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:21
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The 6th Doctor Regeneration Boxset and the contemporary post-Trial Six-and-Peri stories were so dire they turned me off BF big-time.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:23
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It's a similar problem to Star Wars...episode VII is seen as too derivative of the original trilogy and gee wouldn't it be nice if Star Wars broke some new ground. Episode VIII goes in new directions and it's seen as utterly ruinous and why didn't they treat the OT with more respect. You've got two wildly different audience segments and nothing is gonna please them both
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Oct 27, 2018 14:25
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But surely BF would be more capable of serving both audiences? Even back when they were "only" making twelve stories a year, that's a great many more hours of content than Star Wars produces in a year. I reckon they should massively cut back, allowing their writers to actually focus on writing one script a year instead of ten, and then split their stories between rad and trad, rather than making almost exclusively trad choices.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:29
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Open Source Idiom posted:While I stand by what I said about Briggs, I also suspect that their core audience is super picky, and what they want is the derivative run around stuff. The last few years have completely dropped character arcs (and even undone significant character development, in the case of Ace) because it was considered unpopular. Huh. Yikes.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:38
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did the eighth doctor box sets also get bad? tragic
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Oct 27, 2018 14:41
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I don't listen to a lot of BF but I'm glad it exists because maybe someday Eccleston will sign on.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:42
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corn in the bible posted:did the eighth doctor box sets also get bad? tragic The biggest crime of the 8th doctor boxes have been refusing to commit to the big arcs. The recent Ravenous set, for example, has three stories with precisely zero reference to the titular Ravenous
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Oct 27, 2018 14:43
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I mean, when you only get McGann in for 4-6 hours a year, you wanna tell some varied stories, I imagine.
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Oct 27, 2018 14:44
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You can’t just have McGann in big 4 part universe-destroying boxsets all the time. You have to have smaller, quieter stories too.
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The_Doctor posted:You can’t just have McGann in big 4 part universe-destroying boxsets all the time. You have to have smaller, quieter stories too. Where he loses his memory.
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Oct 27, 2018 15:06
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I would be happier if the Dark Eyes/Doom Coalition/Ravenous stories had been released as monthly/bi monthly single releases (but otherwise completely unchanged) rather than big box sets. 1) more frequent doses of McGann, 2) there's not as much of an expectation for each set to be solely devoted to the big arc.
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Oct 27, 2018 15:09
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Paul McGann plays an investment banker who finds unexpected love with a busker. Romcom hijinks ensue, and they fall in love. In the final ten minutes, he slips and hits his head in the shower, remembers he’s The Doctor and TARDISes away without saying a word
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HD DAD posted:Paul McGann plays an investment banker who finds unexpected love with a busker. Romcom hijinks ensue, and they fall in love. In the final ten minutes, he slips and hits his head in the shower, remembers he’s The Doctor and TARDISes away without saying a word I assume that’s the ending of everything McGann is in. For instance, Withnail & I is really easy to slot into the Earth arc in the EDA books.
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HD DAD posted:Paul McGann plays an investment banker who finds unexpected love with a busker. Romcom hijinks ensue, and they fall in love. In the final ten minutes, he slips and hits his head in the shower, remembers he’s The Doctor and TARDISes away without saying a word Cool Black Mirror ep.
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The_Doctor posted:I assume that’s the ending of everything McGann is in. For instance, Withnail & I is really easy to slot into the Earth arc in the EDA books. Luther is just the tragic tale of the Doctor loosing another companion?
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jivjov posted:I would be happier if the Dark Eyes/Doom Coalition/Ravenous stories had been released as monthly/bi monthly single releases (but otherwise completely unchanged) rather than big box sets. 1) more frequent doses of McGann, 2) there's not as much of an expectation for each set to be solely devoted to the big arc. Yeah, that's kind of the problem they've had with the Ravenous stuff - the presentation of it as an overarcing boxset like the previous boxsets, even though it's mostly one-shots, and then an episode dealing with the Ravenous. I mean, it's nice to get away from arc stuff with the Eighth Doctor, and just have him go on fun adventures, and not subject to absolute misery all the time - and that would be a pretty good idea, cheaper one-offs like they do with the Fourth Doctor stuff. BF also expanding its stable of writers would be welcome also - I enjoy most of its output, but some fresher names appearing with new ideas is never a bad thing.
