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I think a lot of people are gonna come round on part 5 thanks to the anime. It's rarely anyone's favourite part right now, but I can see that changing because the fights in it are ridiculously good. Stuff like White Album, Grateful Dead/Beach Boy etc.
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Nov 3, 2018 21:57
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Patware posted:except for joseph (unless you count that DIO had to die for that) Joseph is essentially an outlier, the exception to the rule of "the dead don't come back" and even then the reason for Joseph's return was pretty much some grade-a bullshit (not that I'm unhappy with Joseph surviving, I'm glad he did) since it was all like "hey this fight only took 5 minutes, Joseph's body was preserved and mummified from the exsanguination, let's just pump his heart while we pump his blood from DIO's corpse back into him even though we saw his spirit fly away and" Joseph just breaks the rules, which I guess is appropriate since even Part 2 was all about using Joseph as this trickster who just outright broke the rules of whatever you were expecting from a fight. He just doesn't care, he's a looney tunes character, just pump the blood back into him and he'll be fine, probably even better than before because DIO blood.
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Nov 3, 2018 23:39
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I like that one post that basically explained Joseph coming back as him trying to get away from Johnathan becuase Johnathan is extremly lame.
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Nov 3, 2018 23:52
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Joseph came back because it was the most epic prank of all time, and that's that on that. 
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Nov 3, 2018 23:55
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Momomo posted:Any time someone says part 6 is bad I wonder what planet they're from Speaking of planets, I love how Araki obviously really got into space stuff when he made part 6. I'm just imagining him taking a tour at the Kennedy Space Center, and every ten minutes or so he's like "oh poo poo, that's awesome, I'm gonna make a stand based on that!" and he starts furiously scribbling in a notebook.
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Nov 4, 2018 00:30
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"Don't you think it's awfully convienient those coordinates are so close to Kennedy Space Center, Araki?" "Shut up, space is cool."
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Nov 4, 2018 00:34
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"Ok, but if the inside air lost pressure from the lack of gravity, wouldn't that just make the outside air come in even more?" "Check it out, Weather is making these awesome space suits!"
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Nov 4, 2018 00:53
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I think a lot of people are gonna come round on part 5 thanks to the anime. It's rarely anyone's favourite part right now, but I can see that changing because the fights in it are ridiculously good. Stuff like White Album, Grateful Dead/Beach Boy etc. I'm really loving it so far. It seemed so antiseptic before but the anime has me turnt up
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Nov 4, 2018 05:46
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DamnGlitch posted:It seemed so antiseptic before the jellyfish makes it antiseptic
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Nov 4, 2018 05:51
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I somehow completely forgot about the jellyfish. For some reason I remembered it as Giorno simply downing the piss like a champ to assert his dominance.
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Nov 4, 2018 05:56
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It turned back into his tooth so I guess he absorbed it back into his balls somehow. So you’re not wrong.
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Nov 4, 2018 05:59
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part 7's anime won't be divisive at least neither will part 8's because part 8 sucks lol
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Nov 4, 2018 06:29
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:It turned back into his tooth so I guess he absorbed it back into his balls somehow. So you’re not wrong. https://twitter.com/WeedVentoAureo/status/735887703187689474
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Nov 4, 2018 09:02
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I think a lot of people are gonna come round on part 5 thanks to the anime. It's rarely anyone's favourite part right now, but I can see that changing because the fights in it are ridiculously good. Stuff like White Album, Grateful Dead/Beach Boy etc. A lot of Japan liked 5, and I think the big difference is translation, as has been often stated. Not many people *really* went back and read the new translation in comparison, so all they remember in 5 are the fights themselves, MISTA being yelled, and not knowing what the hell is going at the end (with no character personalities). This fixes all of the above. Another thing that makes this good is Stand balance. The gang has one OP Stand, one weirdly can use in weird ways to do weird stuff Stand, two people that can shoot at you, a non combat time stand, and a broken Stand that leaves the story after being used once. This is balanced against Stands that are mostly long distance or oddly untouchable that everyone has to combine their different specialties to defeat, as opposed to more ISO fights like in 3 and 4.
