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someone once pointed out that Brown Eyed Girl is clearly about anal sex:quote:Hey, where did we go and id say that pretty well spoiled the song
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chernobyl kinsman posted:someone once pointed out that Brown Eyed Girl is clearly about anal sex: Ok I like that song a lot more now
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sorry, I was unclear. I didn't mean in regards to spoilers specifically but rather what do you look for in music if you judge it primarily - or even solely - on the craft involved in creating it? Prog rock people can play very fast and in uncommon time signatures but that doesn't make them better musicians than Sam Cooke or Pete Seeger.
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When you talk about music you get into neuroscience and the way different brains react to music is both fascinating and strange. Give me a child under three with sensory issues and I can literally rewire their brains with sounds and lights without anyone on earth knowing exactly why it works.
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cebrail posted:Prog rock people can play very fast and in uncommon time signatures but that doesn't make them better musicians than Sam Cooke or Pete Seeger. Exactly, and that's why I'm curious: what exactly is "the craft" being analysed in the context of music? With literature, it's largely down to the prose style, isn't it?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_theory
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learnincurve posted:When you talk about music you get into neuroscience and the way different brains react to music is both fascinating and strange. Give me a child under three with sensory issues and I can literally rewire their brains with sounds and lights without anyone on earth knowing exactly why it works. It's something music does that people increasingly want from literature. This ability to simply experience it, rather than to engage with it. It's the "relatibility" of characters, the ease of the prose, the empathetic response people get from plot going according to their predictions and desires. It's not featuring "problematic" situations. It's substituting the characters' morals for the author's. It's total shite. I get the feeling that people increasingly want to be passive when it comes to books. Editors and agents saying, "I want to wow'ed!" Bollocks. The book can only do so much if you're willing to do nothing. Engagement seems lower and lower, with people wanting stories that reveal. At least an old man yelling at clouds is an active participant in something.
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it might be particularly bad now but it's not new, aristotle was making GBS threads on the desire for spectacle in the 4th century BC
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it might be particularly bad now but it's not new, aristotle was making GBS threads on the desire for spectacle in the 4th century BC I am that active aul lad yelling at faraway clouds.
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I think what you are talking about is that your average joe does not don’t want to be seen as someone who likes low-brow literature, so it’s the whole literary fiction genre that’s increasingly been made dumber instead, and becoming more like formulaic mass produced romance novels. They are safe, predictable, follow a few set patterns, and the actual character descriptions are so vague you can very easily imagine it’s you with Fabio the stable boy/sparkly vampire. My dad had a good point when he said that my grandma likes audiobook versions of books about nurses because she can tune out and tune back in again without losing anything because the plot is basically interchangeable - I bet you could do exactly the same with any recent book involving the disappearance of a girl.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sorry, I was unclear. I didn't mean in regards to spoilers specifically but rather what do you look for in music if you judge it primarily - or even solely - on the craft involved in creating it? craft and technical proficiency aren't the same, and overly technical music usually sucks
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Wheat Loaf posted:Are the prog rock people innately better than, say, Sam Cooke or Pete Seeger just because they are more proficient technical musicians? Craft is not a question of complexity but of understanding of mechanics Townes Van Zandt is the greatest goddamn songwriter of all time and his music is as far from prog rock as possible
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How did the Real Literature thread get locked? Makes no sense at all.
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what did you do, hieronymous
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chernobyl kinsman posted:what did you do, hieronymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is
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chernobyl kinsman posted:someone once pointed out that Brown Eyed Girl is clearly about anal sex: Simon & Garfunkel's Cecilia is about a guy threatened by his gf using a dildo, cmv
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gently caress
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Wont be fooled again by the who is actually about an aggressively gullible person who keeps believing songs are secretly about dirty things despite that obviously not being the case
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Closer by nine inch nails is actually about zookeeping.
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who gives a poo poo what all those lameass grandpa rock songs are about
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My noise tape of beeps, boops and sighs is about the self service checkout in the supermarket.
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do you guys listen to music while reading? i do, but only classical or stuff that could charitably described as "minimalist" or "ambient" but more accurately described as "just a bunch of weird noises", like a car door slamming repeatedly overlaid with static or someone yelling in a cistern
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Nov 5, 2018 23:41
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"gently caress the cistern!" a cry often heard by numb legged readers.
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im not kidding about the cistern thing, New Sounds did a whole show about it
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I'm totally kidding about a noise tape featuring a self service supermarket checkout. haha ha
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chernobyl kinsman posted:do you guys listen to music while reading? i do, but only classical or stuff that could charitably described as "minimalist" or "ambient" but more accurately described as "just a bunch of weird noises", like a car door slamming repeatedly overlaid with static or someone yelling in a cistern Yeah, sometimes. If I can find something minimal enough that that fits the mood. I found a Spotify playlist called Organic Experimental, and it's really good to read to. I listened to Ennio Morricone compositions when reading westerns. It really just depends.
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I have tinnitus so it's either music or the long droning ringing that haunts my existence. I like listening to soundtracks since they're designed to make you focus on what is happening.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:do you guys listen to music while reading? i do, but only classical or stuff that could charitably described as "minimalist" or "ambient" but more accurately described as "just a bunch of weird noises", like a car door slamming repeatedly overlaid with static or someone yelling in a cistern Tim Hecker?
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chernobyl kinsman posted:do you guys listen to music while reading? i do, but only classical or stuff that could charitably described as "minimalist" or "ambient" but more accurately described as "just a bunch of weird noises", like a car door slamming repeatedly overlaid with static or someone yelling in a cistern I have a lot of Spotify playlists that are like movie and video game soundtracks with themes based on what I’m reading—medieval-style music for medieval history books, stuff like that. Regular music distracts me from what I’m reading, but since soundtracks are supposed to set a mood while fading into the background anyway they help me focus.
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i'm freaking amped to read a thick novel while listening to my favorite film and videogame soundtracks + tim hecker babies first ambient. are you clowns for real?
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A human heart posted:i'm freaking amped to read a thick novel while listening to my favorite film and videogame soundtracks + tim hecker babies first ambient. are you clowns for real? gently caress yeah dude nothing gets me harder than experimental drone music while reading Borges
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I listen to true crime podcasts while reading techno thrillers
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A human heart posted:i'm freaking amped to read a thick novel while listening to my favorite film and videogame soundtracks + tim hecker babies first ambient. are you clowns for real? Tim hecker is good a human heart
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Ambient music sucks major rear end
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CestMoi posted:Tim hecker is good a human heart i listened to his first album and it was ok but then there's like 10 of the drat things and he's supposed to be some kind of avant garde magical man now, i'm not falling for that
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Cant stand yhese avant garde magical men why camt they all be down to earth like david tibet
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The right soundtrack for any book are the public transport noises from the country of thr author
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Marin Karin posted:I have tinnitus so it's either music or the long droning ringing that haunts my existence. I've been listening to a lot of jazz ever since a few years ago when I read that book with the jazz vampires here's some good jazz (skip to the 47:45 mark approx): https://us.ivoox.com/en/episode-358...0aPG7on5QJfU-Yw
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A human heart posted:i listened to his first album and it was ok but then there's like 10 of the drat things and he's supposed to be some kind of avant garde magical man now, i'm not falling for that hmm saving for scoff thread
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I always listen to soft jazz covers of video game music when I read
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