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SplitSoul posted:As much as I like to slam the blatant idiots among them, that is a very dangerous assumption.
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Poil posted:Bildt, Ulf och Åkeson  In the unlikely event that someone didn't get the reference because for whatever reason they weren't around for the glory days of Galenskaparna & After Shave, here's a devastatingly accurate critique of neoliberalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4AmeZr4QRU quote:Precis som jag skyddar snoppen med kondomer
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah. They might lack the scientific framework of the immortal science, but an emotional one is way more dangerous anyway. SD have been lobbied/bought by big business and will serve them over their average voter given a chance.
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TheFluff posted:
This is amazing. Thank you. I've lived here for 3 years but don't have the frame of reference. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 23, 2018 |
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Dirk Pitt posted:This is amazing. Thank you. It's from the early 1990's, a turbulent time. The early 90's had immigrant waves from the former Yugoslavia and Iraq (thanks, Bush the elder), rampant racism, a financial crisis and a real estate crash, the Great Nordic Biker War, Lasermannen and right-wing populism. A right-wing coalition led by the moderates won the 1991 election (this was before Alliansen was a thing) and the "Bildt, Björck and Dinkelspiel" trio are (m) politicians Carl Bildt, Anders Björck and Ulf Dinkelspiel. The latter two are rather thoroughly forgotten today, but Bildt is probably familiar. He's basically the Henry Kissinger of Swedish politics and occasionally rears his ugly head in mainstream media, since he's regarded as an authority on foreign policy by some. While Bildt's cabinet was in power they had to handle the aforementioned financial markets crisis (mainly caused by deregulation), and while doing so bail out Nordbanken* by essentially having the state acquire the whole drat thing, and also relatedly they had to unpeg the SEK from its fixed exchange rate vs the USD. They also took the opportunity to sell off a bunch of state-owned companies (of course) and got rid of löntagarfonderna for good. The end result of all this was that the Social Democrats won the 1994 election (the terms were three years long back then) and remained in power for twelve years until Reinfeldt's alliance finally defeated Göran Persson in the 2006 election. * Nordbanken later became Nordea, a bank famed for its money laundering, and whose chairman is one of the country's most persistent tax complainers, to the point where he recently decided to move the headquarters to Helsinki purely out of his hate for Swedish taxes. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 23, 2018 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7yxpP02bI Never forget 17 year old Carl Bildt who during a teacher strike took on the role as self appointed principal and continued holding class. Even before he learned to work he became a scab. Katt fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 08:01
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And, you know, he was complicit in an actual genocide in Sudan. So yeah, comparisons with Kissinger is pretty apt.
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Tyresö did a thing and now S, L and MP will rule the municipality. The tears from M and KD are so delicious. https://tyresomoderaterna.se/visa/nyheter/uttalande-med-anledning-av-dagens-besked   THIS IS KILLING
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Rutkowski posted:And, you know, he was complicit in an actual genocide in Sudan. So yeah, comparisons with Kissinger is pretty apt. Imagine being a neolib chud trying to reconcile Carl Bildts financial stakes in Vostok Nafta and Russia as Public Enemy #1. Cool mental gymnastics at play.
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Pyromaniac Ida posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7yxpP02bI How did the other students not just tell him to gently caress off?
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Gustav Fridolin will not seek re-election to the party spokesperson post at the Greens' party congress in May. Not all that surprising considering how far the party has fallen. Meanwhile, the liberals and the centre do not want to participate in proposing an Alliance budget, at least not for now. So... what now? Are they going to support S, or what? Because if not, I don't really see any way out of this mess other than a re-election. If SD and KD votes for a M budget, aren't we in the exact situation that led to DÖ again, except this time Löfven's cabinet is provisional? TheFluff fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Not surprising at all since his term-limit was coming up and he already announced this like 4 months ago.TheFluff posted:Meanwhile, the liberals and the centre do not want to participate in proposing an Alliance budget, at least not for now. So... what now? Are they going to support S, or what? Because if not, I don't really see any way out of this mess other than a re-election. If SD and KD votes for a M budget, aren't we in the exact situation that led to DÖ again, except this time Löfven's cabinet is provisional? No, because by the virtue of Talmansrundor there can be no re-election until the process is done.
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Boatswain posted:SD have been lobbied/bought by big business and will serve them over their average voter given a chance.
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Andrast posted:How did the other students not just tell him to gently caress off? This was like 60 years ago. They were probably afraid of getting a beating by their parents. Bildt probably wrote down the names of kids who skipped school. Katt fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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TheFluff posted:
I've somehow missed being exposed to this cultural milestone, despite being a fan of G&AS, and god drat, if it hasn't aged like a fine wine.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That doesn't really contradict anything me or SS said. I was responding in general to the idea that SD doesn't have a political agenda beyond bashing immigrants. As for your post I've got no idea what you are trying to say.
