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ArnieD posted:Yeah, maybe I should't have brought it to a forum and I'm bringing stuff from personal life. But I wasn't saying it as a fairness thing, I've just met enough people that are angry that AMLO won, criticize everything he does, even if the guy isn't even president yet, but for some reason are okay with the current government and never say anything bad about it. If that's the case they're being very hypocritical and their opinions/motives should be taken with a grain of salt. I hear you. And it's a lovely balancing act we have to achieve, holding the sane/progressive politicians to some (any) kind of standard without helping cast them down in order to put a frothing crook in their place.
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ArnieD posted:Yeah, maybe I should't have brought it to a forum and I'm bringing stuff from personal life. But I wasn't saying it as a fairness thing, I've just met enough people that are angry that AMLO won, criticize everything he does, even if the guy isn't even president yet, but for some reason are okay with the current government and never say anything bad about it. If that's the case they're being very hypocritical and their opinions/motives should be taken with a grain of salt. I get what you're saying, I do, but keep in mind this not entirely one-sided. Since most of my social media friends and family are pro-AMLO, I get to hear the exact opposite. I voted for the guy and I've been called a PRIAN/Televisa shill/sheeple just for mild criticism or disappointment because 'AMLO can do no wrong' (i've been told this, repeatedly, by multiple people). Also, most people agree that Peña Nieto puede chingar a su madre, so...
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So Bolso's going down in the polls a bit right? Is there any chance he may yet lose?
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Shibawanko posted:So Bolso's going down in the polls a bit right? Is there any chance he may yet lose? There might not be a chance, but there might be a hope.
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Shibawanko posted:So Bolso's going down in the polls a bit right? Is there any chance he may yet lose? This is full hellworld timeline so strap in for the worst possible result It's not gonna be Bolsonaro winning, it's gonna be something like Bolsonaro winning, invading Uruguay, and getting crowned emperor of the newly reborn Empire of Brazil
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Shibawanko posted:So Bolso's going down in the polls a bit right? Is there any chance he may yet lose? I did regained a bit of hope It's not over yet. Please all brazilians vote against Boçal tomorrow Just imagine all the crying and anger (for 5 minutes before the coup comes )
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i'm ready to do my part
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Will vote for Haddad tomorrow. Y'all pray really hard now.
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I'm going to get my great grandpas cangaceiro outfit, his rifle and start the second Prestes column on the desolate Piaui/Ceará/Pernambuco triple border
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Plutonis posted:I'm going to get my great grandpas cangaceiro outfit, his rifle and start the second Prestes column on the desolate Piaui/Ceará/Pernambuco triple border Just wanted to say thanks because this post made me go to Wikipedia to find out what the hell "cangaceiro" meant and now I know a whole bunch of history I didn't even know existed
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Pochoclo posted:Just wanted to say thanks because this post made me go to Wikipedia to find out what the hell "cangaceiro" meant and now I know a whole bunch of history I didn't even know existed The same thing happened to me in a Let's Play thread when someone name-dropped Ned Kelly and after some googling I was 'WTH this happened."
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What i'm wondering is how much of a mess will tonight's Roger Waters show be - the election law states that all forms of political propaganda ends at 10 pm,his show in Curitiba starts at 9:30 and his production already received a reminder from a judge that all political propaganda should stop at 10. The best scenario is he does all his political thing during the first song and they do nothing.The worst one is police interrupts the show and he leaves the stage straight to jail and creates an international mess
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Roger waters arrest trigger a series of dumb events that culminates with Brazil being annexed by the UK, brexit still goes through, Boris Johnson becomes prime minister.
