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UIUC has been seeing crazy long lines. http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2018-11-05/long-early-voting-line-illini-union-discussed-ui-senate-panel-meeting.html Guess what political party manages elections in that district.
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mastershakeman posted:Very few people in this thread are interested in local issues, see the rhetoric about Trump Trump Trump and how being in the same party as him makes you as much of a monster. Note that this doesn't apply to any other politician whatsoever (Lipinsk being anti gayi, Obama trying to cut social security+Medicare, Obama putting kids in camps and adults in freezer rooms where they were wrapped up in blankets to survive, bombing everyone nonstop etc) All of these examples except Lipinski are based on either total made up bullshit or gross exaggerations of the truth. The GOP up and down are monsters and are aligning themselves with monsters. There's a literal, actual, honest to god Illinois Nazi running for office on the Republican ticket you stupid goon. This is total nonsense.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:05
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brugroffil posted:Both Democrats and Republicans are trash.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:06
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You don't get to emptyquote this when you've already given the game away by posting moronic statements like: quote:Over generalizing Republicans is no better than Republicans over generalizing Liberals.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:08
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Jesus christ everyone, I get that 'both sides r bad', but this year one party has a literal Illinois Nazi running under their banner.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:10
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Hmm... One side believes I shouldn't exist. But both sides you say...? 
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Nov 6, 2018 15:10
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Source4Leko posted:Jesus christ everyone, I get that 'both sides r bad', but this year one party has a literal Illinois Nazi running under their banner. Yeah, but what if he has good ideas on how to fix the mess in Washington?
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Nov 6, 2018 15:11
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Lightning Knight posted:You don't get to emptyquote this when you've already given the game away by posting moronic statements like: Sorry about your brain worms.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:14
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fishing with the fam posted:Yeah, but what if he has good ideas on how to fix the mess in Washington? Gas chambers have been taboo for quite some time now, he'd probably be unable to get them implemented.
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withoutclass posted:Sorry about your brain worms. You are both very dumb and can't even come up with something unique to say other than catch phrases and platitudes.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:17
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I don't trust Democrats in this state to food the problems. I don't trust Republicans either, and they'll vote to make everything else worse. It's an easy choice It would be great if I had to choose between two candidates that were to my left and right, but I don't. Lipinski is the worst Dem in Congress and he's still less bad than every Republican
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Nov 6, 2018 15:22
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withoutclass posted:Sorry about your brain worms. I dunno why you empty quoted me, my point was that both sidesism is garbage for morons
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Nov 6, 2018 15:23
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Source4Leko posted:Jesus christ everyone, I get that 'both sides r bad', but this year one party has a literal Illinois Nazi running under their banner. He was the only one running and was "denounced by his party" - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/us/politics/arthur-jones-illinois.html When politicians try to put up this barrier between people instead of trying to reach across the aisle (and believe me, I know Republicans are far shittier at this typically), they increase polarization. Both sides have separated on the political spectrum and gotten further apart. Anger and hate sell well, and it's easy to give in to them, but I'd hope that we can do better than that before it comes to open riots and violence. twice burned ice posted:Weren't you just mewling about a financial crisis? You think cutting taxes is the way to deal with the budget problem? I think cutting expenses (which is a direct tax cut for property tax related expenses) and creating an environment where people want to come to the state to make businesses is the answer to the budget problem.
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Lightning Knight posted:You are both very dumb and can't even come up with something unique to say other than catch phrases and platitudes. You can't manage to come up with something to say other than "hu hu hu ur dumb". You could at least attempt to point out how saying it's cool and good to over generalize all Republicans as garbage while simultaneously claiming all Democrats are not is wrong. I typically vote Democrat, so it's not like I'm some abhorrent Republican you need to mock. If you can't conceptualize how generalizing groups of people is bad while simultaneously generalizing a group of people as good then I feel sorry for you.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:34
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withoutclass posted:You can't manage to come up with something to say other than "hu hu hu ur dumb". You could at least attempt to point out how saying it's cool and good to over generalize all Republicans as garbage while simultaneously claiming all Democrats are not is wrong. I typically vote Democrat, so it's not like I'm some abhorrent Republican you need to mock. If you can't conceptualize how generalizing groups of people is bad while simultaneously generalizing a group of people as good then I feel sorry for you. I did not defend the Democratic Party, the average Democrat is also bad. Most Democrats are bad, all Republicans are bad. It is not very complicated and it has been this way since Goldwater at minimum.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:35
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One of these parties literally thinks people like me and others like me (gay/nb) are unholy scum that aren't worthy of living because of their religious beliefs. The other does not. How is this hard?
