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Rascar Capac posted:That piece on the El Faro didn’t mention this bit of the transcript: Gat drat. I hope against hope, should I ever find myself at the praecipe of death, that I might have the mental fortitude to utter some wry pop-culture bullshit.
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OSHA: rhut row. [spoken in a Scooby Doo voice.]
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Nov 6, 2018 17:13
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Encrypted posted:Yep. The real story is far sadder. From the resulting investigation, it was pretty clear that while the captain had the theoretical authority to divert around the storm safely, he'd previously been fired from a different company for not sailing into similar conditions, and thereby costing that company a bunch of money. And if he got fired from this one, he would in all likelihood never captain a ship again. That simple fact underlies everything he did, and didn't do, that day. He was clearly looking, in his communication with the company, for someone to recommend to him to divert, but he couldn't ask directly, because he theoretically had the authority to do it himself. If he asked, it would be the same as if he had just given the order, since the company had no theoretical power to countermand him. They could, and likely would, however, fire him if he diverted without being told. No one at the company understood in real time how serious the storm was, and no one there really cared to look too close, despite setting up a system that functionally stripped the captain of the ability to divert. It was hosed up and everyone in the management chain above the captain should be in jail.
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Nov 6, 2018 17:34
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OrthoTrot posted:He remembered pretty much nothing else other than Wilsdon's last words as the train tipped: 'loving hell'.
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Nov 6, 2018 17:43
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Azathoth posted:The real story is far sadder. 
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haveblue posted:OSHA: rhut row. [spoken in a Scooby Doo voice.] mods?
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Let's be honest, in the face of disaster we all hope we'd have the panache for our last words to be "rhuh roh", but I expect in reality we'd have to settle for "loving hell".
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Nov 6, 2018 21:24
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Nov 6, 2018 21:34
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Shoulda stayed behind the line
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Nov 6, 2018 21:42
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Spatial posted:Wonder what would happen if they drove over a cat's eye with that wheel A friend of mine had one get kicked up by a vehicle in the oncoming lane and caught it in her empty passenger seat: 
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Nov 6, 2018 21:51
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Azathoth posted:From the resulting investigation, it was pretty clear that while the captain had the theoretical authority to divert around the storm safely, he'd previously been fired from a different company for not sailing into similar conditions, and thereby costing that company a bunch of money. And if he got fired from this one, he would in all likelihood never captain a ship again. 
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Nov 6, 2018 21:51
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Azathoth posted:The real story is far sadder. That makes more sense. From reading it I was just confused why they didn't just say gently caress it and abandon the schedule.
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Nov 6, 2018 22:02
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https://www.osha.gov/ooc/1218-AC96CraneOperatorFinalRule.pdf Finally, on November 10th 2018, OSHA is making it mandatory for crane operators to be certified. The original standard was put into place in 2010 and supposed to have a 4-year phase-in period for operators getting certified. Here we are 8 years later!
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Nov 6, 2018 22:04
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and they were removing Gypsy Moth egg masses in 1896 
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Nov 6, 2018 23:44
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-06/investigators-visit-runaway-bhp-iron-ore-train-derailment-site/10469802 some choice footage of what used to be a train
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quite stretched out posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-06/investigators-visit-runaway-bhp-iron-ore-train-derailment-site/10469802  Well see there's your problem right there. The control center is suffering from an infestation of non-euclidean geometry.
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Nov 7, 2018 00:37
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quote:The fully-laden train, pulling 268 wagons of iron ore, was travelling from Newman to Port Hedland when the driver got out to inspect a wagon near Hester siding at 4:40am on Monday. 
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Nov 7, 2018 00:57
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If it was fully stopped, the first 5 minutes were spent going the first kilometer, leaving 45 minutes for the other 89.
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:William Langewiesche is by far my favorite longform journalist particularly because his aviation disaster reports are unrivaled. It's probably because he's quite a gifted writer who happened to have been a commercial pilot too That Columbia one, loving hell. "We didn't find the problem therefore there's no problem!"
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Nov 7, 2018 01:38
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Memento posted:That Columbia one, loving hell. "We didn't find the problem therefore there's no problem!" I read the Columbia one first, and it's a combination of  ,  , and  . Amazing and hosed up how this stuff happens and people's responses to it. And the institutional bullshit that leads to said responses.
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Memento posted:That Columbia one, loving hell. "We didn't find the problem therefore there's no problem!" They must work in IT.
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Nov 7, 2018 02:53
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I just read the EgyptAir one, and this tidbit from the Wikipedia page is pretty telling about the Egyptians' response.quote:[Islamist newspaper] Al Shaab also accused US officials of secretly recovering the [flight data recorder], reprogramming it, and throwing it back into the water to be publicly recovered Ya boy decided putting his plane into the water was preferable to getting gulag'd once he got home, like the dude who listened to the cockpit voice recording probably got.
