Deltarune: Asriel Weird Sciencing Sans out of the computer

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Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has? Or is it just me :smithicide:

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:13

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Two Inch Bee: Apr 17, 2003; Damn you, Lyle, and damn your style.

Fangz posted:

I think the Jevil fight is the one exception though. Otherwise the melody is only in very supportive and motivational places.

Yeah, you're right - I can't actually think of any other examples of it being used that way.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:13

Your Computer: Oct 3, 2008; Grimey Drawer

The melody is the same for the line "With the truth, the promise in our hearts" so I don't think it's right to say that these melodies are "repeating I'm with you in the dark". I do think the ending lyrics are super interesting and it does make you look at the motif in a different light, though.

Pollyanna posted:

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has? Or is it just me

it hurts

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:22

W.T. Fits: Apr 21, 2010; Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Pollyanna posted:

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has?

Meh.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:25

MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Pollyanna posted:

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has? Or is it just me

Your Computer posted:

it hurts

[The taste of pain fills you with determination.]

:gibs:

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:28

Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

MariusLecter posted:

[The taste of pain fills you with determination.]

the color after black is red :black101:

vvvv

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Nov 3, 2018

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:29

Nep-Nep: May 15, 2004; Just one more thing!

Pollyanna posted:

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has? Or is it just me

Fortunately for me one of the things I like best about Toby Fox's work is his use of disappointment as humor, and I know all about disappointing people.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 17:45

Sherry Bahm: Jul 30, 2003; filled with dolphins

Pollyanna posted:

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has? Or is it just me

I dunno, I find it really inspiring that I might be able to sit down all by myself and slowly over a period of several years produce something that might be enjoyed by many people. So I guess it depends on how you look at it. v :shobon:

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:08

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
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Pollyanna posted:

So how are we all dealing with the impact that we're nowhere near as capable of the creativity and talent that Toby Fox has? Or is it just me

If anything, I found Deltarune and Undertale inspirational. Seeing what one person can accomplish creatively (not that Toby claims sole credit, he had collaborators, but it's primarily his project) sets an encouraging high bar for the possible. You, too, can make a game if you want, with as much care and heart as was put into these.

There's also a lot of neat themes and ideas the games have opened up, and the way gaming and pop culture works as larger concern means you can pick up the conversation somewhere Toby left off and go somewhere new with it. Maybe something about how to make non-violent game mechanics, or more engaging turn-based combat, or analyzing game systems from within a game's story will pique your interest and lead you in your own direction?

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:10

Barry Bluejeans: Feb 2, 2017; ATTENTHUN THITIZENTH

Ralsei blushes if you stand too close to him.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTastySashimiPJSalt

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:11

El Burbo: Oct 10, 2012

Barry Bluejeans posted:

Ralsei blushes if you stand too close to him.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTastySashimiPJSalt

El Burbo posted:

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:13

Spiderfist Island: Feb 19, 2011

Now that I finished the chapter and have watched some other people play, I noticed a couple of things:

The first section of the Dark World looks a whole lot different in terms of detail and atmosphere from everything else. Once you get to the Castle Town, which everyone's already noted looks fake and cliche, then the world becomes a lot more simplistic or wonderland-like in quality. This could be due to the same production reasons that caused the Ruins in Undertale to be a little less detailed than later sections, but I think it's intentional that the Dark World is shaping to someone's expectations and mirrors parts of the real world.
Lancer attacks you in the first region of the Dark World, but only as a silhouette. Pretty obvious, but I figure it's important since it means that there isn't a hard border between the initial goop/dust/eye zone and the Card Kingdom. Or that Lancer's different from the rest of the world past the gold door. (He's technically also a Prince From the Dark, too...)
The Prince From the Dark in Ralsei's story still has his face obscured by a hood unlike Ralsei's final form. The fact that Ralsei is a literal and metaphorical anagram of Asriel and is a yes-man/buddy for Kris a lot of the time makes me think that if the Prince is "real," then he's taking a form that Kris wants or needs.
Ralsei is the first person in the game to say that your choices matter.
Ralsei turns back to face the camera/entrance when the golden door closes. Or when he closes the golden door, could be either.
Sometimes the Annoying Dog takes up one of Kris's blanked-out stats when you open the party screen.
When Susie joins your party for good, she replaces Ralsei as the second party member in the lineup. She probably will be just as much the protagonist as Kris is in the game.
I think that Susie's line when she initially rejects saving the world about "You can play along with this stupid quest, I'll find a way home myself" is going to be important. Based on her reaction to Ralsei's appearance after removing his hat, I think she knows by the end of Chapter 1 that there's a connection between Kris and everything they went through in the Dark World, and that something's really off.
The Jevil voice clips are absolutely a reference to these clown stickers that were linked further up-thread. This kind of obscure joke about lovely / inane online graphics is probably the most Homestuck thing in any of Toby's games and hacks.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:19

Danaru: Jun 5, 2012; 何 ??

