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 ST, Pan-Asian cruiser Irian, tier VIII (formerly the Russian ship Ordzhonikidze sold to Indonesia in '62) Hit points – 41200. Plating - 25 mm. Main battery - 4x3 152 mm. Firing range - 17.5 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 2200. Chance to cause fire – 12%. Maximum AP shell damage - 3300. Reload time - 8.0 s. 180 degree turn time - 25.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 154 м. HE initial velocity - 950 m/s. AP initial velocity - 950 m/s. Sigma – 2.05. Torpedo tubes - 2x5 533 mm. Equips deep-water torpedoes that can't hit destroyers. Maximum damage - 17900. Range - 13.5 km. Speed - 68 kt. Reload time - 136 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 0.8 km. AA defense: 16x2 37.0 mm, range - 3.5 km, damage per second - 147. 6x2 100.0 mm, range - 5.0 km, damage per second - 117. Maximum speed - 32,7 kt. Turning circle radius - 760 m. Rudder shift time – 10.3 s. Surface detectability – 13.7 km. Air detectability – 9.3 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 7.0 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Hydroacoustic Search 3 slot - Torpedo Reload Booster All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers. The stats are subject to change during the testing. The visual model of the ship may change too. Please note that the information in the Development Blog is preliminary.
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Der Shovel posted:First time ever watching an official WoWS stream and holy crap, it's not amazing. The slaughter was fun to watch, but the game needs better casting tools and as mean as this might sound, better casters. The difference to something like Blizzard's HGC is night and day, and it's not like Wargaming can't afford it. The Euro casters are a bit better (Flambass, Flamu, and Izolate in particular, are knowledgable and able to keep up). What they really need is an actual tournament/caster mode - right now you set up a training room battle, and the casters are actually on a team, and they suicide into one another in tier 1 cruisers at the beginning of each match. It's loving stupid, and it'd be so easy to just add a training room mode with official spectators as an option.
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Oct 30, 2018 18:29
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James Garfield posted:
Adding to this a bit: UK DDs are so good because they are agile and don't lose speed when turning, and have a long-lasting low-range hydro. You almost have to be sleeping to get torped. Pan-asian DDs have very stealthy torps, which is what they gain for not being able to torp DDs - if a BB hasn't dodged your torps before they are in spotting range they are going to eat them.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:03
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Trillhouse posted:I haven’t played this game since shortly after the RN battleship line was introduced, and before the smoke change. I did end up being surprised by a De Grasse, a Giulio Cesare, and about 150k of free XP as a “please come back present” so that was nice. Anyways I have a few question: Others answered more, but Moskva is a sorta mixed bag for T10 cruisers. It doesn't have the pure outrageous rof/DPM that Des Moines, Minotaur, and Worcester have, and it doesn't have hindenberg's tankyness or Zao's stealth. It's really mostly like the French cruisers in playstyle where you just cruise fast angled at long range and light poo poo the gently caress up while swapping to AP to any broadsides. Moskva pen is so absurd that you'll have no problem getting citadels at 15km. I personally end up doing poorly in it for the most part because I always go hard for a cap at the start of a game, and with the terrible concealment and awful maneuverability I end up getting locked in to place too hard and having to slowly back out to avoid giving broadside and getting blown up. Yea you have a huge pile of HP but if you don't stay well angled you'll just get citadeled to hell and back. It's a ship that demands you stay back for the first portion of the game, but if you manage to do that and not have your team also fold quickly, you then become an unholy terror. If your team folds too fast before you can afford to go in, then it'll just be super annoying. The only place it's decisively better than the french CAs is the very long range radar and AA, so it's far better suited to actual teamplay vs the french.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:21
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toadee posted:The Euro casters are a bit better (Flambass, Flamu, and Izolate in particular, are knowledgable and able to keep up). Do you have any idea who the US casters on those 90th dunking videos were? I basically don't know anything about the WoWS scene.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:46