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Nov 7, 2018 03:53
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https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/man-crushed-by-huge-trash-compactor-in-freak-accident-at-denver-apartment-complex “The weight-activated machine partially crushed Walsh’s head, torso and lower body, breaking both of his legs, fracturing his skull in two places and rupturing the arteries in his neck.” Amazingly alive and with no brain or spinal injuries. I can’t figure out how you rupture both carotids and live.
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Nov 7, 2018 06:58
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Very carefully.
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Rascar Capac posted:That piece on the El Faro didn’t mention this bit of the transcript: I can't remember if it was actually this, or if there was an actual transcript of a plane landing in bad weather and the pilot jokes "looks like I picked the wrong day to stop huffing glue". This transcript would have been in the 90s, so after airplane! But maybe I saw this El faro quote and made up some fake last words?
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Nov 7, 2018 07:27
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I remember that too, it was mentioned in some air accident investigation documentary.
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Nov 7, 2018 07:39
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Pretty sure it was a movie with Leslie Neilson in it. E:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v46plhmxXU4 No way in hell this would be real life unless it was a dying quote like the "rhu rho" Scooby Doo thing E2- that would be fucken awesome Automatic Retard fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Nov 7, 2018 07:47
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Username checks out
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KoRMaK posted:I can't remember if it was actually this, or if there was an actual transcript of a plane landing in bad weather and the pilot jokes "looks like I picked the wrong day to stop huffing glue". This transcript would have been in the 90s, so after airplane! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248 quote:The National Transportation Safety Board identified the psychological pressure to complete their assigned task as one of the factors contributing to the crew's decision to land at Midway despite unfavorable conditions. Cockpit voice-recorder transcripts indicate the pilots had been concerned about the weather and, prior to landing, jokingly alluded to the movie Airplane!, saying, "I picked a bad day to stop sniffin' glue."
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Facebook Aunt posted:
There are some really suspicous things about that accident that myself and some drivers notice. No deadmans switch, breaks on but still rolled. No SPAD (stopping past a danger) alerts. I know this is BHP and not QR/Aurizon/Pacific National - but BHP use the same control systems I used running coal trains. Humphreys fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Nov 7, 2018 08:53
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Similar to the El Faro incident (I remember reading about these at roughly the same time), there was another maritime accident where the transcript went something like this:quote:Cook: power's out so it's a cold dinner tonight boys Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Nov 7, 2018 10:33
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I think that's from the Edmund Fitzgerald.
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Memento posted:I think that's from the Edmund Fitzgerald. The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down Of the big lake they called 'gitche gumee' The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead When the skies of November turn gloomy With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed When the gales of November came early The ship was the pride of the American side Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most With a crew and good captain well seasoned Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms When they left fully loaded for Cleveland And later that night when the ship's bell rang Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'? The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound And a wave broke over the railing And every man knew, as the captain did too, T'was the witch of November come stealin' The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait When the gales of November came slashin' When afternoon came it was freezin' rain In the face of a hurricane west wind When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin' Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya At seven pm a main hatchway caved in, he said Fellas, it's been good t'know ya The captain wired in he had water comin' in And the good ship and crew was in peril And later that night when his lights went outta sight Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald Does any one know where the love of God goes When the waves turn the minutes to hours? The searches all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her They might have split up or they might have capsized They may have broke deep and took water And all that remains is the faces and the names Of the wives and the sons and the daughters Lake Huron rolls, superior sings In the rooms of her ice-water mansion Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams The islands and bays are for sportsmen And farther below Lake Ontario Takes in what Lake Erie can send her And the iron boats go as the mariners all know With the gales of November remembered In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed, In the maritime sailors' cathedral The church bell chimed till it rang twenty-nine times For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down Of the big lake they call 'gitche gumee' Superior, they said, never gives up her dead When the gales of November come early
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It's a bit late now, but a few driver friends and me an ex Network Controller are talking about what might have happened. The general feeling amonst the drivers and us ex controllers is there is some really really major safety violations - almost getting into conspiracy levels. I'm gonna go through my old manuals after work tomorrow for some solid yes/no stuff for thread as I have been out of the industry for many years and want to convey correct information.
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Nov 7, 2018 14:36
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Humphreys posted:It's a bit late now, but a few driver friends and me an ex Network Controller are talking about what might have happened. More content is always welcome, but context is nice, too. What are you talking about?
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Grundulum posted:More content is always welcome, but context is nice, too. What are you talking about? Runaway coal train in Australia.
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Nov 7, 2018 14:45
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Today's lesson of Be careful where you park in NJ: 
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Today's lesson of Be careful where you park in NJ: Looks like a brand new rig, was it still at a dealer?
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JB50 posted:Looks like a brand new rig, was it still at a dealer? also, did they roll in with a wrecker to lift that poo poo up? normal floor jack aint gonna do it, I don't think.
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JB50 posted:Looks like a brand new rig, was it still at a dealer? Two relatively new rentals left in our yard over the weekend. A lot of our company vehicles have RFID tags in the tires, so it's interesting that they knew to target the subs.
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