Barry Bluejeans posted:

Ralsei blushes if you stand too close to him.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTastySashimiPJSalt

Ralsei is too perfect for this sinful world

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:22

MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Spiderfist Island posted:

Now that I finished the chapter and have watched some other people play, I noticed a couple of things:

The first section of the Dark World looks a whole lot different in terms of detail and atmosphere from everything else. Once you get to the Castle Town, which everyone's already noted looks fake and cliche, then the world becomes a lot more simplistic or wonderland-like in quality. This could be due to the same production reasons that caused the Ruins in Undertale to be a little less detailed than later sections, but I think it's intentional that the Dark World is shaping to someone's expectations and mirrors parts of the real world.

Lancer attacks you in the first region of the Dark World, but only as a silhouette. Pretty obvious, but I figure it's important since it means that there isn't a hard border between the initial goop/dust/eye zone and the Card Kingdom. Or that Lancer's different from the rest of the world past the gold door. (He's technically also a Prince From the Dark, too...)

The Prince From the Dark in Ralsei's story still has his face obscured by a hood unlike Ralsei's final form. The fact that Ralsei is a literal and metaphorical anagram of Asriel and is a yes-man/buddy for Kris a lot of the time makes me think that if the Prince is "real," then he's taking a form that Kris wants or needs.

Ralsei is the first person in the game to say that your choices matter.

Ralsei turns back to face the camera/entrance when the golden door closes. Or when he closes the golden door, could be either.

Sometimes the Annoying Dog takes up one of Kris's blanked-out stats when you open the party screen.

When Susie joins your party for good, she replaces Ralsei as the second party member in the lineup. She probably will be just as much the protagonist as Kris is in the game.

I think that Susie's line when she initially rejects saving the world about "You can play along with this stupid quest, I'll find a way home myself" is going to be important. Based on her reaction to Ralsei's appearance after removing his hat, I think she knows by the end of Chapter 1 that there's a connection between Kris and everything they went through in the Dark World, and that something's really off.

The Jevil voice clips are absolutely a reference to these clown stickers that were linked further up-thread. This kind of obscure joke about lovely / inane online graphics is probably the most Homestuck thing in any of Toby's games and hacks.

Thought Susie's reaction was because there is a monster goat family and an Asriel in the "real" world.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:23

Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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Undertale AUs are bad. Praise our god Toby

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:24

Electric Phantasm: Apr 7, 2011; YOSPOS

El Burbo posted:

These Rasiel is actually evil theories need to stop, I don't think I could take it if they're right.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:29

GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

I think it makes a lot of sense that Raslei's actual role in the story may be very different than the one he imagined for himself, whether that means he's going to "turn evil" or not.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:30

Spiderfist Island: Feb 19, 2011

MariusLecter posted:

Thought Susie's reaction was because there is a monster goat family and an Asriel in the "real" world.

Yeah, I guess I garbled what I was trying to say. If the rest of the town is something to go by, Susie knows who Asriel is and sees that there's something strange with his doppelg�nger showing up in the dark world and cheerleading Kris and her through a fantasy.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:35

Sherry Bahm: Jul 30, 2003; filled with dolphins

I do think there's something amazing about producing a piece of work that resonates with so many people that they start to do their own AU and fanfics off of it.

Whether they're good or not, they seem to be having fun with it, and I see little point or reason for anyone, much less Toby Fox themselves, to hate on people on the internet playing with it and throwing their own ideas into the mix.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:45

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
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GunnerJ posted:

I think it makes a lot of sense that Raslei's actual role in the story may be very different than the one he imagined for himself, whether that means he's going to "turn evil" or not.