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Nov 6, 2018 15:37
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CascadeBeta posted:One of these parties literally thinks people like me and others like me are unholy scum that aren't worthy of living because of their religious beliefs. The other does not. How is this hard? We need to find the moderate compromise position! Truly big brain thinkers know this is true.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:39
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CascadeBeta posted:One of these parties literally thinks people like me and others like me are unholy scum that aren't worthy of living because of their religious beliefs. The other does not. How is this hard? That is a generalization that is simply not correct. I am technically a registered Republican (so I can vote in their primaries), and I don't really give a poo poo how you identify sexually/racially/whatever, nor do I have any strong religious affiliations.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:39
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Welp, I voted for the evil billionaire fake edit: forgot to clarify, it was JB
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Nov 6, 2018 15:40
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baquerd posted:That is a generalization that is simply not correct. I am technically a registered Republican (so I can vote in their primaries), and I don't really give a poo poo how you identify sexually/racially/whatever, nor do I have any strong religious affiliations. You're not an elected politician running on the GOP ticket, so it isn't the same thing. Libertarians are okay with electing these monsters if they'll cut your taxes and gut government services. brugroffil fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Nov 6, 2018 |
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baquerd posted:That is a generalization that is simply not correct. I am technically a registered Republican (so I can vote in their primaries), and I don't really give a poo poo how you identify sexually/racially/whatever, nor do I have any strong religious affiliations. Do you self-identify as libertarian? That would be the least surprising thing I've heard in years.
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baquerd posted:That is a generalization that is simply not correct. I am technically a registered Republican (so I can vote in their primaries), and I don't really give a poo poo how you identify sexually/racially/whatever, nor do I have any strong religious affiliations. If you're throwing away my rights because of your greed you're just as bad as them. You're part of the problem.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:43
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brugroffil posted:You're not an elected politician running on the GOP ticket, so it isn't the same thing. I pointedly try to avoid voting for those with socially regressive views, but sometimes (almost always) I have to compromise my ideals in some way regardless of which candidate I vote for. Sometimes social views don't win out overall because the world is nuanced and not some simplistic black and white reality. Edit: Lightning Knight posted:Do you self-identify as libertarian? That would be the least surprising thing I've heard in years. I mean, most libertarians are probably not for strong social safety nets, but it's far from the worst thing I've been labeled by these forums.
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baquerd posted:That is a generalization that is simply not correct. I am technically a registered Republican (so I can vote in their primaries), and I don't really give a poo poo how you identify sexually/racially/whatever, nor do I have any strong religious affiliations. Do you live in this state? We don't register for parties to vote in the primaries here.
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baquerd posted:I pointedly try to avoid voting for those with socially regressive views, but sometimes (almost always) I have to compromise my ideals in some way regardless of which candidate I vote for. Sometimes social views don't win out overall because the world is nuanced and not some simplistic black and white reality. I of course admire your bravery in voting for tax cuts for businesses at the expense of minority civil rights, what a thought-provoking and boundary-pushing stance to take in America. ^ I eagerly await the response to this question.
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baquerd posted:I pointedly try to avoid voting for those with socially regressive views, but sometimes (almost always) I have to compromise my ideals in some way regardless of which candidate I vote for. Sometimes social views don't win out overall because the world is nuanced and not some simplistic black and white reality. Right, like I said, your personal greed overweighs human rights. Some of us don't make that same calculus. Weighing how much wealthier already wealthy people will be against a whole lot of suffering doesn't make you more enlightened.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Do you live in this state? We don't register for parties to vote in the primaries here. Yes I live in McHenry county as I have already said. Maybe "registered" wasn't the right word, but you can't vote in both side's primaries and so I vote in the Republican primaries. brugroffil posted:Right, like I said, your personal greed overweighs human rights. You're doing that black and white thing again. I make every voting decision based on the actual candidates, their positions, and their behaviors as a whole, not on knee-jerk responses to their party.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Do you live in this state? We don't register for parties to vote in the primaries here. How does that actually work if you flip between primary ballots every two years? Do you show up on both parties lists of who to contact or what?
