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I like where the lore for the T'au is headed at the moment. They only recently got access to warp technology and on the first, large scale attempt, tore a hole in reality and the whole empire saw the entire 4th fleet get swallowed up by it. Ethereals tried to scrub the feed and make it look like it didn't happen and the fleet left just fine. Now, decades after that, they rediscover the fleet (via local space hole), find that they're hosed up as poo poo but process them like normal so now, you have T'au that have been through the warp sprinkled about the empire and who knows how it might have changed them. There's now a Death Guard/Nurgle fleet attacking them so now, they'll get plenty of warp spawn experience. Edit: Wow, the thread moved quick while i was typing o_O Also, relevant. 
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Irate Tree posted:I like where the lore for the T'au is headed at the moment. They only recently got access to warp technology and on the first, large scale attempt, tore a hole in reality and the whole empire saw the entire 4th fleet get swallowed up by it. Ethereals tried to scrub the feed and make it look like it didn't happen and the fleet left just fine. I really like the Death Guard/Tau conflict and I hope its expanded upon in the future. Its not quite the "Unstoppable force vs Immovable object" that the Octarius war is but there is definitely something cool about the champions of hope facing down forces dedicated to the literal god of despair. Plus its yet one more conflict that doesn't involve the Imperium.
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Nov 1, 2018 04:06
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AnEdgelord posted:I really like the Death Guard/Tau conflict and I hope its expanded upon in the future. Its not quite the "Unstoppable force vs Immovable object" that the Octarius war is but there is definitely something cool about the champions of hope facing down forces dedicated to the literal god of despair. Plus its yet one more conflict that doesn't involve the Imperium. You think the Tau are champions of hope? 
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Nov 1, 2018 04:11
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Pendent posted:You think the Tau are champions of hope? They certainly think they are, which is really all that matters here. Them fighting physical manifestations of despair wouldnt be nearly as fun if they were ultra cynical hardasses.
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Nov 1, 2018 04:15
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AnEdgelord posted:I really like the Death Guard/Tau conflict and I hope its expanded upon in the future. Its not quite the "Unstoppable force vs Immovable object" that the Octarius war is but there is definitely something cool about the champions of hope facing down forces dedicated to the literal god of despair. Plus its yet one more conflict that doesn't involve the Imperium. I'm a bit confused. What god of despair to the Tau worship?
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Nov 1, 2018 04:16
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Pendent posted:You think the Tau are champions of hope? Hope is the basis for Ethereal control over the Tau. Every other race doesn't understand the concept, and writes it off as mind control.
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Nov 1, 2018 04:17
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Pendent posted:You think the Tau are champions of hope? Of a kind. They're basically where humanity was during the golden age. Nothing seemed impossible, science and truth reigned and the future is bright. Now? Now they're coming up against the truth of a galaxy that is truly horrifying, filled with regression and war and the laughter of thirsting gods.
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Nov 1, 2018 04:18
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Badablack posted:I would have figured most Battlemechs were Knight sized until you got into the Assault class. An Atlas would be bigger than a warhound for sure. Warhounds are 14 meters tall "standing" which means when they're on the move it's probably 12-13 or so. The "average" for most 'Mechs is 12, the Atlas is 13. Smaller Lights are typically ~10 or so. There aren't any exact numbers on it, but you'd figure a BattleTech Plasma Rifle works out to something similar to a Plasma Decimator given the relative sizes involved, which compares reasonably enough with the bog-standard PPC. Which makes the average battlefield of the Inner Sphere loving terrifying because the average size run of the mill company engagement can have like 30 of them and that's something that's completely unremarkable in BattleTech. God I love BattleTech. 
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Nov 1, 2018 04:32
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Did Tau fluff get retconned from when they were first introduced? I vaguely recall them being clear cut good guys (as relative as that means in 40k). But I also don’t really know what was actual fluff and what was just my dumb kid perspective. I liked them as good guys but I also like the propaganda mind control perspective.
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Nov 1, 2018 05:06
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There's a huge propaganda campaign by the Ethereals, painting everything their race does in a positive light and anyone who doesn't follow that is to be dealt with. This extends to their diplomacy where, at first, they'll be amicable and gentle but once it becomes clear that who they're dealing with doesn't want what the Tau offer, they issue ultimatums, including declaring war. You're also getting a couple more commanders realising something isn't right (space pope isn't real and you're actually talking to a fabrication) and taking their forces to join the Farsight Enclaves. They're still more tolerant than the Imperium when it comes to alien species but they are in no way averse to bringing them to their knees, if not wiping them out. So long as you believe in the combined destiny of the Tau and your place in it, you're all good!
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Nov 1, 2018 05:13
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Did Tau fluff get retconned from when they were first introduced? I vaguely recall them being clear cut good guys (as relative as that means in 40k). The mind control stuff was definitely added later, because you can't have Good factions in 40k, only morally Grey factions that are only slightly better than the outright evil ones.
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Nov 1, 2018 05:21
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It was in their very first codex. Though the idea there was that the Ethereals emitted a pheromone that made the other castes more open to suggestion.
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Nov 1, 2018 05:38
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the other castes be like daaamn blue homie u see the curves on that ethereal
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Nov 1, 2018 06:03
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It was in their very first codex. Though the idea there was that the Ethereals emitted a pheromone that made the other castes more open to suggestion. In the current codex and recent novels it's more explicit, to the tune of an Ethereal telling a water caste T'au to kill herself and she does so unthinkingly with her bonding knife. Ethereals bad.
