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Nuns with Guns posted:This is tangential but I'm still angry that pretty much no RPGs use hyperlinks in their official PDFs whenever it'd make sense to link back to relevant rules. One good thing I'll say about Invisible Sun: The PDFs are properly hyperlinked.
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Nuns with Guns posted:This is tangential but I'm still angry that pretty much no RPGs use hyperlinks in their official PDFs whenever it'd make sense to link back to relevant rules. It was painful during the Exalted 3rd Edition production when they were talking about changing page number references manually. That's a problem that has been solved since 1983, in digital formats (LaTeX).
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Ratoslov posted:One good thing I'll say about Invisible Sun: The PDFs are properly hyperlinked. Considering "Walking up to your DM on the street, pulling out your phone, and resolving an action" is a 'feature' of the game it would be pretty terrible if they weren't hyperlinked.
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Oct 29, 2018 04:41
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Artistic value? Dragon's dead, statue's tripled in value after that. Rich people love dead artists. Sell it to some rich gently caress 'as-is, where-is' and he can arrange delivery. I mean, come on, that's what rogues are -for-.
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Oct 29, 2018 04:47
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Ratoslov posted:One good thing I'll say about Invisible Sun: The PDFs are properly hyperlinked. That makes a lot of sense, honestly. It's a lot more practical than the sidebar citations method that the Numenera/The Strange books use, which ultimately leads to a lot of wasted page space when they don't put citations in at every convenient point. Or worse, when they only cite the first page a rule/concept is mentioned and it's often not the point in the book that has the necessary clarifying information you want.
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nacon posted:It was painful during the Exalted 3rd Edition production when they were talking about changing page number references manually. That's a problem that has been solved since 1983, in digital formats (LaTeX). And wasnt it a feature that was in the specific program that they were using, and I remember hearing that someone posted a step by step guide on how to do it for them?
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Communist Zombie posted:And wasnt it a feature that was in the specific program that they were using, and I remember hearing that someone posted a step by step guide on how to do it for them? InDesign has been capable of living references for about a decade, but OPP is still having writers create documents with the same extremely simple markup WWish books have been using for literal decades. Considering the turnover, I wouldn't relish trying to wrangle more complex markup for dozens and dozens of writers turning in hundreds of documents all probably formatted just a little bit wrong.
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That Old Tree posted:InDesign has been capable of living references for about a decade, but OPP is still having writers create documents with the same extremely simple markup WWish books have been using for literal decades. Considering the turnover, I wouldn't relish trying to wrangle more complex markup for dozens and dozens of writers turning in hundreds of documents all probably formatted just a little bit wrong. I could have sworn that some OPP folks had busted this myth, and that they did use living references and proper markup.
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Ratoslov posted:One good thing I'll say about Invisible Sun: The PDFs are properly hyperlinked. Wait, I thought Invisible Sun wasn't coming out in pdf? Or is that a backers only thing?
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That Old Tree posted:InDesign has been capable of living references for about a decade, but OPP is still having writers create documents with the same extremely simple markup WWish books have been using for literal decades. Considering the turnover, I wouldn't relish trying to wrangle more complex markup for dozens and dozens of writers turning in hundreds of documents all probably formatted just a little bit wrong. InDesign was capable of embedded page references at least as early as when I learned it in college, and I graduated in 2000, so 19+ years now. You can also do this in Microsoft Word. In some of those really old applications you had to actually click on something and tell it to update page references rather than it doing it totally automatically, but that's still fairly automated. You don't have to use an authoring environment that exposes markup to the writer, really. I can't think of a word processor or authoring environment that doesn't offer some method of automated internal cross-references (and indexing, for that matter). It really just comes down to people not knowing how to use the feature and not bothering to find out.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Wait, I thought Invisible Sun wasn't coming out in pdf? Or is that a backers only thing? Its a backer only thing for one of the books. You super can't play it with just that book, which is pretty weird, considering every other page has a sidebar pointing you to another book to explain what everything means since it's got more made up words per page than a bottom tier Tolkien knockoff.
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Liquid Cannibalism posted:Sell it to some rich gently caress 'as-is, where-is' and he can arrange delivery. I mean, come on, that's what rogues are -for-. Given Hackmaster's tone and setting, that rich bastard would turn the whole dungeon into a shrine / amusement park / resort that returns triple whatever he paid on a monthly basis.
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I played FantasyCraft once in a toxx game where everyone committed to finish and whoever quit first ate a ban. The GM was the one who did it after resolving a single turn from my PC required both of us to be online a full hour and a half to process my combat tricks and equipment effects, which I had to resolve in order because whether I used a given trick and succeeded affected how the rest of the turn played out. I'm sure it's a fine system IRL, but in PbP/IRC it's completely nonfunctional.
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https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administrationquote:Policy outline: Wow, bold move by the rpg.net admins.
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clockworkjoe posted:https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration This owns
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clockworkjoe posted:https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration 7. GRITTY RULES
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There's a lot of discussion in that thread that's mostly MAGA hat wearers trying to figure out exactly how far they can go without getting hammered down. Like it's okay to openly support his policies so long as they don't touch on the itemized list of things that RPG.net opposes.
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I don't love RPG.net, but I'm glad to see they're taking the step everyone needs to.
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Kurieg posted:There's a lot of discussion in that thread that's mostly MAGA hat wearers trying to figure out exactly how far they can go without getting hammered down. Like it's okay to openly support his policies so long as they don't touch on the itemized list of things that RPG.net opposes. It's like the mentality of a bratty ten-year-old, after being told, "Stop hitting your sister." "Well can I do this?" *pinches sister* "No, obviously." "Well can I do this?" *frantically waves hand one millimeter from sister's face* "Don't make me come back there." Trustworthy fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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I'm not really sure how you can square "we want to be an open and accepting social community where normally marginalized people can feel comfortable" with "and we allow people to openly praise and support the Trump administration" so this seems like a pretty inevitable endpoint.