Just the fact that this is only meant to be chapter one, but so far as Raslei's concerned the quest of legend's been wrapped up, probably means he's going to be proven wrong about what he believes is his destiny and role in events. At the very least I expect if you go back to the Dark Realm it's not just going to be cakes and fun. My intuition is he wasn't lying or acting during the first chapter, so it might just come down to how he adapts to the world not being as simple and clean-cut as he thought - realizing at the end that sometimes you'll have to fight felt like a preview of that.

I don't think he'll "turn evil", but he'll probably develop and maybe have a rough time of things. Also how he relates to Asriel could be explored.

Edit:

Tin Can Hit Man posted:

I do think there's something amazing about producing a piece of work that resonates with so many people that they start to do their own AU and fanfics off of it.

I remember reading somewhere describing that post-game funk feeling when you realize you've reached the end and have to leave the game behind, and going so far as rereading the instruction manual (back when those existed) or messing with the box just because you don't want to leave just yet. A lot of fan content seems to be a similar expression of wanting to hold on to the feeling for a little bit longer - hell, posting in this thread is probably part of that too.

Dolash fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 3, 2018

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:51

Magitek: Feb 20, 2008; That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

Don't be jealous of Toby. The idea that any creative work that isn't phenomenal is worthless is a notion that's been thrown out plenty of times before. It's just a facile view that nothing can stand on its own and must be compared to everything that has ever existed.

Barry Bluejeans posted:

Ralsei blushes if you stand too close to him.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTastySashimiPJSalt

# ? Nov 3, 2018 18:52

Your Computer: Oct 3, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Magitek posted:

Don't be jealous of Toby. The idea that any creative work that isn't phenomenal is worthless is a notion that's been thrown out plenty of times before. It's just a facile view that nothing can stand on its own and must be compared to everything that has ever existed.

I'm not jealous, I'm envious :pram:

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:00

MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Dolash posted:

I remember reading somewhere describing that post-game funk feeling when you realize you've reached the end and have to leave the game behind, and going so far as rereading the instruction manual (back when those existed) or messing with the box just because you don't want to leave just yet. A lot of fan content seems to be a similar expression of wanting to hold on to the feeling for a little bit longer - hell, posting in this thread is probably part of that too.

Is this the part where someone should post the Hbomber video on Undertale?

It is.
Perverted Sentimentality: An Analysis of UNDERTALE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-0sjkDnkc

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:01

Sherry Bahm: Jul 30, 2003; filled with dolphins

Dolash posted:

I remember reading somewhere describing that post-game funk feeling when you realize you've reached the end and have to leave the game behind, and going so far as rereading the instruction manual (back when those existed) or messing with the box just because you don't want to leave just yet. A lot of fan content seems to be a similar expression of wanting to hold on to the feeling for a little bit longer - hell, posting in this thread is probably part of that too.

Doing your own AU and fanfic is also a way to keep that feeling. I can't really blame or fault anyone for that, regardless of the quality of what they produce.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:02

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
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In the morality of Undertale it's also probably presented as more acceptable than availing yourself of the option to murder everyone to see what kind of Content that will provide you, even if Flowey's appeal to let Frisk go live their life could probably be generalized to "lingering on something when it's over isn't healthy".

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:08

J.A.B.C.: Jul 2, 2007; There's no need to rush to be an adult.

GunnerJ posted:

I think it makes a lot of sense that Raslei's actual role in the story may be very different than the one he imagined for himself, whether that means he's going to "turn evil" or not.

Honestly, if they go that route its more going to be 'well, I'm doing the right thing bringing back balance by sealing away/destroying dark world and all its people' thing. To Ralsei, he is in the right by doing something we see as wrong, and the conflict would come from there. Not anything malicious, but a difference in intent and action.

Then again, that's not what I'm seeing from this game so far, which is good.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:09

J.A.B.C.: Jul 2, 2007; There's no need to rush to be an adult.

Dolash posted:

If anything, I found Deltarune and Undertale inspirational. Seeing what one person can accomplish creatively (not that Toby claims sole credit, he had collaborators, but it's primarily his project) sets an encouraging high bar for the possible. You, too, can make a game if you want, with as much care and heart as was put into these.

There's also a lot of neat themes and ideas the games have opened up, and the way gaming and pop culture works as larger concern means you can pick up the conversation somewhere Toby left off and go somewhere new with it. Maybe something about how to make non-violent game mechanics, or more engaging turn-based combat, or analyzing game systems from within a game's story will pique your interest and lead you in your own direction?