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Nov 1, 2018 06:05
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what's the difference between etherals and the far sight enclave?
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Nov 1, 2018 06:18
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:what's the difference between etherals and the far sight enclave? Ethereals are a caste of Tau that every other caste follows. The Enclaves are a group of Tau (from all castes except their Ethereals who died) who chased after Orks and secured their own little section of space, separate from the main Empire.
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Nov 1, 2018 06:51
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Strobe posted:Warhounds are 14 meters tall "standing" which means when they're on the move it's probably 12-13 or so. The "average" for most 'Mechs is 12, the Atlas is 13. Smaller Lights are typically ~10 or so. I guess I was overestimating the size of warhound titans. There’s all the artwork of big ol’ imperator titans the size of mountains, I’d assumed that despite being scout class, the warhounds wouldn’t be literally dog sized in comparison. Which makes me wonder what would compare to the bigger titans in Battletech. I guess past a certain point you need all the repulsor fields and antigrav tech just to keep the bigger titans from collapsing under their own mass, and no one in Battletech is crazy or dumb enough to keep making them bigger.
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Nov 1, 2018 07:43
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Did Tau fluff get retconned from when they were first introduced? I vaguely recall them being clear cut good guys (as relative as that means in 40k). It didn't get retconned, they were always good guys but its the grim darkness of the far future, so even the "good guys" still do some shady poo poo sometimes, see: the Imperium of Man. Supposedly they enslaved a bunch of guardsmen for one, but I also remember hearing there was more to that story.
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Nov 1, 2018 08:09
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:what's the difference between etherals and the far sight enclave? Ethereals are the Prophets and Farsight is Arbiter
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Nov 1, 2018 08:10
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Badablack posted:I guess I was overestimating the size of warhound titans. There’s all the artwork of big ol’ imperator titans the size of mountains, I’d assumed that despite being scout class, the warhounds wouldn’t be literally dog sized in comparison. Anything much bigger than an Atlas runs into the problem of too much weight for the footprint they're covering. Immense ground pressure, and it would be super energy-intensive to counter it. Easier to just build a tank and spread the weight out.
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Nov 1, 2018 09:09
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Zaphod42 posted:It didn't get retconned, they were always good guys but its the grim darkness of the far future, so even the "good guys" still do some shady poo poo sometimes, see: the Imperium of Man. They got some Guardsmen that defected, let them assimilate into society with some freedoms but population controlled them hard. e: Also obviously used them as propaganda to be like “look how much happier your people are here”
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Nov 1, 2018 09:44
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Strobe posted:Not really without going into sub-faction match-ups. The literally only possible one is Farsight Enclaves vs. any other Sept, and that one has (canonically) never happened. The Tau were murdering the gently caress out of each other as soon as gunpowder happened until the Ethereals showed up.
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Nov 1, 2018 09:46
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Zaphod42 posted:It didn't get retconned, they were always good guys but its the grim darkness of the far future, so even the "good guys" still do some shady poo poo sometimes, see: the Imperium of Man. There are no good guys in the 40k universe. *except Tyranids.
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Nov 1, 2018 12:51
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Maneck posted:Hope is the basis for Ethereal control over the Tau. Every other race doesn't understand the concept, and writes it off as mind control. Is their leader like, Space Obama?
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Nov 1, 2018 13:27
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Orks are the good guys.
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Nov 1, 2018 13:28
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The Necrons really just want everyone else to get off their drat lawn
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Nov 1, 2018 14:00
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There's no ethical warfare under thirsting gods.
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Nov 1, 2018 14:03
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Groetgaffel posted:There's no ethical warfare under thirsting gods. All warfare is ethical under Khorne, friend
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Nov 1, 2018 14:13
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TheChirurgeon posted:All warfare is ethical under Khorne, friend I thought Chemical warfare would fall under Nurgles purview.
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Nov 1, 2018 14:15
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Cooked Auto posted:I thought Chemical warfare would fall under Nurgles purview. as long as blood flows, both gods can be happy
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Nov 1, 2018 14:19
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TheChirurgeon posted:as long as blood flows, both gods can be happy Depends on the chemical weapon then.
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Nov 1, 2018 14:23
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Groetgaffel posted:There's no ethical warfare under thirsting gods. Gork and Mork would like to have a word about the ethics of krumpin' gits.
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Nov 1, 2018 14:24
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Have you heard the good news of the great biomass in the sky?
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Nov 1, 2018 14:25
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As a fat guy who burps and farts a lot and currently has a hacking cough, I think Nurgle is really onto something guys.
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Nov 1, 2018 14:31
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Nov 1, 2018 14:32
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Strobe posted:Anime:Gundam::Space Marines:Ultramarines 
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Nov 1, 2018 14:41
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I'm more of a Nurgle guy, but you've got my vote
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Nov 1, 2018 14:48
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I hope he turns into an awesome space car.
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Nov 1, 2018 16:33
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I would totally buy two models for one unit that is basically a transformer so I could put the mech model down in mech mode and the jet down in jet mode. I mean I guess things just hop around now, but you get it.
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Pendent posted:You think the Tau are champions of hope? Compared to these guys, sorta, yeah: 
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