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Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Kevos Setzer posted:

For the better, I hope.

I know the mechanics of how you go back to Oriath. I just don't know the why. There's not even a "Some rear end in a top hat just proclaimed himself King poo poo of poo poo Mountain. Go show him what happened to the last guy to claim that title." It's just "Here's the door back. Go, go, go!"

Oyun says "please leave matriarch mountain China you're making everyone uncomfortable having murdered our mountain"

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



for me there's a kind of beautiful simplicity in your character just going "well, i murdered the mountain, now to climb its corpse"

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Ghostlight posted:

for me there's a kind of beautiful simplicity in your character just going "well, i murdered the mountain, now to climb its corpse"

Much like Payday 2, I have no problem seeing "click the police" as motivation for its own sake.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lechtansi posted:

To be fair, I have 1000 hours into the game and I didn't know any of this. Care to finish the story in a TL:DR fashion?


I can try, but you folks saw the wiki and the size of that thing. I think my best attempt at making a TLDR of Path of Exile's story is still going to be a wall of text because that "psychodelic" part I mentioned is really hard to summarize. I'll see what I can do.

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013



I can give a plot summary a basic go.

You get exiled from the island of Oriath to the mainland of Wraeclast for different reasons depending on character, and wash up on the beach outside Lioneye's watch. Because you are the most competent person there, you try and help them by finding a safe road in to the city of Sarn, capital of Wraeclast.

On the way, you bump into an Oriathan by the name of Piety who is up to no good and experimenting with implanting virtue gems or something like that. In Sarn, you meet Dialla, an ancient survivor of the old empire of Wraeclast. She helps you stop Piety's experiments, but you find out Domnius, high templar and an important member of the theocracy of Oriath, is doing equally bad things atop the Sceptre of God. You then go kill his as revenge for your exile and/or to stop him as well.

Then you head to highgate, and find the emperor Malachai, who made Dialla into the gemling, is alive and fused with the Beast, source of all virtue gems, on top the mountain. Dialla then helps you stop another world ending threat. From there, you return to Oriath via portal to get revenge on the rest of the templars or to chill out and retire, but find a riot in progress, so you go and kick some templar asses.

You then find out that the Beast was created by Sin to trap or weaken the gods, and by killing it, you've unleashed all the gods that Sin had suppressed with the beast. One of those gods is the big bad, Kitava, who shows up and starts eating everyone and causing chaos and what have you.

Act 6 - 9 are pretty light on plot, as far as I recall. Sin then has you go collect a bunch of shinies and god souls and you revive his brother Innocence in act 10 so they can team up and defeat Kitava.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Captainicus posted:

Then you head to highgate, and find the emperor Malachai, who made Dialla into the gemling, is alive and fused with the Beast, source of all virtue gems, on top the mountain. Dialla then helps you stop another world ending threat. From there, you return to Oriath via portal to get revenge on the rest of the templars or to chill out and retire, but find a riot in progress, so you go and kick some templar asses.

My understanding was that Malachai was not the emperor, but rather essentially the high court mage. Roughly 300 years before the events of the game, the empire was effectively a magocracy which supposedly did terrible things in the name of advancing the usage of virtue gems, which is why everyone hated them. A dude named Voll led the "Purity Rebellion" to wipe out the empire, aided by a peasant revolt and also an invasion by the indigenous-analog people whose names escape me at the moment. He succeeded but was a gently caress up and believed Malachai when Malachai told him that Malachai could eliminate all virtue gems forever. It was instead a ploy to gain access to the Beast, which Malachai used to cause a cataclysm that wiped out Wraeclast.

Oriath seems to be some kind of off-shoot of Wraeclast and I can only presume the templars are descendants of the Purity Rebellion people, but they have been up to naughty business with the virtue gems themselves and are of course douchey hypocrites and slavers.

This is, at least, what I understand the backstory to be.