This. Seeing what even a small creative team can do, especially when there's so much big-name disappointment on the market, should be an inspiration to go "Hey, I can do that" and bring your idea to life. Write stories. Make music. Learn a game creation program (Undertale was made in GameMaker pro, a $50 dollar expansion for free software) and put the idea through its paces. Test it, see what works, improve what doesn't. And there's no shortage of outlets.

Heck, there's a game creator's area on SA, and we've seen devs work in real time. Dropsy, Roundabout and Hot Tin Roof are some that spring to mind. Go talk! These dead gay comedy forums are at your disposal, man.

Just let us know how its going, alright?

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:17

Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

Am I going a bit nuts, or is Sans the only character from the last game who's overworld sprite is unchanged? I mean, it could just be because it is Sans who specialises in doing nothing , but still...

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:18

Your Computer: Oct 3, 2008; Grimey Drawer

MariusLecter posted:

Is this the part where someone should post the Hbomber video on Undertale?

It is.
Perverted Sentimentality: An Analysis of UNDERTALE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-0sjkDnkc

thanks, it's been too long since I watched it!

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:20

Moriatti: Apr 21, 2014

Sans is definitely Sans Undertale, so it should be neat to see how and if that progresses. I hope it's a background thing though.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:23

McDragon: Sep 11, 2007

also I thought suzie was a worm person at first

also I just got why the bonus boss was what he was

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:26

The Cheshire Cat: Jun 10, 2008; Fun Shoe

El Burbo posted:

If you flipped that horizontally it would make for a good avatar.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:35

Toalpaz: Mar 20, 2012; Peace through overwhelming determination

The Cheshire Cat posted:

If you flipped that horizontally it would make for a good avatar.

hmm

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:35

McFrugal: Oct 11, 2003

If there's some twist with Ralsei it could be that he's not even a real person.
What if the Dark World is a world created from the make-believe wishes of children? Playing pretend with a deck of cards and chess/checkers, or... a headband with red horns on it. Ralsei is who Kris wishes they could be(but you can't choose who you are), while the Card Kingdom is one created by the imagination of all the other kids. Ralsei's kingdom is empty because Kris didn't make up any friends to go along with him. Or maybe it's empty because Kris doesn't have any friends.

Kris discarded the headband. The games got locked up in the unused classroom. The Dark World is sealed away.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:45

MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

The Cheshire Cat posted:

If you flipped that horizontally it would make for a good avatar.

e;
Actually fits with av size constraints.

MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Nov 3, 2018

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:48

El Burbo: Oct 10, 2012

The Cheshire Cat posted:

If you flipped that horizontally it would make for a good avatar.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:57

Madtrixr: Nov 27, 2010

Pollyanna posted:

"Is it just me or does DeltaRune seem really mocking/accusatory of Undertale AU creators? Don�t get me wrong. I�m in favor of this. But that�s def the vibe I�m getting from it�"

Also, stupid teenager poo poo and really creepy sexualization.

Is it weird that I literally cannot understand that tumblr post and why they are so upset, no matter how many times i read through it? Like I'm trying to get what is up with them but its not making any sense.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 19:58

Cuntellectual: Aug 6, 2010

Deltarune feels to Undertale what LISA was to Earthbound. :v:

McDragon posted:

also I thought suzie was a worm person at first

also I just got why the bonus boss was what he was

I wondered why a horse person had teeth. :v:

Larryb posted:

True, also despite what the prophecy said Ralsei wasn't with Kris and Susie when they reached the fountain (though then again it also said the event would happen at the end of the world so it's possible that particular plot point simply hasn't come to pass just yet).

it's the end of the world if the fountain being destroyed destroys the card kingdom.

Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Nov 3, 2018

# ? Nov 3, 2018 20:01

Electric Phantasm: Apr 7, 2011; YOSPOS

Man the battle theme has been reminding of another game ever since I heard it and I think figured it out. It reminds me of a battle theme from one of the Mega Man Battle Network games.

# ? Nov 3, 2018 20:12

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Madtrixr posted:

Is it weird that I literally cannot understand that tumblr post and why they are so upset, no matter how many times i read through it? Like I'm trying to get what is up with them but its not making any sense.

They said delta rune was bad and that annoyed someone and that proves delta rune is bad

# ? Nov 3, 2018 20:19

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