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Nov 4, 2018 11:28
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I feel bad for Abbacchio cause man the dude died and left behind a way for the gang to follow Diavolo and then immediately afterwards the team gets contacted by Polnareff because he noticed they're looking into this Diavolo guy
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FirstAidKite posted:Ok so let me start off by defining 3 important things that I notice come up time and time again within Jojo It's all made up and the points dont matter
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Ryaomon posted:part 7's anime won't be divisive at least i like part 8 but man it is seriously spinning it's wheels it'll probably be better once i can read it all at once e: part 7 is objectively the best but part 4 is my favorite which i guess directly contradicts my complaint about part 8 spinning it's wheels, but uh shut up Yinlock fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 4, 2018 |
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Nov 4, 2018 15:11
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Night Goat posted:Also is Sprite not a thing in some countries or did a translator just not know what the hell it was? 
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Nov 4, 2018 18:32
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I see someone has never heard of Bepis.
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That was a hella interesting opinion/theory/post about Araki's work FirstAidKite, and I sorta wish that you can further discuss it. 
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Here's a continuation of that post then: at the point where I said I needed to stop or I'd pass out from exhaustion, I ended up passing out from exhaustion and when I woke up the post just had a bunch of ";"s and "w"s added to the end. Make of that what you will
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Nov 4, 2018 18:39
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Rest is important, too! 
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Nov 4, 2018 18:44
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I'll sleep when I'm dead There should be more sleep stands. There's what, Death 13 and that's it? I think White Snake did some stuff where it could put you to sleep too.
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Nov 4, 2018 19:13
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FirstAidKite posted:I feel bad for Abbacchio cause man the dude died and left behind a way for the gang to follow Diavolo and then immediately afterwards the team gets contacted by Polnareff because he noticed they're looking into this Diavolo guy The only reason Polnareff notices the Gang Stars is because he notices someone trying to look up Diavolo's fingerprints, and they only have those prints because Abbacchio made them with his Moody Blues, so it's like he contributed.
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Nov 4, 2018 19:30
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Should go on his grave stone. Here lies Polnareff He contributed
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One thing I noticed is that “gravity” is often used to refer to an all-encompassing force that has to do with fate, the attraction between stand users, and actual regular-rear end gravity. It’s also a more powerful force than both time and the planes of reality.
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Nov 5, 2018 02:16
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FirstAidKite posted:I'll sleep when I'm dead Chariot Requiem puts people to sleep, but it also does like 4 other things at the same time so i'm not sure it counts
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Nov 5, 2018 02:32
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Yinlock posted:Chariot Requiem puts people to sleep, but it also does like 4 other things at the same time so i'm not sure it counts God I can't imagine how people are gonna react to that part in the anime. So much crazy poo poo goes on that seems out of nowhere. I guess if you look at it from the perspective of how powerful and dangerous the arrow can be when used the wrong way/when you are not ready for it, it seems less like Araki just pulling random crap from his rear end to raise the stakes?
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We're gonna give out quizzes asking anime-only people to describe what King Crimson, Silver Chariot Requiem, and Gold Experience Requiem actually do.
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Pigbuster posted:One thing I noticed is that “gravity” is often used to refer to an all-encompassing force that has to do with fate, the attraction between stand users, and actual regular-rear end gravity. It’s also a more powerful force than both time and the planes of reality. Yeah, Gravity as a force that pulls people together acts almost like a subset of Fate. To describe it in terms of a movie, Fate would me the fact that there is a clear start and end of a film and if you see images on the back of the dvd case, then chances are you'll see those images (or at least ones very similar) shown up within the movie proper. This is Fate. Fate is semi-predetermined, you may be able to divine the answers but not the context and it is through that context that a person has some means of controlling their own fate. Then you have Gravity which is just this natural force that pulls all of the necessary things together in order to accomplish the actions that have been predetermined by Fate. Fate determined that Jotaro was always going to die through having his face split in half by some catastrophic explosion-like force, but Gravity is what continued to put him into situations that would allow for Jotaro to reach that end state eventually. Gravity is what ultimately brought together all of the correct people in order to kill Pucci, with Pucci incorrectly believing that he had control over Fate since he existed as an outsider from the current world, but what he neglected to factor in was the fact that he was always a slave of Fate, just as everyone else was, and that Fate is not a man-made measurement of something like Time is but is, in essence, its own existing thing that starts when you open the book and ends when you close it. Regardless of how things get changed within the world itself, Fate is what ultimately controls everything and guides the story. Fate, in that way, is Araki himself, and any time someone brings up Fate or its second-in-command Gravity, you can easily sub those out with Araki.