Oh and there's some business with the first emperor being a crazy person who built a giant magical labyrinth full of traps to decide who would be emperor but I thought that was kind of silly so. :shrug:

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013



Lightning Knight posted:

My understanding was that Malachai was not the emperor, but rather essentially the high court mage. Roughly 300 years before the events of the game, the empire was effectively a magocracy which supposedly did terrible things in the name of advancing the usage of virtue gems, which is why everyone hated them. A dude named Voll led the "Purity Rebellion" to wipe out the empire, aided by a peasant revolt and also an invasion by the indigenous-analog people whose names escape me at the moment. He succeeded but was a gently caress up and believed Malachai when Malachai told him that Malachai could eliminate all virtue gems forever. It was instead a ploy to gain access to the Beast, which Malachai used to cause a cataclysm that wiped out Wraeclast.

Oriath seems to be some kind of off-shoot of Wraeclast and I can only presume the templars are descendants of the Purity Rebellion people, but they have been up to naughty business with the virtue gems themselves and are of course douchey hypocrites and slavers.

This is, at least, what I understand the backstory to be.

Oh and there's some business with the first emperor being a crazy person who built a giant magical labyrinth full of traps to decide who would be emperor but I thought that was kind of silly so. :shrug:

Ah, gotcha. I was just going vaguely from memory, I didn't recall about emperor vs biggest wizard.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Captainicus posted:

Ah, gotcha. I was just going vaguely from memory, I didn't recall about emperor vs biggest wizard.

The only reason I remember this is because I believe the emperor was a different guy who won the dumb labyrinth challenge and Malachai was essentially one of his toadies that dreamed of greater power.

Path of Exile is very fascinating to me because it's one half fantastical ancient Roman history transitioning into early medieval Europe and one half Australia and it makes for a bizarre aesthetic combination.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

I got this guys. Witch doctor is surprised by their being a spider queen. Later on we find out the emperor is Belial.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Oriath was a colony of the Eternal Empire that survived the cataclysm. Now they're pretty much the only known existing civilization in the world other than the Karui.

Lightning Knight posted:

Path of Exile is very fascinating to me because it's one half fantastical ancient Roman history transitioning into early medieval Europe and one half Australia and it makes for a bizarre aesthetic combination.

Don't forget the fantasy Aztecs too!

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


do the league boss monsters like Abaxoth and Chayula and Aul figure into the main plot at all or are they just their own thing

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Fister Roboto posted:

Oriath was a colony of the Eternal Empire that survived the cataclysm. Now they're pretty much the only known existing civilization in the world other than the Karui.


Don't forget the fantasy Aztecs too!

It's kind of funny, Oriath is almost coded like an inverse Pompeii.

Also oh poo poo is that what the Vaal are supposed to be? Whaaaaaat? :psyduck:

Path of Exile's setting is weird.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Lightning Knight posted:

Path of Exile is very fascinating to me because it's one half fantastical ancient Roman history transitioning into early medieval Europe and one half Australia and it makes for a bizarre aesthetic combination.
It's New Zealand :colbert:



Also, Izaro wasn't the first emperor - he was just the last of his dynasty and had no heirs so he invented the labyrinth to determine a worthy successor. Which was promptly undone by Chitus bribing everyone he could to rig the labyrinth in his favour.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Lightning Knight posted:

It's kind of funny, Oriath is almost coded like an inverse Pompeii.

Also oh poo poo is that what the Vaal are supposed to be? Whaaaaaat? :psyduck:

Path of Exile's setting is weird.

Guess you weren't around for the last league but yeah.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Okay, so major spoilers, I'll start with a joke that the PoE team made recently, in their halloween board. "Explain consensus reality to Dominus".

Without delving too much into philosophy, the biggest TLDR of Path of Exile's universe is that Path of Exile accepts the concept of Tulpa, in that there are literal physical manifestations of Eggregores, and Thoughtforms. If you believe it, then it is true, so faith can manifest itself physically. It's not very common in western games but it's the same basis behind One-Punch Man ("I ate so much crab that I became a crab man"), FFXIV (faith turns a bunch of crystal into Primals, or even yourself), FFX (you are a dream dreamed by a group literally called the fayth, and you manifest into the real world), or closer to the tone of PoE and probably the biggest inspiration: Berserk (God explains himself as being there not as the origin of humans, but because humans need an explanation for all the horrors that are caused. Eventually he leads his vessel into breaking the line between reality and dreams, and by now you must see how this is very similar to PoE). Also note how Dominus is very similar in character, power and design to the priest Mozgus.

