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juggalo baby coffin posted:im wondering if they will do all 4 chaos gods at release, cause thats a looot of factions if you want some non-chaos poo poo on top of that Each chaos faction only has 3 or 4 daemon types plus a hero and lord. there's the base infantry, cavalry, beasts, and big beasts. I could see that being a single faction Salted_Pork fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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Turin is good at what he does; a little too good. There are times where I get overloaded processing what he's saying and then realize I haven't paid attention and have to wind back the video.
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Salted_Pork posted:Each chaos faction only has 3 or 4 daemon types plus a hero and lord. there's the base infantry, cavalry, beasts, and big beasts. I could see that being a single faction didnt they initially say though that they would be doing factions for all four chaos gods, given how the base game basically has no chaos god-specific stuff at all in it?
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juggalo baby coffin posted:didnt they initially say though that they would be doing factions for all four chaos gods, given how the base game basically has no chaos god-specific stuff at all in it? And on the tabletop the Daemons don't really have enough chaos god specific content to make 4 factions. Each god only has 4 units. I think? Something like a single faction where a lord dedicated to a certain god gets to recruit god's units would make more sense. Though an even better idea would be to not include Daemons at all. Because gently caress chaos.
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Oct 28, 2018 10:57
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I can see them releasing 4 lords at first then another 4 as DLC. If there's one faction that could justify that many lords it would be Daemons.
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Oct 28, 2018 11:25
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Raygereio posted:The data-mined stuff way back talked about game three's initial 4 factions being just the 4 chaos gods. But that Russian write up stopped being accurate a while ago. Chaos is pretty boring right now without daemons tho.
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Oct 28, 2018 11:32
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Arghy posted:Holy poo poo manfred on a dragon in C&C with huge unit size has 36,000 hp's--he shrugged off 2 units of giant slayers with 1 unit of slayers beating on him. Going to try 2 thunderers with grommy and see if it works out better--i know ungrim barely beat him with help 25 turns ago i can only imagine the beast he is now. Also wtf is up with bloodknights 18 of them somehow survived 3 miners, 2 warriors, and ulthars raiders throwing axes at them for nearly 3 minutes. This right here proves that 99% of overhaul mods are basically glorified cheat/trainer mods.
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Plavski posted:Chaos is pretty boring right now without daemons tho. I will admit that a lot of my disdain for Daemons comes from me not liking their aesthetic and the fact that all Daemon players I encountered while playing the tabletop game (all 3 of them) were the stereotypical fatbeards with poor hygiene who always tried to cheat and did so poorly. No, those dice you dropped on the ground where I couldn't see them did not all roll 6s. Come on!
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Savy Saracen salad posted:This right here proves that 99% of overhaul mods are basically glorified cheat/trainer mods. Not sure how you read that from "I, as dwarfs, tried to kill Mannfred and some blood knights and they took an absurd pounding." It doesn't sound too different from someone new marvelling at how tw1 release Grimgor could just gently caress up your whole dwarf stack if he hits you in the first few turns before you had an answer to him.
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Chaos daemons are Officially Their Own Faction as of 7th and 8th ed fantasy but we’re in Vampire Coast territory now, let alone Cathay or Araby being possible. Absolutely no one wants just chaos daemons all teamed up and alone in a faction. Absolutely no one wants four factions of just the existing god-aligned daemons split up into tiny rosters. Do what GW did in older versions and then re-did just recently. Chaos is dudes and daemons and beasts teamed up, with unique units for each god. Go ham. Look at all the existing chaos art. Look at some of the new AoS and 40k stuff. There is so much more to chaos in its art and potential rosters than “each god has exactly one daemon type per force org slot, and all the mortals get technoviking armour.” Ravenfood posted:Not sure how you read that from "I, as dwarfs, tried to kill Mannfred and some blood knights and they took an absurd pounding." Who here misses the halycon days of anyone, ever, saying “oh gently caress its grimgor” Rip sweet prince you will have good stats in the afterlife Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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After seeing how CA has handled support heroes (Necrotect, Gun Wight) I kinda hope the Empire gets a cobbled together Master Engineer hero in their rework. Also is it weird that the Bloodlines rework has me super excited for the inevitable Greenskins and Empire touch up?
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Sasgrillo posted:After seeing how CA has handled support heroes (Necrotect, Gun Wight) I kinda hope the Empire gets a cobbled together Master Engineer hero in their rework. Not at all weird. The effort they're putting in makes me look forward to all the Game 1 factions getting a facelift too.
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Sasgrillo posted:After seeing how CA has handled support heroes (Necrotect, Gun Wight) I kinda hope the Empire gets a cobbled together Master Engineer hero in their rework. No. Why would it be? CA has learned a lot since the initial release of WH1 about what players enjoy and what works in the series. Remember, for WH1 they were a little afraid that their main playerbase would reject the game entirely (MAGIC!?! In my spearmanii game? NEVER!) and were comparatively vanilla. Empire was basically just a normal TW faction, Dwarves and Orcs had one or two odder mechanics tacked on that were pretty ignorable, and only the VC were anything really new. I think pretty much everyone wants to see how Empire 2.0 might work after two years of experience.
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It wasn't until bretonnians that the out-there idea of "lords get traits based on what they do, and the game tells you why" got implemented. Shout-out to my old pal Thorgrim, who Likes Greenskins.