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Nov 6, 2018 15:54
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baquerd posted:Yes I live in McHenry county as I have already said. Maybe "registered" wasn't the right word, but you can't vote in both side's primaries and so I vote in the Republican primaries. My right to exist is more important than your FYGM bullshit dude. Some issues in life are black and right. Human rights are one of those things.
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Nov 6, 2018 15:55
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CascadeBeta posted:My right to exist is more important than your FYGM bullshit dude. Some issues in life are black and right. Human rights are one of those things. I didn't realize you were pro life, sorry (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CascadeBeta posted:My right to exist is more important than your FYGM bullshit dude. Some issues in life are black and right. Human rights are one of those things. Do you really think that even a majority of Republicans think you oughtn't to exist at all? I'm somewhat curious about your group identification if so because I'm not aware of any groups Republicans want to genocide. Human rights are not black and white - for example, having the right to exist is a bit different than not being actively discriminated against, which is itself a bit different from not having legal protections to ensure you can't be discriminated against without recourse. Those potential protections are also themselves myriad and varied. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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baquerd posted:I pointedly try to avoid voting for those with socially regressive views, but sometimes (almost always) I have to compromise my ideals in some way regardless of which candidate I vote for. Sometimes social views don't win out overall because the world is nuanced and not some simplistic black and white reality. twice burned ice posted:You've got me all wrong! I hate genocide! I'm a national socialist because I support their economic reform plan! LMAO
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A lot of actual Nazis in actual 1930s Nazi Germany weren't vitriolically anti-Semitic. They didn't vote for the Nazis because the Nazis would kill Jews, they voted for other reasons. But they key thing that made them Nazis was that they just didn't care about Germany's Jews. Vitriolic anti-Semitism and the systematic expulsion of Jews from public life and eventually their extermination wasn't a dealbreaker as long as the parts of the Nazi platform that benefited ethnic Germans got enacted. So they rationally assessed the policies on offer and voted for Hitler. Similarly, rationally assessing the policies on offer and voting for the Republicans because you benefit from some parts of their platform and just don't care about their treatment of women, people of colour, and sexual minorities makes you a horrible person and probably someone who would have fallen in line behind Hitler in 1930s Germany. The Republicans Party of 2018 is full of actual monsters.
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Libertarians and conservatives are cheering on literal fascism in Brazil thanks to ~investment opportunities~ Yes, some times things are black and white! I wish I had to balance nuance on the ballot, but I don't because my choices are dumb moderates or garbage conservatives.
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vyelkin posted:A lot of actual Nazis in actual 1930s Nazi Germany weren't vitriolically anti-Semitic. They didn't vote for the Nazis because the Nazis would kill Jews, they voted for other reasons. But they key thing that made them Nazis was that they just didn't care about Germany's Jews. Vitriolic anti-Semitism and the systematic expulsion of Jews from public life and eventually their extermination wasn't a dealbreaker as long as the parts of the Nazi platform that benefited ethnic Germans got enacted. So they rationally assessed the policies on offer and voted for Hitler. Plenty of "oh we can just control him" and "it's just rhetoric, they're not actually serious" takes from ~moderates~ and conservatives both in Germany and globally in the 30's
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vyelkin posted:A lot of actual Nazis in actual 1930s Nazi Germany weren't vitriolically anti-Semitic. They didn't vote for the Nazis because the Nazis would kill Jews, they voted for other reasons. But they key thing that made them Nazis was that they just didn't care about Germany's Jews. Vitriolic anti-Semitism and the systematic expulsion of Jews from public life and eventually their extermination wasn't a dealbreaker as long as the parts of the Nazi platform that benefited ethnic Germans got enacted. So they rationally assessed the policies on offer and voted for Hitler.  This is very correct and a well written assessment of what is going on.
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vyelkin posted:A lot of actual Nazis in actual 1930s Nazi Germany weren't vitriolically anti-Semitic. They didn't vote for the Nazis because the Nazis would kill Jews, they voted for other reasons. But they key thing that made them Nazis was that they just didn't care about Germany's Jews. Vitriolic anti-Semitism and the systematic expulsion of Jews from public life and eventually their extermination wasn't a dealbreaker as long as the parts of the Nazi platform that benefited ethnic Germans got enacted. So they rationally assessed the policies on offer and voted for Hitler. Next time those two idiots post I'm going to just quote this at them. 👍
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Nov 6, 2018 16:34
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