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Shibawanko posted:So Bolso's going down in the polls a bit right? Is there any chance he may yet lose? my sister in law voted for Not Bolsonaro, so i think we'll be fine
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Magrov posted:Roger waters arrest trigger a series of dumb events that culminates with Brazil being annexed by the UK, brexit still goes through, Boris Johnson becomes prime minister. This is some very weird UKMT/Latam D&D thread crossover fanfic, you forgot Monster Munch becoming Brazil's crisp of choice though
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Roger Waters just put the "Ele Não" in the large screen behind the stage,stopped the music and said: "30 seconds left before 10 pm,obey the law now". Seems like crisis averted
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Bummer. I really wanted to see if they would have the balls to arrest him (they wouldn't).
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Negrostrike posted:Bummer. I really wanted to see if they would have the balls to arrest him (they wouldn't). I'm not so sure anymore. Brazilian petty authority normally shits itself and bows before any foreign celebrity, but given the recent "The UN, the Pope, The Economist and Roger Waters are all filthy commie globalists!" fever that has spread, I can certainly see some judge or prosecutor wanting to be the next Moro or Janaina Paschoal and earn the undying love of brazilchuds by getting a mugshot of an evil socialist celebrity.
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Notice that the usual liberals in the media carping about how venezuela is a dictatorship are remarkably silent about brazil electing a literal fascist
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Notice that the usual liberals in the media carping about how venezuela is a dictatorship are remarkably silent about brazil electing a literal fascist You're never a dictator as long as you stand for letting foreign companies skim their share and slashing worker's rights. It's why Saudi Arabia is ruled by respectable monarchs, not feudal dictators!
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Bem, fudeu.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Notice that the usual liberals in the media carping about how venezuela is a dictatorship are remarkably silent about brazil electing a literal fascist Both are bad. Also I don't pretend to be a representative media consumer but A) I bet you aren't either and B) I've seen PLENTY of "uh, Bolsonaro's actually pretty horrifying".
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Holy poo poo, even Doria won. Final proof that you can poo poo on Sao Paulo as often and hard as you like, leave them hanging as you chase other offices, and they will still love you and vote for you as long as you are an evil enough white plutocrat.
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O mundo está fodido, fodido
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Sephyr posted:Holy poo poo, even Doria won.
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El Chingon posted:IMO, he doesn't have the balls to take the political cost of going with one decision or another (I believe he already made his decision). So he will shield it saying the people have chosen. That's poor governing if you ask me. I'm not saying that corruption should not be investigated in case it exists with this project, but nobody will invest in large scale projects if there's risk they are going to be cancelled after 3 years. Latin Americans Can't have nice things indeed. Welp. The "people of Mexico" has voted to cancel the NAICM "picking" the most retarded solution possible to the growing issues in the Benito Juarez Airport. The peso is already falling behind the dollar and according to advisors of Mexico's Entrepreneur Coordinator Council (CCE in Spanish), making possible for the affected investors to take the Mexican Government to trial before international arbiters over breach of contract. Oh, but he will move forward with the loving Mayan Train that will irremediably gently caress up the ecosystem in the Yucatan Peninsula and destroy countless archeological sites. Thanks a loving lot AMLO. EDIT:  A query in which only a million people participated is being used to justify this idiocy. Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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I always found the concept of getting rid of the current airport in order to get NAICM going was kind of dumb (both aren't compatible to operate at the same time), when the second terminal is still new-ish. It would have modified the approach cone so that I didn't have airplanes going over my neighborhood 24/7, which would be a big plus for me but probably a big minus for some other chump. Either way, didn't vote because I was out of town and don't care a whole lot about it, both option have big downsides. I just hope that this doesn't go the route of the Querétaro train, and at the end of the day we get nothing at all.