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I do recall fondly the days when greenskins could roll up on the dwarves with a waaagh on turn 5
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Oh man, I forgot about that... For all of CA's faults and missteps with some other games, I think they deserve a ton of credit that they've managed to pretty much constantly improve this game over their entire span. It's not always been a consistent improvement, but there's no question that basically everything is at least a little better now than it was on TW:WH1's release - and in most cases, vastly better. I mean, in a game with literally hundreds of units they've managed to have, what, like 90% of them be more-or-less viable in competitive settings? That's nuts. Each faction (and most subfactions) feels genuinely different to play both on the tactical and strategic levels, they're all fun in their own ways, player feedback is considered even for relatively trivial things (see: Sartosa pirates) and they've introduced a lot of stuff just because it's fun (remember they added unique sync kill animations because their animators thought it'd be cool). The only outliers I think anyone would point to are the climate system and turn times; I'm generally inclined to think the new non-hard-restriction climate system is probably a better long-term solution as more factions have been added (and more intuitive for newer players too, no one likes areas they can't go conquer in a game about map painting) while turn times for the extra bonus map are a function of computing power and will eventually fix themselves from the hardware side. And, to be fair, diplomacy sucks but it's always sucked in their games, they haven't taken any steps backward there. This game is CA's magnum opus - not even considering future additions or WH3. What could they possibly release that would more closely approach the platonic ideal of a Total War game? They could stop development, today, and it's no question their best game ever. That wasn't true for WH1 on release; it's been the intervening three years of polish and iteration that's brought them this far, and I'm excited to see what another three years might accomplish.
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Chaos Daemons is the one time I'd expect and be OK with CA taking from newer AOS/40K books. Give me my Sloppity Bilepipers!
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orangelex44 posted:For all of CA's faults and missteps with some other games, I think they deserve a ton of credit that they've managed to pretty much constantly improve this game over their entire span. I think it's been making them a whole lot more money compared to previous games
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Mordja posted:Chaos Daemons is the one time I'd expect and be OK with CA taking from newer AOS/40K books. Give me my Sloppity Bilepipers!     Chaos dudes? That are likeable? In MY warhammer?
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Flavahbeast posted:I think it's been making them a whole lot more money compared to previous games From what I saw it also did wonders for their reputation as after the mess that was the release of Rome II people had started to turn on the series.
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Hunt11 posted:From what I saw it also did wonders for their reputation as after the mess that was the release of Rome II people had started to turn on the series. Again. After Empire ruined their reputation for the first time.
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Hunt11 posted:From what I saw it also did wonders for their reputation as after the mess that was the release of Rome II people had started to turn on the series. no, they salvaged their rep with excellent continued support for r2 which lead to an awesome, complete game. then they releases attila which was a total loving drag of a game.
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Papa Nurgle loves everyone. Don't let the Sigmarite propagandists mislead you.
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more lizard whenAmmanas posted:no, they salvaged their rep with excellent continued support for r2 which lead to an awesome, complete game. then they releases attila which was a total loving drag of a game. This is like, doubly false. Do the two falsehoods resolve eachother into a truth? This is for the reader to decide.
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Attila is better than Rome 2 on every level hth
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Savy Saracen salad posted:This right here proves that 99% of overhaul mods are basically glorified cheat/trainer mods. To be fair late game campaign is hardly balanced though, grommy is traveling around with a gold chev army with 3 hero units and would have likely dumpstered manfred--he's in fact hunting his army atm. Ungrim is running around with an army made entirely out of elite units which are capped in C&C because of how good they are. I really like how a lord on an undead dragon is a big loving deal and that the best cav in the game act like it. I think the biggest issue is advanced AI mod is making these fights so much harder than i'm used to facing which is awesome.
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AnEdgelord posted:Attila is better than Rome 2 on every level hth Except performance. It runs like dogshit whereas Rome 2 actually runs really well now, and it's the only reason I don't go back to Attila at all.
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John Charity Spring posted:Except performance. It runs like dogshit whereas Rome 2 actually runs really well now, and it's the only reason I don't go back to Attila at all. I'd say Attila has better performance than Warhammer 2. Which, uh, is not meant as an endorsement of the performance of Attila, I suppose.
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Looks like they're a bit behind today, but day 2 of the TwitchCon tournament is supposed to go live in 5-10 minutes: https://www.twitch.tv/totalwarofficial
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Beamed posted:more lizard when I can’t wait for saurimanii to be nerfed into the loving ground
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Beamed posted:I'd say Attila has better performance than Warhammer 2. Which, uh, is not meant as an endorsement of the performance of Attila, I suppose. If you exclusively mean mortal empires turn times then i guess Wild Horses posted:I can’t wait for saurimanii to be nerfed into the loving ground I actually think Sarumanii should be among the most OP wizards in the game. RIP Sir Christopher.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
If they do God-specific Chaos stuff in game 3 they should absolutely dip into AoS to make them feel more distinct. Nurgle got the stuff posted above plus a snail-riding murder-gardener, gnarly voracious trees and fatboys on fatflies.    Tzeentch got fireball slinging cultists, punchwizards and disk-riding Beastmen.    Even Slaanesh is due some new toys in a boxset they've been hinting for early next year. Would certainly be more interesting than "Daemons, with different coloured Warriors".
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Yeah I'd have zero objection to AoS stuff for Chaos in 3. But wonder if GW would be on board?
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SteelMentor posted:If they do God-specific Chaos stuff in game 3 they should absolutely dip into AoS to make them feel more distinct. Dandywalken posted:Yeah I'd have zero objection to AoS stuff for Chaos in 3. But wonder if GW would be on board? And here we see the corrupting influence of chaos at work.
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Raygereio posted:And here we see the corrupting influence of chaos at work. So you try to punch Chaos, but you turn into this:  Still wanting to deny the inevitable triumph? "I wanna be buff dead Gelt" said no one ever
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Finally live for the tourney, Turin's playing VSea vs. Empire game 1.
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No, they've just been hinting at new Slaanesh book/model releases. Lorewise, the new Elf army books also specify where Slaanesh has been this whole time, and the fallout from the big Nagash-centered event has made it more likely that Slaanesh's followers will find him.
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