The second point of Path of Exile's story is that, as a consequence of dreams and reality being interchangeable, the world therein is based on people studying the fact that the way we play the game is canon. There are procedurally infinite worlds that can be created and explored, and this is the entire point of Zana. The characters understand that they're in a universe where everything is possible and try to study a way to control that. In more than a way, it's similar to the novel Permutation City, wherein the concept of infinite universes is so strong that people found out they were able to live on a simulated universe even after that universe had been unplugged, because as long as their simulated universe was a mathematical possibility, then it had no reason not to exist to its observers.

So, understanding that, we can take the first lines of the wiki:

quote:

Before the Beast, the common people could ascend, and reach the immortality through the adoration of their people.[1]

And sum up the story as:
People in the past became Gods based on their adoration and their obsessions. Because of how dangerous this is since the Gods were pretty much horrible monstrosities (do you really like to eat fish? You're now a blind giant god who's insatiable for all eternity!) since very rarely obsessions come from a positive behavior, Sin, one of the Gods in the island of Oriath, decided to create something that would suppress the power of gods and prevent them from ascending or existing. Including him. He's against this whole Gods thing. Also his brother Innocence is a colossal rear end in a top hat and people worship his brother and hate him.

So Sin created the Beast, which is basically an enormous entity with the sole purpose of absorbing all dreams into itself. So now, dreams, the font of power from Gods is being absorbed into a single blobby mass hidden deep into a mountain in faraway continent, and the Gods go dormant. Again, from the wiki:

quote:

Piety described the Beast as "the one power in this world that transforms 'what is real' into 'what is imagined'"

Virtue Gems are the byproduct of Beast's power. Because all that energy needs to go somewhere, the "dream" is secreted in the form of Gems that allow you to alter reality and use magic. So yeah your magic is basically the Beast's wastes. They're similar to Materia in FFVII (the crystalized knowledge of other consciences). This is why the exterior of the Beast is crystallized. Once people found about them, they started mining them. Since the Beast is controlling everything, people start doing crazy experiments and imbuing themselves with the virtue gems to try to gain even more control over the power of dreams. This goes horribly wrong and it turns out that playing with the Beast can corrupt reality severely. If the Beast is the system that keeps the Dreams in check and contained, messing up with it is like shaking your video game cartridges.

In the past, a dude named Malachai started experimenting with that and imbuing gems into people, and he was very good at that. He realized that through the power of dreams (or, to him, nightmares), once you tapped into the Beast you could do anything, including be immortal. Dialla was Malachai's perfected hybrid of person and virtue gem and as such she had enormous power at the cost of some of her sanity. At some point people realized that this whole thing was really hosed up, rebelled, and went "Yo malachai this is some seriously dark poo poo we should kill the beast" and he's like "okay sure here I made this big-rear end cannon and it can kill the beast but the only way we can stop it is by sacrificing a summoner gemling" and boy, Dialla bailed out of being sacrificed big time, no way she grinded the sphere grid that hard only to die at the end.

Without Dialla the cannon just made a small hole in the Beast, Malachai was like "oh okay I guess I'll be the brave guy and enter the Beast and kill it, farewell friends I die a hero today" except he entered the Beast and it was basically Emperor Joker or Kefka finding the three statues he was a psycho in dreamland, both literally and metaphorically. The first thing he did was say "hahah! bye suckers" and kill everyone in Wraeclast because like I said they were all "yo this is some bad bad mojo". Through his dreams he resurrected his friends/pets/allies/crazy scientist friends and over the next centuries he stood in the Beast learning how to control it.