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Freezer posted:I always found the concept of getting rid of the current airport in order to get NAICM going was kind of dumb (both aren't compatible to operate at the same time), when the second terminal is still new-ish. It would have modified the approach cone so that I didn't have airplanes going over my neighborhood 24/7, which would be a big plus for me but probably a big minus for some other chump. The second terminal doesn't really help a lot when you still have the same number of runways. The new airport was designed to have a maximum of 6 runways I think (don't quote me on that), which would have increased the number of take off/landing operations.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Notice that the usual liberals in the media carping about how venezuela is a dictatorship are remarkably silent about brazil electing a literal fascist Flayer fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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Flayer posted:Just how bad is Bolsonaro then? He seems to be universally panned as a fascist yet was elected with a pretty convincing majority in Brazil so I'm wondering if there's more to it. Here, read his own words for yourself: https://theintercept.com/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-elected-president-brazil/
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Flayer posted:Just how bad is Bolsonaro then? He seems to be universally panned as a fascist yet was elected with a pretty convincing majority in Brazil so I'm wandering if there's more to it. Absolutely loving awful; what was being pointed out is that the usual (neo)liberal circles are uninterested, because he's a hypercapitalist instead of a protectionist.
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He is a fascist. The fact that Brazilians voted for him tells you more about Brazilians than about Bolsonaro. Brazil was in an authoritarian military dictatorship before. What makes you think they won't go for another?
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Flayer posted:Just how bad is Bolsonaro then? He seems to be universally panned as a fascist yet was elected with a pretty convincing majority in Brazil so I'm wondering if there's more to it. You are under the very mistaken impression that open talk of violence and hate against enemies turns people off. It does not. It was out of style for a brief oasis of human history, the post WW2 accord, but as that consensus breaks, it's back in force. Despite even his rethoric, Bolsonaro is not going for a Day One coup. There's no need; all institutions that matter back him, or are cowed into subservience. At first the blow will be more the removal and destruction of support structures that benefit the Undesirables, paired with greatly increased legal persecution of political rivals. When the economy fails to improve (and it will, not just because there are at least a couple of international financial hiccups about to pop), Congress sours on his policies and starts waffling the votes, or demonstrations and protests get enoigh traction to 'force' him to respond with live ammunition? Then the mask will drop.
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joepinetree posted:Here, read his own words for yourself:
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Sephyr posted:You are under the very mistaken impression that open talk of violence and hate against enemies turns people off. It does not. It was out of style for a brief oasis of human history, the post WW2 accord, but as that consensus breaks, it's back in force. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition in Congress is minimal even if the situation goes really sour economically. The political infrastructure is already there to remove rivals at will, he can simply remake Congress into a more "desired form" from the get-go. Yeah, I don't think it is beyond Bolsonaro, the military or the police to openly used violence against the "suspect" portions of the population, if anything he practically campaigned on it.
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Ardennes posted:If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition in Congress is minimal even if the situation goes really sour economically. The political infrastructure is already there to remove rivals at will, he can simply remake Congress into a more "desired form" from the get-go. Yeah, I don't think it is beyond Bolsonaro, the military or the police to openly used violence against the "suspect" portions of the population, if anything he practically campaigned on it. Oh indeed, but it will follow the current framework of the Temer government for a bit; cracks down on investigating the hell out of your enemies while letting your pals go free. But despite how feckless and venal brazilian Congress is, don't underestimate how shiftless and unreliable they also are. If their base is suffering enough to vote for others and they have no money spigot jammed in their craws, they will go from nazi to commie to christian to muslim in an eyeblink. Hell, it's how both FHC and Lula built their bases, and then lost them. It would not be overt opposition, of course, but just a bit of waffling and talking back when the times go grom and the crazy measures cascade will be enough to rile these jokers.
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Sephyr posted:Oh indeed, but it will follow the current framework of the Temer government for a bit; cracks down on investigating the hell out of your enemies while letting your pals go free. Granted, I do think Bolsonaro does want to keep up the appearance of normalcy since it gives him greater leeway. That said, I think it is going to have to get pretty bad for Congress to turn on him after he purges it (which is my bet). Moreover, at the end of the day, the military is going to back him and the US is willing to tolerate plenty from a country that is willing to buy tons of arms. That said, some gripping from Congress would probably be accepted unless they actually impede him. It is going to be something to watch for sure. I think of missed my chance to visit a democratic Brazil.
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