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In Briggs defense, his The Prisoner series is good. It may be that he's in a rut with Who but shines elsewhere. Like Joseph "Misery Porn" Lidster who has written some dire Doctor Who stories but does great as the showrunner of Dark Shadows.
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IN other news: https://io9.gizmodo.com/these-reality-tv-stars-tangoed-to-the-doctor-who-theme-1830048241 Well it's the worst Cyberman redesign in a long time, but at least they have the Middle Eight! 
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Oct 27, 2018 23:06
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Which part of Paul McGann is the Middle Eight?
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the dick
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My major issue with Big Finish is that somehow they haven't found a way to pay my salary so that I have any time to listen to it now that I have such a quick commute. Playing it through speakers is one of the few things that wakes the baby, and it turns out headphones are inconvenient when you have a baby. Please pay me to listen to, and write reviews for, Big Finish, Emperor Dalek.
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Now the last year of completely mad deadlines is almost behind me, I do really need to start listening to Big Finish again - it's true that they seem to hit periods where they play it safe and it gets dull, but then they'll do something completely out there or weird or different (I loving love Year of the Pig) that gets me pumped up for more. That said, in my main series run I've only just reached 2010 (about to start 1000 Tiny Wings which I've heard is great) and most of the more modern stuff I've listened to has been their revival specials like The 10th Doctor Adventures/The War Doctor/The War Master/River Song etc where the novelty alone is enough to overwhelm any other issues they might have, so I don't know if the quality of the main range has majorly declined or not.
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Cleretic posted:Okay, that's all a pretty fair judgement on the period stuff. The cost of period clothing/set dressing sneaks up on you. Except when you can re-use old stuff. It's why a lot of Star Trek TOS was done the way it was, and part of the reason the costumes in The Ribos Operation look so good is that they were from a production of Anna Karenina. Even in the modern series you still get things like reusing the sets built for Rome for the Pompeii episode.
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Yeah historicals can share resources with the Beeb’s period dramas, but I don’t know how much this happens in practice. Rosa was probably quite expensive because I doubt there’s a lot of material there useful for the American South in the 1950s.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah historicals can share resources with the Beeb’s period dramas, but I don’t know how much this happens in practice. Rosa was probably quite expensive because I doubt there’s a lot of material there useful for the American South in the 1950s. Sourcing the 50s/60s American cars alone and renting them cannot have been cheap... Jerusalem posted:That said, in my main series run I've only just reached 2010 (about to start 1000 Tiny Wings which I've heard is great) and most of the more modern stuff I've listened to has been their revival specials like The 10th Doctor Adventures/The War Doctor/The War Master/River Song etc where the novelty alone is enough to overwhelm any other issues they might have, so I don't know if the quality of the main range has majorly declined or not. This is me too. I think I'm somewhere in 2013 to 2015 depending on Doctor in my loose chronological Main Range listen, but for the past couple years have been buying stuff like Jago and Litefoot, War/10/River/Master/Third, Companion Chronicles, Early Adventures, etc. Not to mention Dark Shadows and Blake's Seven, or The Prisoner. I've also been branching into some non-BF drama (which is free) in podcast form with titles like "We're Alive" (zombies) or scifi stuff like Tanis and Wolf 359. There's a lot of audio drama out there. Main Range does not help itself at $13 a pop for one story when I can spend $20-$30 depending on sales for a box set of 4 stories or $11 for an Early Adventure/Companion Chronicles. It's just more economical. I have a longer commute than ever but money is tighter so I can't justify doing those "Oh, I think I'll just drop $70 this week and get a story or two from each Doc in the Main Range" purchases any more. Shoot, I wait a couple years more and they'll drop the next 50-100 down to $5 or something anyway. I just noticed today that the first 100 stories are now $2.99. No idea if this is permanent or a weekend sales but there are several I never got from that run and for that price whelp might as well drop $30 and get 10!
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