In comes Piety, who's a low-wealth citizen in the island of Oriath, who somehow finds out about thaumaturgy and becomes a prostitute to fund her very expensive researches. She's condemned to die for her sins, but presumably she shares everything she knows about thaumaturgy to Dominus and is instead pardoned and sent to Wraeclast because she's the only specialist in this kind of stuff. She realizes what virtue gems are about and she needs experiments to test on like Malachai did. Thus, right after she's sent to Wraeclast, "being exiled" becomes a thing in Oriath and every crime is now sentenced with exile instead of death. Piety starts rounding up everyone by the hundreds/thousands in her temple to imbue them with virtue gems (like the NPC Grigor) but she sucks hard at it. You go and defeat her and put a stop to it. However, the corruption is still spreading.

So Dialla decides to rise up to the task, she notices you're the only one who can do something about it, and now that Piety is dead and no more gem-imbued folks are being made she sighs and goes "fine I'll do it life sucks anyway" and gives her power to the big-rear end cannon that blows a hole in the beast. You go in, kill Malachai (who really believes in what he's doing. He asks you why you're so in love with death because in his mind he'll just make you immortal forever through the power of his dreams why would you not like that), and between you using the cannon successfully, killing Malachai, and wrecking havoc inside the Beast, the Beast's power subdues, every God reawakens extremely pissed off, except for Sin, the dude who created the Beast and is like, super chill bro. Sin takes that opportunity to:

1) Not mess with you because he's not an idiot. You just hosed up the Beast so he takes you really fucken seriously instead of being gratuitously mad.
2) Not double-cross you at the end despite the fact he really looks like a villain.
3) Using you to kill every other God in a mutual-benefit agreement - his power is to steal the virtues of others (that's why he was able to create the Beast in the first place), so you murder the Gods, and he gives some of their power to you.
4) Clean up the mess that was made once he realized his plan was not that good and once humans found out about the Beast they started using it to gently caress up with reality.

So you two buddy up and go on a rampage killing everything supernatural, returning the world to how it was before. Everyone is happy except for the people in Highgate who now have to live in a sea of monster blood, or the people in Oriath who just saw everything get blown the gently caress up and have no idea why or anyone really, because everything is horrible in the world of Path of Exile.

Elentor fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Nov 6, 2018

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Epilogue:
Some chick named Zana comes up saying "I think something is wrong with our world" and you're like:

"Of course it is haven't you paid attention to any of the crazy poo poo that just happened?"

And she's like

"No, I mean, forget that, there's really something wrong out there."

And if that is her news after all of the aforementioned stuff, you know things got done hosed up.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

That reminds me of one of my favorite dialogue options in FF14, equally applicable to this game's murderhobo protagonist:

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing
I've read all of these posts and what's on the wiki. This game is about as batshit crazy as 2000AD comics snorting coke off of WH40K's tits.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
I really did enjoy the way act 6-10 was a hard mode of act 1-5.

The lil stories are fun dream like tragedies. Nessa from Act 1 walks the path of Merville. She is transformed into a mermaid and hoodwinks you into RSVPing to her royal wedding. Greust unites the bandit clans to spend the rest of eternity fighting in his arena. The chick you save in Act 3 goes full necromancer to resurrect her lover. The guy who converts divination cards into items in Act 4 got real salty that I gave the matriarch chinamazon leader stick to the current matriarch in charge after his sister died. All your favorite megaman bosses from Act 5 get peppered back into the plot to shoehorn motivation for visiting older locations.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Also as a final note, your character in PoE is the only one who gets to have the cake and eat it - instead of imbuing yourself with the power of the virtue gems and going mutated or crazy, or becoming a God and going mutated and crazy, you get all the actual benefits from the gemlings by virtue of Sin gifting them to you. Granted, it's pretty obvious that he's very carefully controlling what you get, but by the end of the game you're a demigod, possibly the only one in existence, and the only divine entity outside of Sin and Innocence.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

Elentor posted:


And sum up the story as:
People in the past became Gods based on their adoration and their obsessions. Because of how dangerous this is since the Gods were pretty much horrible monstrosities (are you a crazy psychotic cannibal? You're now a blind giant god who's insatiable for all eternity!)

to be fair kitava's not an insatiable blind god because of the whole turning into a god thing, he's blind because he ate all the fish at the wild god party while everyone was getting ready, and then ate more fish when tukohama and friends took him out and used him as bait to try and catch a new dinner, and so they (tukohama) carved the giant x on his face and dumped him in karui hell with hinekora because they were just pissed about their party not being the wild fun time they wanted. Kitava's not even really the bad guy in all of this compared to the rest of the assholes.

