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Yeah, Whisper is amazing, and so is Redline. The reason you're not seeing Duchess already is basically that Redline exists as it currently does. Whisper, Soontir, Duchess is very strong when you give all three Juke. You should be glad you can't cram a fourth ship into that, it'd be crazy strong if you could. But since Redline is what it is, Redline, Whisper, something else is just amazing. And actually, if you're comparing just Juke Whisper against that Duchess (56 v 58), Whisper isn't "just better". It would be super close, because Duchess gets the aileron move and can turn her arc faster. I'm not sure the extra HP on Whisper helps enough. Either way, it would be a very even fight. Also, "action locked" isn't a thing. If you need to do something besides evade, that's fine. Juke's strong enough that using it when you can is fine. The other reason Fifth Brother is strong on Duchess is so you can barrel roll without sacrificing offense/defense as much, since you effectively get an advanced sensors boost every turn if you want it. Once you've gotten into a good spot, you start Juking things, which when combined with other Jukes and Vader crew, is stellar.
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The Gate posted:Yeah, Whisper is amazing, and so is Redline. The reason you're not seeing Duchess already is basically that Redline exists as it currently does. Whisper, Soontir, Duchess is very strong when you give all three Juke. You should be glad you can't cram a fourth ship into that, it'd be crazy strong if you could. But since Redline is what it is, Redline, Whisper, something else is just amazing. And actually, if you're comparing just Juke Whisper against that Duchess (56 v 58), Whisper isn't "just better". It would be super close, because Duchess gets the aileron move and can turn her arc faster. I'm not sure the extra HP on Whisper helps enough. Either way, it would be a very even fight. You can; Howlrunner fits, though you have to drop stuff off Whisper and Duchess. Whisper with Juke and CD< Howl, Soontir and Duchess with Pred is a nice list, but suffers heavily for Standard Ace Variance.
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Oct 28, 2018 19:27
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thespaceinvader posted:You can; Howlrunner fits, though you have to drop stuff off Whisper and Duchess. Howlrunner is not good if you're not running things close together, and three aces aren't going to want to be bunched up where other lists can easily point all their guns at them at once. No point weakening them just get a reroll. Vader and Fifth Brother will account for more damage than Howl would probably add anyway, to be honest.
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Oct 28, 2018 20:42
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Howlrunner is good on her own, now that her ability works on herself. 40 points for I5 with double mods is great. You can even stick Juke on her and still get mods, if you want, though i'm not sure it's better than just focusing.
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Oct 28, 2018 20:54
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thespaceinvader posted:Howlrunner is good on her own, now that her ability works on herself. 40 points for I5 with double mods is great. Hard pass for me. Way too fragile for something without boost or linked actions.
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thespaceinvader posted:You can even stick Juke on her and still get mods, if you want, though i'm not sure it's better than just focusing. So, I decided to check the math on this: it's worse if the target has a focus token and 2 or 3 defense dice. With 2 dice and a focus token and the Howl reroll, she does about .65 damage against 2 green dice and a focus, or about .3 against 3 green and a focus. With Juke and an evade instead of a focus, Howl does about .3 and .2. If the target doesn't have the focus to defend with, Juke pulls ahead, by about .2 - .3 damage. So, with just Howl by herself, it wouldn't be worth it really. But, in theory a swarm of Juke fighters with Howlrunner might actually be solid. I think in practice though it's not really worth the extra points for 2 dice attacks. Also, for people who don't know about this little damage calculator, here's a link: http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/ Super handy for checking random things like this and trying to decide if trying something is worthwhile.
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Oct 29, 2018 12:26
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I know with my Whisper/Soontir list I try to have Vader strip a token then hit them with the double juke.
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Oct 29, 2018 13:03
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Raged posted:I know with my Whisper/Soontir list I try to have Vader strip a token then hit them with the double juke. Yup, Vader on Whisper it's crazy strong because he gets that damage in one way or the other.
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Finally back from X-Wing Nordics. Had enough beer to last me a.. idk, few days? Anyways. Took this list with me, expecting to go 3-3 in swiss: 14 Tubes (196) “Redline” (44) Advanced Sensors (8) Proton Torpedoes (9) “Deathrain” (42) Trajectory Simulator (3) Barrage Rockets (6) Seismic Charges (3) Captain Jonus (36) Barrage Rockets (6) Major Rhymer (34) Cluster Missiles (5) Total: 196 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0 Ended up going 6-0 instead. Some REALLY close games in swiss and top 16. Major props to top8 opponent, who had found a way to actually use Moff Jerjerrod to a great effect - Boosting Lambda is not something you see every day. Lost semifinals to the eventual tournament winner, Andreas Karlsson and his crazy impressive rebel list. Good times were had. ps. Loot. 