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Der Shovel posted:Do you have any idea who the US casters on those 90th dunking videos were? I basically don't know anything about the WoWS scene. No clue but they were real bad. Notser will occasionally do casting and he's definitely better than them at it. Otherwise not sure. I guess NoZoupForYou or iChase or Mejash could do some? Especially when it comes to competitive though NA really lags behind EU. Lots of people will carry this over into NA randoms are dumber than EU randoms but I don't really think that's the case, you get dumb shitters and unicums in both. Clan battles though, I haven't seen anything from an NA clan that approaches the level of coordination, training, and strategy that OM, OMNI, TWA, RAIN, or 10GO have. Gwaihir posted:Others answered more, but Moskva is a sorta mixed bag for T10 cruisers. It doesn't have the pure outrageous rof/DPM that Des Moines, Minotaur, and Worcester have, and it doesn't have hindenberg's tankyness or Zao's stealth. It's really mostly like the French cruisers in playstyle where you just cruise fast angled at long range and light poo poo the gently caress up while swapping to AP to any broadsides. Moskva pen is so absurd that you'll have no problem getting citadels at 15km. I personally end up doing poorly in it for the most part because I always go hard for a cap at the start of a game, and with the terrible concealment and awful maneuverability I end up getting locked in to place too hard and having to slowly back out to avoid giving broadside and getting blown up. Yea you have a huge pile of HP but if you don't stay well angled you'll just get citadeled to hell and back. It's a ship that demands you stay back for the first portion of the game, but if you manage to do that and not have your team also fold quickly, you then become an unholy terror. If your team folds too fast before you can afford to go in, then it'll just be super annoying. I don't have one so I can't really say but, I was under the impression that Moskva was mainly a bow-tanking nose-in interdictor sort of ship? Like park with an island at a broadside, and just nose in punish anything in front of you, while using your stronk 50mm bow to protect you? toadee fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 30, 2018 |
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Oct 30, 2018 20:51
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Just got kicked off of the EU server and can't get back in. This is especially annoying as I was about to get this week's last Guinea 
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Oct 30, 2018 21:24
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Der Shovel posted:First time ever watching an official WoWS stream and holy crap, it's not amazing. The slaughter was fun to watch, but the game needs better casting tools and as mean as this might sound, better casters. The difference to something like Blizzard's HGC is night and day, and it's not like Wargaming can't afford it. I mean I guess, but treating video games like a sport has always bored the hell out of me. For someone like me, I am n audience you will never capture no matter how much money you throw at it.
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Oct 31, 2018 00:38
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toadee posted:No clue but they were real bad. Notser will occasionally do casting and he's definitely better than them at it. Otherwise not sure. I guess NoZoupForYou or iChase or Mejash could do some? Especially when it comes to competitive though NA really lags behind EU. Lots of people will carry this over into NA randoms are dumber than EU randoms but I don't really think that's the case, you get dumb shitters and unicums in both. Clan battles though, I haven't seen anything from an NA clan that approaches the level of coordination, training, and strategy that OM, OMNI, TWA, RAIN, or 10GO have. More or less. Yes.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:20
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The bow is OK but the 50mm plate is only on the lower portion of it- The upper part is all 25mm, so it can't even bounce 380mm shells.
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Oct 31, 2018 02:51
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Gwaihir posted:The bow is OK but the 50mm plate is only on the lower portion of it- The upper part is all 25mm, so it can't even bounce 380mm shells. You mean the Moskva? The deck armor past the bow is also 50mm so she is extremely tanky angled at range.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:04
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Yeah at anything over 10k a bow-in Moskva is essentially immune to AP because bb dispersion is waaay too unreliable to hit the upper bow regularly on such a skinny ship and the reduced repair cooldown and superior rof mean that it will beat any bb (that isn’t a Conq lol) in an HE duel.
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Oct 31, 2018 06:17
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6 citadels in one salvo is a new non-Atlanta record for me
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Oct 31, 2018 07:30
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Is that Pan-Asian cruiser a torpedo specialized Kutuzov?