Hell, even his whole religion is basically "eat the rich!*"





*and then eat everyone else too, kitava 2020

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

KirbyKhan posted:

I really did enjoy the way act 6-10 was a hard mode of act 1-5.

The lil stories are fun dream like tragedies. Nessa from Act 1 walks the path of Merville. She is transformed into a mermaid and hoodwinks you into RSVPing to her royal wedding. Greust unites the bandit clans to spend the rest of eternity fighting in his arena. The chick you save in Act 3 goes full necromancer to resurrect her lover. The guy who converts divination cards into items in Act 4 got real salty that I gave the matriarch chinamazon leader stick to the current matriarch in charge after his sister died. All your favorite megaman bosses from Act 5 get peppered back into the plot to shoehorn motivation for visiting older locations.

Nessa and Tarkleigh hook up, Nessa dies. Greust and Helena hook up, Greust dies. Clarissa and Tolman were already hooked up, so Tolman dies twice. I love this stupid game.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

boo_radley posted:

I've read all of these posts and what's on the wiki. This game is about as batshit crazy as 2000AD comics snorting coke off of WH40K's tits.

What if heavy metal album covers were just snapshots of another world... Man...

Tonight taught me that PoE actually has some pretty great dumb lore that fully supports the gameplay loop and aesthetic.

Kevos Setzer
Dec 1, 2004

I can transform, right?

KirbyKhan posted:

Tonight taught me that PoE actually has some pretty great dumb lore that fully supports the gameplay loop and aesthetic.

I learned that Malachi dreaming his friends back to life explains why we have to kill the Three Amigos three times to make sure they stay dead.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dr. Despair posted:

to be fair kitava's not an insatiable blind god because of the whole turning into a god thing, he's blind because he ate all the fish at the wild god party while everyone was getting ready, and then ate more fish when tukohama and friends took him out and used him as bait to try and catch a new dinner, and so they (tukohama) carved the giant x on his face and dumped him in karui hell with hinekora because they were just pissed about their party not being the wild fun time they wanted. Kitava's not even really the bad guy in all of this compared to the rest of the assholes.

Hell, even his whole religion is basically "eat the rich!*"





*and then eat everyone else too, kitava 2020

Somehow that is an even more absurd example so I fixed it, thanks.

Fister Roboto posted:

That reminds me of one of my favorite dialogue options in FF14, equally applicable to this game's murderhobo protagonist:



I love how the FFXIV protagonist reacts to things.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

QUERY PROCESSED. EXECUTE REPLY: FIST & PALM SALUTE

Grimoire
Jul 9, 2003
Act 1: Stranded, meet up with other stranded dudes and help them out blazing a path inland for resources and poo poo. Discover the lead scientist lady of the rear end in a top hat empire is up to something
Act 2: Ok done, wait the lead scientist lady of the rear end in a top hat empire is corralling folks in this place called Sarn to do murderscience, gonna get there by helping out this tribe
Act 3: Ok, here's Sarn. Gonna stop all this murderscience and get revenge on the dude who exiled me. Meet gem girl from a dead empire, she gives you hints at what the assholes were looking for
Act 4: poo poo, all that murder woke up the nightmare thing they were looking for, and it is pissed. Gotta climb this mountain and kill it.
Act 5: That nightmare thing was keeping the old gods asleep, gotta go home now and aid a slave revolt. Lets help them by killing the new rear end in a top hat emperor. Uh oh, he was possessed by the god of assholes, let's kill him. Uh oh, the god of assholes was the least bad god loving poo poo up. The god of munchies eats the city now and we get rescued by the god of rear end in a top hat's brother and pantheon satan figure, the god of learning poo poo the hard way. He is actually a bro.
Act 6-9: Back to Wraeclast for a training montage to get strong, we have a roadtrip with the god of learning poo poo the hard way and grab food along the way. He eats wizards, we eat pissy old gods. We get big and strong
Act 10: Training montage complete, we go back and murder the god of eating people. We also redeem the god of assholes, who had to learn poo poo the hard way
Epilogue: Yeah, that's great. you saved an empire, maybe even the world. kinda. But poo poo is wrong in like the multiverse, man, go explore. Oh no, Cthulhu is real and wants to warp reality, go stop him. Oh no, Cthulhu 2 is real and wants to shred reality in a way that is worse than Cthulhu 1. Cthulhu 1 & 2 are fighting each other and us. Go kill 'em all