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Friction posted:Finally back from X-Wing Nordics. Had enough beer to last me a.. idk, few days? Anyways. Took this list with me, expecting to go 3-3 in swiss: Congrats dude, sounds like a hell of an event. Managing to get into the cut in anything that size is badass, especially undefeated.
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ConfusedUs posted:What was that "impressive" winning Rebels list? This "four ship" rebel list, clocking at 197 points. Wedge Antilles (52) Crack Shot (1) Servomotor S-foils (0) Norra Wexley (43) Proton Torpedoes (9) Jan Ors (42) Moldy Crow (12) Sabine Wren (38) Total: 197 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0 You can see it in action in the finals here. https://youtu.be/0eMSo45xDAg?t=6172 - Also in the semis where I get steamrolled, but it not nearly as interesting match as this one 
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Oct 29, 2018 21:09
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2e squad building is amazing. That rebel list has 10 points of upgrades besides the 12pt title. 
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canyoneer posted:2e squad building is amazing. That rebel list has 10 points of upgrades besides the 12pt title. I’m loving the soft rule of max 2 upgrades. Ships stay cheap, there are more of them, and weird interactions of pilot talent/EPT get minimized.
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Oct 29, 2018 23:11
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The scum Falcon title: it lets you use the shields of the escape craft, but is there a timing rule for it? Or can I decide to take the first hits from an attack on the hull of the Falcon, and spend a shield when the crit hits?
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uncle blog posted:The scum Falcon title: it lets you use the shields of the escape craft, but is there a timing rule for it? Or can I decide to take the first hits from an attack on the hull of the Falcon, and spend a shield when the crit hits? There's not a clear (or even an unclear) rule about it, actually. It's completely up in the air. In the absence of anything that says otherwise, the general consensus is that you can choose for every individual damage that comes through. So yeah, put hits to your hull and let the craft take the crits to its shields.
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If you want a RAW hot take then it only let's you spend shield tokens on it so you better hope you've got an internal damper on board. That's a taste of how bad the words on the title are.
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Luke, you're going to find that many of the rules we cling to in X-Wing: The Miniatures Game Second Edition depend greatly on our own point of view.
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Oct 30, 2018 21:05
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 quadjumpers for $7.50 in FFG holiday sale right now https://holiday-sale.asmodeena.com/catalogue/star-wars-x-wing-quadjumper-expansion-pack_364/
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Oct 30, 2018 21:07
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So I hear there are some quick build cards for Kirhazxes. This true or are people full of crap?
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Oct 30, 2018 21:11
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bunnyofdoom posted:So I hear there are some quick build cards for Kirhazxes. This true or are people full of crap? There are quick builds for every ship and all (or close to all) pilots on FFG's website. Same page you get the rules reference.
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Oct 30, 2018 21:17
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ConfusedUs posted:There are quick builds for every ship and all (or close to all) pilots on FFG's website. Same page you get the rules reference. Yay! Thank you!
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Aramoro posted:If you want a RAW hot take then it only let's you spend shield tokens on it so you better hope you've got an internal damper on board. That's a taste of how bad the words on the title are. It took me like ten minutes to figure out what you're saying, and lol, yeah. Apparently when you take damage, you "lose" shields. You don't spend them. You spend shields for effects like Inertial Dampeners. "Spend" is the same as "lose" when it comes to shields, per the rules, but there's no text that says lose is the same as spend.
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ConfusedUs posted:It took me like ten minutes to figure out what you're saying, and lol, yeah. Indeed, it's a majestic gently caress up of the rules really. Like they could have written it in a load of different ways to work, they choose about the only way in which it doesn't. Unless of course that's what they intended.
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Aramoro posted:Indeed, it's a majestic gently caress up of the rules really. Like they could have written it in a load of different ways to work, they choose about the only way in which it doesn't. It's almost certainly an oversight, and it's an easy one to fix.