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Oct 31, 2018 09:26
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ZombieLenin posted:I mean I guess, but treating video games like a sport has always bored the hell out of me. For someone like me, I am n audience you will never capture no matter how much money you throw at it. Sure, but I don't think the expectation is ever to get 100% coverage. eSports are big, and a huge driving force for many games and their communities, so the audience should at least theoretically be there for WoWS as well. It's frankly a bit embarrassing that WoWS's tools are so completely lacking that the casting team have to jump in as level 1 boats and suicide so they can then spectate the match.
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Oct 31, 2018 09:29
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Aesis posted:Is that Pan-Asian cruiser a torpedo specialized Kutuzov? Yes it is. It's a smokeless, shorter range Kutuzov with Yueyang torps and TRB
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Oct 31, 2018 09:46
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Before you guys panic, that CA's torps are wing mounted on the rear. It can only fire one launcher at a time before needing to swing around to fire the other. That's still a 10 torp broadside with TRB, but not quite as scary as people are thinking. Still, I'm a little baffled as to why this ship is going for this gimmick. I'm pretty sure it'll get toned down before release. oh wait who am I kidding its not an IJN DD they'll buff the torpedo reload or something stupid
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Oct 31, 2018 10:39
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Well, they had to find a new high tier PA ship to sell, double points for managing to reuse the Sverdlov model after being forced to yank Kutuzov from sale
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Oct 31, 2018 10:48
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toadee posted:No clue but they were real bad. Notser will occasionally do casting and he's definitely better than them at it. Otherwise not sure. I guess NoZoupForYou or iChase or Mejash could do some? Especially when it comes to competitive though NA really lags behind EU. Lots of people will carry this over into NA randoms are dumber than EU randoms but I don't really think that's the case, you get dumb shitters and unicums in both. Clan battles though, I haven't seen anything from an NA clan that approaches the level of coordination, training, and strategy that OM, OMNI, TWA, RAIN, or 10GO have. Yeah i didn't recognize any of the NA casters at all. One sounded like he was going through puberty literally while casting. I'd like a Notser, Zoup, or Mejash tbh.
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Hazdoc posted:Before you guys panic, that CA's torps are wing mounted on the rear. It can only fire one launcher at a time before needing to swing around to fire the other. That's still a 10 torp broadside with TRB, but not quite as scary as people are thinking. I don't see why it would be toned down. As is, it's a Chapayev that has no radar. So, ok, it has YY torps it can fire from stealth, but, stealth for this is a lot longer than it is for a YY. The spread by the time they get there will be like 2 GK's wide. Kutuzov is strong because it has smoke to go along with those super long range guns. This PA version has I think slightly shorter range, no smoke, no radar, and good torps. I think it'll be pretty blah as is.
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Oct 31, 2018 14:10
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submarine gameplay loop while a little basic is extremely satisfying. i'd like them to figure out a way to incorporate them into the base game.
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Oct 31, 2018 15:21
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I'd love to see subs + DD depth charges a la Steel Ocean.
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Oct 31, 2018 15:22
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Der Shovel posted:Sure, but I don't think the expectation is ever to get 100% coverage. eSports are big, and a huge driving force for many games and their communities, so the audience should at least theoretically be there for WoWS as well. You are right; however, the problem for someone like me who at a minimum does not give a poo poo about eSports is that games like WoWs or WoTs that are invested in capturing this market end up doing things like balancing the game around eSports. Thus you end up with things like multiple versions of what is essentially the same map over and over again, which all have the same corridor control focus. For me this kills the poo poo out of emergent gameplay, and tactical flexibility in a game, which is something I think, with a full realization that this is subjective, makes for a better, more interesting, and more enjoyable game than one that is balanced around really formalized set piece competitive play. Honestly, this is why I played EVE for 6 years. The only reason I stopped playing it and moved to games like botes and tanks was that at some point, as a 41 one year old professional with a wife and kids, the time sink of a game like eve (especially in terms of scheduled ops and poo poo) became mostly unworkable.