Still sane, exile?

edit: oh yeah, ascendencies. There is a side story, in order to become emperor of sarn you have to get hit by a lot of traps and fight a robot/zombie/goddess hybrid like 12 times. No, seriously, 12. And he taunts you the entire time. Also you don't get to become emperor, you just get really good at blocking poo poo or flasks or summoning totems or something.

double edit: ok, leagues. Every 3 months (EXACTLY) wacky poo poo starts to happen. It started off with fighting AI murderhobos, then groups of em, then lootsplosions and prophecies and liches from underground and time travel and fluffy puppies and whatnot. Some of the wacky poo poo sticks around after 3 months, so over time you can be doing all the above at once. Currently we are all getting black lung wraeclast style exploring a haunted mine full of really good loot and everyone is happy and possibly going insane

Grimoire fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Nov 6, 2018

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?

Elentor posted:

I love how the FFXIV protagonist reacts to things.

Ditto because the character I ended up making really looked like a murderhobo. And I ended up primarily playing Bard too. So he was a very fancy murderhobo.

McFrugal
Oct 11, 2003

Elentor posted:

Also as a final note, your character in PoE is the only one who gets to have the cake and eat it - instead of imbuing yourself with the power of the virtue gems and going mutated or crazy, or becoming a God and going mutated and crazy, you get all the actual benefits from the gemlings by virtue of Sin gifting them to you. Granted, it's pretty obvious that he's very carefully controlling what you get, but by the end of the game you're a demigod, possibly the only one in existence, and the only divine entity outside of Sin and Innocence.

This is wrong. Your character isn't using thaumaturgy, nor are you a gemling. Gemlings are created by implanting gems into the body. All you're doing is socketing gems into equipment. ANYONE can do that; Vorici calls it "Geomancy" and specializes in messing with the sockets themselves.

Sin grants you a little bit of god power when you kill gods, which is also different from virtue gems and thaumaturgy, though of a similar source. He does outright tell you that he can only give you a little bit since giving you a lot would kill you.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

McFrugal posted:

This is wrong. Your character isn't using thaumaturgy, nor are you a gemling. Gemlings are created by implanting gems into the body. All you're doing is socketing gems into equipment. ANYONE can do that; Vorici calls it "Geomancy" and specializes in messing with the sockets themselves.

Sin grants you a little bit of god power when you kill gods, which is also different from virtue gems and thaumaturgy, though of a similar source. He does outright tell you that he can only give you a little bit since giving you a lot would kill you.

Uh, that's what I... meant? I'm saying that you're not imbuing yourself with the virtue gems like the gemlings, so you're not using the gems that come from the Beast in your body. You're also not a God and you don't have to deal with the poo poo they're dealing with. You're acquiring the virtues of the Gods (and Sin opens up the introduction of the Pantheon by saying something like I'm Sin, stealer of virtue) directly instead of imbuing the virtues in you through the virtue gems like they tried to do with the gemlings.

I never say you're a gemling or remotely implied it, I'm just saying that you get to have the cake and eat it too. You're the only person around being granted Godly powers by a God, and you didn't have to mess up with your body or a being of unspeakable horror to keep Gods in check to do that.