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I have an odd request, I need the stupidest list possible. Let me explain. This week I'm driving down to L.A. for the Minock Open in Burbank. There's 150 people registered so far and they're throwing it in a yet undisclosed movie studio. The tournament is Saturday and Sunday and I'm meeting some people from my local gaming group down there. I'll be in town from Thursday to Monday and want to get knocked out in the first round of elimination because I'd like to free up time to do other things over the weekend but I do want to have one day to hang with my local squadron. Besides I'm rusty as poo poo and have been getting my rear end handed to me in my local league so I have no illusions of winning. Instead I want to run something that is just weird/wacky/fun/gimmicky or just hilariously handicapping and bad. Any Ideas? I could do just about anything with Scum or Rebel. I was thinking of something built around Moralo Eval and jumping around the board which would at least be fun but I'm up for anything.
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I got you bro Lemme get home to a real computer and I’ll start laying down the gimmicks.
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Here's some dumb I was thinking of trying out: Shara Bey (53) Saw Gerrera (8) Roark Garnet (38) Moldy Crow (12) Jake Farrell (40) Garven Dreis (47) Servomotor S-foils (0) Total: 198 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0
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Please tell me you have (or can get) six A-Wings or six M-3A "Syck" Interceptors. https://raithos.github.io/?f=Scum%2...20Squadron&obs= https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v5!s!53:100:;53:100:;53:100:;53:100:;53:100:;53:100:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron&obs= No? You can't do that? What about MEGADASH? (With bonus Z95 because you have to run at least 2 ships in a second edition tournament list) https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v5!s!39:124,100,87,41,165,157,92:;57:-1,-1:&sn=New%20Squadron&obs= You know that old saying about how you miss all the shots you never take? You might never have to take one with this list. https://raithos.github.io/?f=Scum%2...20Squadron&obs=
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I hope we get matched at Mynock because I really want to fly against one of those lists.
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Funzo posted:Here's some dumb I was thinking of trying out: This one I genuinely like and want to try at league. ConfusedUs posted:Please tell me you have (or can get) six A-Wings or six M-3A "Syck" Interceptors. I can swing the A-Wing one. That's a definite possibility. ConfusedUs posted:No? You can't do that? What about MEGADASH? (With bonus Z95 because you have to run at least 2 ships in a second edition tournament list) The first one looks fun but I really like the idea of the second one and just running like a coward dropping bombs.
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James Woods posted:The first one looks fun but I really like the idea of the second one and just running like a coward dropping bombs. Sometimes you can throw them on a bomb with the quad, or ion them into a bomb with nym.
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Six cheap Y-Wings also fits and might even be more hilarious.
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Well I'm packing my bags and this list looked like the most fun. I will post the results of my misadventure as it happens. ConfusedUs posted:You know that old saying about how you miss all the shots you never take? You might never have to take one with this list. I'll be the hungover rocker guy in the faded CBGB t-shirt. Apprise me of your stair situation and I'll fly my boats off the board and buy you a shot. James Woods fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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James Woods posted:Well I'm packing my bags and this list looked like the most fun. I will post the results of my misadventure as it happens. I hope you lose quickly and hilariously!
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I'm debating how effective this would wind up being: Blue Squadron Escort (41) Proton Torpedoes (9) Blue Squadron Escort (41) Proton Torpedoes (9) Blue Squadron Escort (41) Proton Torpedoes (9) Blue Squadron Escort (41) Proton Torpedoes (9) Total: 200 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0
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Not very. Low ps ordnance is hard unless it's focus based or you have some means of skipping the TL requirement or getting long range locks.
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I've seen it played some, but yeah, it's tough. You have to be very good at the approach to not get rushed down to range 1, get the locks to shoot with, and make sure you have multiple ships in range on one target. It's good against other swarmy lists, but it's definitely an uphill fight against aces.
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These are good points, and well taken. I had good luck with double defenders the other night; rexler and ryad, both with adv sensors, Rexler with Juke and Ryad with Outmaneuver, but the adv sensors were mainly being used to dodge obstacles, and their wording was hurtful to the defenders, so I think I'm going to try them with collision detectors instead. Rexler Brath (84) Juke (4) Collision Detector (5) Countess Ryad (86) Outmaneuver (6) Collision Detector (5) Cluster Missiles (5) Total: 195 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0 And cluster missiles for swarms, I guess.
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TheCenturion posted:These are good points, and well taken. I personally prefer AS, but collision is probably worth checking out. Cheating twice per game is pretty good for 5 points it turns out. But AS also prevents getting blocked by ships as easily, which is good. Both are strong options.
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