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Oct 31, 2018 15:35
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toadee posted:I don't see why it would be toned down. As is, it's a Chapayev that has no radar. So, ok, it has YY torps it can fire from stealth, but, stealth for this is a lot longer than it is for a YY. The spread by the time they get there will be like 2 GK's wide. Correct, this is not a ship to get worried about. This is essentially a chapayev with gimmick torps, no smoke, no radar, shorter range, and better AA than the chappy but -no defensive fire- available, unlike the Kutuzov. It'll be an XP pińata in this form.
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ZombieLenin posted:You are right; however, the problem for someone like me who at a minimum does not give a poo poo about eSports is that games like WoWs or WoTs that are invested in capturing this market end up doing things like balancing the game around eSports. holy poo poo,  I enjoy the bits of variety that come with different MM on the same old maps, plus the potato teams that do stuff that can make for a loss but an interesting and fun match. Then I can log off after my 20 minute battle and go do the other things I need to do. Loky11 fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 16:12
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News just in, subs are fun
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NTRabbit posted:News just in, subs are fun Is bad that I am too lazy to try them?
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ZombieLenin posted:Is bad that I am too lazy to try them? Yes
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Okay, just checking.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:45
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The bigger problem is that pve is fundamentally too mindless and boring in this to ever do
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Yeah Im gonna carve out a day to play around with my nephew with the sub missions because I think he'll have a blast, but literally none of the operations ever look fun at all to me, the AI is just boring as hell.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:24
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toadee posted:the AI is just boring as hell. The challenge isn't the AI, per-se. The AI is fairly dumb dumb. It can at best dodge torpedoes if given a modest opening to do so. The challenge is keeping your pubs that are somehow even worse than the AI from dying like a bunch of idiots to said dumb AI.
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I started in Goonfleet in the beginning Syndicate days and stopped after we beat BoB. It was a great “storyline” of sorts and I don’t think it could ever be like that in Eve again for me.
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I love doing the operations. The challenge is definitely in people not knowing how they work inside and out (like I do (kill me)), but the AI while fairly basic isn't 100% predictable either. Every now and then it'll do something completely unexpected and just ratfuck you. The Halloween operations have probably the most predictable AIs (which, well, zombies, I can excuse that) but make up for it by throwing enormous boatloads of opposition at you; the normal operations have a lot more variety nowadays in how they can go down. Raptor Rescue is my favorite example. It started out as being exactly the same thing every time; a while ago they revamped it and now there's four possible Raptor exit points and like a dozen variations on where the opposition can appear and what ships they'll be, it's great. Narai is also a huge party because you have to do exactly what every pubbie dreads and drive straight into the teeth of the enemy fleet. Operations are cool and good, hot take. The older ones could do with a little touching up and we definitely need more of them, but I like them plenty.
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23GB to update this thing, that's how many 1080p HD movies? How can they manage to use up so much space with some pictures of ships? That aside, I log in after almost a day of the patcher running and it's put me in a green submarine thing. If the event operation is pve, is it best to try and do it during prime time or off peak? Did they split off the WoT clans? I used to be in the same one in both.
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Victor Surge posted:I started in Goonfleet in the beginning Syndicate days and stopped after we beat BoB. It was a great “storyline” of sorts and I don’t think it could ever be like that in Eve again for me. I had an alt in goonfleet for awhile, however I spent most of that 6 years in eve doing low sec small gang pvp/piracy. Probably the only game, paradoxically, I ever engaged in something approaching to competitive play. I was very serious about it and our killboard stats never dropped below 93%.
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Subs are fun and interesting and I'm pissed that we're going to have to wait a while to see them hit the game proper.
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Velius posted:What do you need to do to get other subs? You get subs as mission rewards for getting a certain amount of xp in the other subs.
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