Elentor fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Nov 6, 2018

McFrugal
Oct 11, 2003

Elentor posted:

Uh, that's what I... meant? I'm saying that you're not imbuing yourself with the virtue gems like the gemlings, so you're not using the gems that come from the Beast in your body. You're also not a God and you don't have to deal with the poo poo they're dealing with. You're acquiring the virtues of the Gods (and Sin opens up the introduction of the Pantheon by saying something like I'm Sin, stealer of virtue) directly instead of imbuing the virtues in you through the virtue gems like they tried to do with the gemlings.

I never say you're a gemling or remotely implied it, I'm just saying that you get to have the cake and eat it too. You're the only person around being granted Godly powers by a God, and you didn't have to mess up with your body or a being of unspeakable horror to keep Gods in check to do that.

You said Sin was giving you gemling powers?

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Virtue Gems come from the Beast. Gemlings are fused with Gems to try to fully unlock their potential because the Beast is suppressing the power of faith/dreams. The study of that is called thaumaturgy. What you do by equipping gems in sockets is called geomancy. Sin, the dude who created the Beast, who calls himself Stealer of Virtue because that is what he does, takes the virtue of the Gods and give them to you directly. You get the raw power of the Gods in your own self without having to deal with the bizarre experiments of thaumaturgy to get a watered down version of that that is just based off of the beast who's suppressing the power of ascendancy in the world. That's all there is to it. What I mean is that you're bypassing the whole process of "Beast absorbs and suppresses Divine Powers and convert them into Virtue Gems, people put Virtue Gems in their body and poo poo goes wrong" and instead you just go to "You kill a God, Sin lets you drink its 'divine juices' and there is no middle-man other than him."

The entire point of Malachai's ambition is to achieve Godhood and so is the point of Gemlings. This is stated multiple times in game because they never shut up about godhood.

quote:

Malachai had slaves mining virtue gems and Thaumetic Sulphite[50]and a supply of test subjects from the emperor[51]. The results of this surgical process were known as Gemlings. Emperor Chitus said "These glorious gems have brought us within spitting distance of godhood"[52]
[52] As quoted by Clarissa

I literally start the sentence with "instead of imbuing yourself with virtue gems", I'm just being poetic about how in the end you ended up more powerful than the folks doing weird experiments, and absorbed the power of Gods.

Elentor fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Nov 6, 2018

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

Nessa and Tarkleigh hook up, Nessa dies. Greust and Helena hook up, Greust dies. Clarissa and Tolman were already hooked up, so Tolman dies twice. I love this stupid game.

Clarissa is about the only time where “don’t stick your dick in crazy” has ever applied and not been misogynistic goddamn she is so crazy

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

Arivia posted:

Clarissa is about the only time where “don’t stick your dick in crazy” has ever applied and not been misogynistic goddamn she is so crazy

Maligaro

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

The only dude so fine he made a mermaid ~T H I R S T Y~

(He was the one who Merville was waiting on right?)

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

No that was daresso, the guy who fights a lot because he likes fighting a lot

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

Maligaro's the dude who made his boyfriend into a scorpion monster.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Its fun to compare the beast branches. King kaom, the king of the karui, went on a tear through wraeclast and kicked the poo poo out of the empire, then murdered 500 of his own dudes after malachai corrupted him and turned into a sort of demon that the karui still worship as a brave hero. Daresso, the king of swords, is a guy who fought in an arena and accidentally gave merveil cursed jewelry so he hosed off once she turned into a monster

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Flavahbeast posted:

do the league boss monsters like Abaxoth and Chayula and Aul figure into the main plot at all or are they just their own thing

Pretty much their own thing. Some of them (Perandus, Rigwald) figure into the plot more than others (Abaxoth, Chayula).

e: Like, for example, the lore for the Abyss folk begins and ends with "There was a civilization before the God time and holy poo poo they are some intense motherfuckers".

Arrhythmia fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Nov 6, 2018

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Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
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KirbyKhan posted:



The teleporter zaps you to jail in Megacity1. Luckily, it is in full riot mode. So you murder cops until you murder the top cop in cop HQ. The god of police emerges from top cop's corpse and you kill him too. His brother, admin of DaShareZone, tells you who to murder from then on.


i love this :allears:

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