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Funky Valentine posted:We're gonna give out quizzes asking anime-only people to describe what King Crimson, Silver Chariot Requiem, and Gold Experience Requiem actually do. And they're gonna win because the sub translation isn't going to have several contradictory 5 paragraph info dumps about what they think it can do.
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Nov 5, 2018 15:24
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King Crimson will probably be a million times easier to get in motion as well.
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(Heavy HxH spoilers about the latest arc; DO NOT READ if you plan to follow that/have yet to catch up from where the 2011 anime left) Also Togashi basically explained it with nen in one of the latest chapters of Hunter x Hunter.
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FirstAidKite posted:Fate determined that Jotaro was always going to die through having his face split in half by some catastrophic explosion-like force, but Gravity is what continued to put him into situations that would allow for Jotaro to reach that end state eventually. Gravity is what ultimately brought together all of the correct people in order to kill Pucci, with Pucci incorrectly believing that he had control over Fate since he existed as an outsider from the current world, but what he neglected to factor in was the fact that he was always a slave of Fate, just as everyone else was, and that Fate is not a man-made measurement of something like Time is but is, in essence, its own existing thing that starts when you open the book and ends when you close it. Regardless of how things get changed within the world itself, Fate is what ultimately controls everything and guides the story. Fate, in that way, is Araki himself, and any time someone brings up Fate or its second-in-command Gravity, you can easily sub those out with Araki. eh i like pucci being more or less outside of fate just for the poetic justice of emporio tricking him into loving himself over also while the end result of Fate may be the same there seems to be a lot of wriggle room as to the details
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Momomo posted:King Crimson will probably be a million times easier to get in motion as well. Likewise, Silver Chariot Requiem will be easier to follow with voice acting.
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Yinlock posted:also while the end result of Fate may be the same there seems to be a lot of wriggle room as to the details Exactly. This is seen very clearly with the fight between Doppio and Risotto Nero where Doppio can see exactly what will happen in the future but he needs to find a way of interpreting it that doesn't involve him losing his own leg. Fate moves at its own pace and is a very pliable force. It will bend and shift in shape as needed to make things work. The problem with people like Pucci is that they get the idea that they can control Fate when, in actuality, Fate is still very much something they have to abide by and while others in the new universe had to abide by their predetermined fate far more strictly than Pucci, his mistake of thinking he existed outside of Fate caused him to become careless and influence Emporio's Fate by accidentally punching Weather's stand disc into him, thus giving Emporio some degree of influence over Fate as well since what Pucci did is kind of like derailing a train.
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FirstAidKite posted:Exactly. This is seen very clearly with the fight between Doppio and Risotto Nero where Doppio can see exactly what will happen in the future but he needs to find a way of interpreting it that doesn't involve him losing his own leg. That is my favourite detail when it comes to Pucci. A lot of his problems wouldn't have gotten so out of control had he not kept trying to gently caress with fate and just let things be. By becoming the one being who was no longer affected by fate, and in turn could affect the fate of others, he continues to make decisions that bite him in the rear end. JDRockefeller fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Nov 6, 2018 |
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Araki is one of the few fiction writers that understands prophecy and causality, and that the way to "beat" it is to find alternative methods to fulfill it as opposed to fighting it. David Xanatos gets it as well with his "make myself rich" plan as well, I guess. But most fiction has people foghting fate too hard to the point of screwing themselves. It goes back to Greek mythology, yeah, but it gets annoying.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Likewise, Silver Chariot Requiem will be easier to follow with voice acting. I hope they keep the bodies' voice actors the same, and they do impressions of the swapped souls'.
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