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Andrast posted:How did the other students not just tell him to gently caress off? That's not the scandinavian way.
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So, this came up in a friend's Facebook feed. It's a screed about how Sweden isn't really socialist, so therefore trying to emulate is apparently bad. It's one of those fun 5 minute videos full of truths, half-truths, and lies of omission that would take 2 hours to respond to. But I'm putting it here for your takes anyway. https://www.facebook.com/JohnStossel/videos/338096513616576/UzpfSTEwMDAwODg3NDQzNDM2MToxOTQ3MjY5NDgyMjQ1NTE0/
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Well Sweden isn't really socialist. Social democracy is not just the namesake of a dying party, it's a very specific blend of governance. Namely socialist, unionist and market capitalism. EDIT: The video is wrong by the way, it attributes global economical trends to national policy. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Oct 26, 2018 19:49
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Basically if you set the standard of "socialist" as the workers literally control all the factories then no Sweden as not socialist. And neither is any country that has ever existed. As such the definition is redundant. If you instead use the commonly and very widely understood meaning of "socialist" as a spectrum of varying degrees of public welfare with a wide and deep social safety net and government regulations then yes Sweden is pretty socialist. Mostly the whole "The Scandinavian countries are not socialist" tend to be spouted by libertarians who want to paint them as homogeneous Randian states where the free market made everything work. Despite the fact that the governments control everything from power to alcohol, fuel, gambling, rents etc.
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Social democracy is basically an actually rational market economy. One where the things not suited for competition are run by the state.
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Cold War Sweden also had some quite strong corporatist traits, and some of these live on in various curious institutions today - the unions themselves are of course one example, but there are weirder cases, such as Hyresgästföreningen which is effectively a union that landlords are legally required to negotiate with, regardless of whether the tenants are members or not. Then there's copyright organizations like Stim and BUS which basically have tax collection privileges, as well as various oddballs like Svenska Jägareförbundet, which play a key part in issuing hunting permits.
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The weird structure of swedish law (hello AvtL 36 §) is very unique. Corporatism is written into law itself, many part of it literally would not function in their current state without strong corporatism.
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Oct 26, 2018 20:21
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MiddleOne posted:Social democracy is basically an actually rational market economy. One where the things not suited for competition are run by the state.
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MiddleOne posted:The weird structure of swedish law (hello AvtL 36 §) is very unique. Corporatism is written into law itself, many part of it literally would not function in their current state without strong corporatism. Yes, exactly. Corporatism in copyright licensing is fairly common worldwide, as are institutions like bar associations, but here's it's very pervasive and extends from news media ethics to electrical safety.
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TheFluff posted:Hyresgästföreningen which is effectively a union that landlords are legally required to negotiate with, regardless of whether the tenants are members or not. That companies are bound by collective bargaining as a whole is actually the superior model. As opposed to the American system where union workers get union benefits but the company can get around it by hiring non-union workers. Katt fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Anglo-saxons ruin everything around me.
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MiddleOne posted:Social democracy is basically an actually rational market economy. One where the things not suited for competition are run by the state. Does not compute.
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Not in the theoretical sense, but in the way everyone outside of politics perceives the term rational.
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Thank you for all the good replies. After doing a little more reading, it's also interesting to note that the author of Pippi Longstocking remained a social democrat, even after writing an essay decrying her paying 102% in income taxes. (this is false, it only sort of works out that way due to how Sweden calculates the employer's contributions to the employee's tax obligations.)
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SimonCat posted:Thank you for all the good replies. After doing a little more reading, it's also interesting to note that the author of Pippi Longstocking remained a social democrat, even after writing an essay decrying her paying 102% in income taxes. (this is false, it only sort of works out that way due to how Sweden calculates the employer's contributions to the employee's tax obligations.) e: sorry about the pedantry, btw. it was unquestionably an unreasonably high tax rate for that year, at any rate. it was caused by a combination of several bizarre technicalities in the tax code that are probably completely uninteresting today, but it wasn't intentional to make the marginal tax rate that high. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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TheFluff posted:The marginal tax rate is not the same thing as the total tax rate, regardless of how much various tax complainers try to be obtuse about it. Good old revanschminister Tvätt-Olof Björn.
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Katt posted:Basically if you set the standard of "socialist" as the workers literally control all the factories then no Sweden as not socialist. And neither is any country that has ever existed. As such the definition is redundant. *Some restrictions may apply
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Potrzebie posted:Good old revanschminister Tvätt-Olof Björn. lol
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So Steffe couldn't get it done either and now M is back in the driver's seat if my Swedish is good enough?
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https://twitter.com/stilettkniv/status/1056907036645040128
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Poil posted:What's wrong with importing a French person, again? Have you seen the motherfucker who's currently ruling France? Do you really want one of his sycophants?
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