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Gotta say, I never thought rpgnet would be the place to take a strong stand against white supremacy, but I'm glad the mod team chose to do this. Much respect to them for this decision!
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Trustworthy posted:It's like the mentality of a bratty ten-year-old, after being told, "Stop hitting your sister."
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clockworkjoe posted:https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration I for one welcome admin gritty
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Evil Mastermind posted:That's pretty much every global "stop being assholes" policy RPGNet has ever enacted. People coming out of the woodwork to ask where the lines are because they just can't not talk about whatever. It's because assholes and weirdos don't like knowing that there's be consequences for posting that way and want to rules lawyer their way out of it. Something pretty similar just happened a couple months ago in QCS when someone asked if there could be a blanket "Don't be a goddamn creep" rule on SA.
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Kurieg posted:There's a lot of discussion in that thread that's mostly MAGA hat wearers trying to figure out exactly how far they can go without getting hammered down. Like it's okay to openly support his policies so long as they don't touch on the itemized list of things that RPG.net opposes. Example: "How are you different from those who German Jews used to fear, or those who Coptic and Chinese Christians now fear? How is this not hypocrisy? How does this ban build us as a community?" And then one of the mods responds, "We're against the ones putting kids in camps, so there's that."
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Dawgstar posted:Example: "How are you different from those who German Jews used to fear, or those who Coptic and Chinese Christians now fear? How is this not hypocrisy? How does this ban build us as a community?" Other example: "Congrats, you are now left wing fascists that cannot accept that people might have a view you do not like" Dude must really like being able to say he supports putting children in cages or something. An elf-pretend game forum telling him he can't say that there makes them fascists, somehow.
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"How are you, declaring rules of behavior for a private internet forum, any different than the people who rounded up specific ethic groups and murdered them en masse?"
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The sad thing is this isn't any different from any other time RPGnet's enacted any sort of policy change, there's always gotta be someone who thinks they're saying truth to power with the "but isn't this censorship???" card.
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The new policy is unexpected, but welcome, and probably unavoidable. Like I don't think anyone COULD make any kind of argument for the Trump Administration on RPG.net without inevitably breaking the rules already in place, so may as well nip it in the bud.
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quote:I never post anything political and have never felt the desire to do so, so this won’t affect me at all. "This won't affect me at all and I Totally Don't Care but let me tell you what I think about it anyway."
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Kai Tave posted:"This won't affect me at all and I Totally Don't Care but let me tell you what I think about it anyway." Pictured: The typical post of somebody in Trouble Tickets.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I wonder which forums all the dung beetles will roll off to this time. RPGsite, like they always do.
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Eh, I'm actually kinda stumped why they won't permaban on request over there. Seems like a weird loving thing when they literally permabanned two people for flouncing - and I said as much over there. And while I'm relishing the Trump-lover tears over there ... I'm thinking there are some dangerous waters starting to churn. No, not in a 'mah free speech!' kind of a way, but in an actually real legal way. Unfortunately, the GDPR actually is a loving nightmare universe for online forums, and you'd better believe chuds like whoever that annunaki dude is, assuming he is actually a citizen of the EU, are going to leverage it if it means hurting a site that's both anti-fascism and - by all appearances - non-compliant with that crazy law.
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dwarf74 posted:Eh, I'm actually kinda stumped why they won't permaban on request over there. Seems like a weird loving thing when they literally permabanned two people for flouncing - and I said as much over there. RPGnet perhaps naively assumes that someone who dislikes their forum isn't so mentally ill that they can't just voluntarily stop going there. Another part of it is that getting a ban from RPGnet is (or was) some weird form of counting coup for RPGsite posters and they probably feel like they have better things to do with their time than giving internet elfgame weirdos a merit badge. e; also the guy who keeps pestering about it doesn't just want his account banned, he wants every post he's every made scrubbed from the forums as well which is another kettle of fish. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Oct 30, 2018 |
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Kai Tave posted:RPGnet perhaps naively assumes that someone who dislikes their forum isn't so mentally ill that they can't just voluntarily stop going there. Another part of it is that getting a ban from RPGnet is (or was) some weird form of counting coup for RPGsite posters and they probably feel like they have better things to do with their time than giving internet elfgame weirdos a merit badge. I was always under the impression the forum software wasn't set up to nuke a user's profile and posts. If you like, RPGSite will yowl about how it's to 'artificially inflate their numbers.' You can set your watch by the single digit posters suddenly turning up to be Very Upset Indeed about this.
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Dawgstar posted:I was always under the impression the forum software wasn't set up to nuke a user's profile and posts. If you like, RPGSite will yowl about how it's to 'artificially inflate their numbers.' I'm sure the forum software can handle it, I know that you can at the very least manually delete things like spambots, but the question is even if it's physically possible to do so why should they have to completely nuke everything someone posted, leaving weird holes in conversations and possibly removing entire threads from existence, all because someone can't handle the onerous task of Not Visiting a Certain Website.
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clockworkjoe posted:https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration The only question at this point is how many more pages of whining is it going to generate before the thread gets locked. I'm saying... five.
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Kai Tave posted:I'm sure the forum software can handle it, I know that you can at the very least manually delete things like spambots, but the question is even if it's physically possible to do so why should they have to completely nuke everything someone posted, leaving weird holes in conversations and possibly removing entire threads from existence, all because someone can't handle the onerous task of Not Visiting a Certain Website. That chud is - near as I can tell - specifically wording his questions to try and provoke admissions of GDPR non-compliance and/or copyright violations. Which is why he's badgering and baiting instead of loving off.
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