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I don't see why you couldn't amend away the senate. You just maybe need to strike the language that says you can't first. Or at least, not being able to do that would basically invalidate the current constitution which wasn't adopted according to the rules of the old one. There's also the core argument that government legitimacy is derived from popular support. That's a kind of laughable argument to make in 2018 though. That said, even *if* you got popular support for that, it's an academic question because you run into the same problems with the amendment process you do with anything else... soo... don't think there are very many legal venues to unfuck the senate and courts. Probably better off pushing for an increased size in the house. That can be done by statute, likely has cross-party appeal, and it'd unfuck the electoral college at least.
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Quorum posted:Probably! Congress has broad power to regulate elections (for federal offices, at least), and what you can regulate, you can investigate. yeah actual enforcement seems questionable but sunlight could be useful
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Rex-Goliath posted:Yeah this. Thank goodness Wisconsin finally pulled their poo poo together I like to think my Tony Evers yard sign was the difference. You're welcome.
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Drone posted:So can a Democratic House do anything meaningful to protect the Mueller investigation or is that something that only the Senate could do? That's one of the few things they can do
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friendly 2 da void posted:I feel like this would have been a way better take if Dave Brat, the actual real-life herald of the Tea Party, the Trumpist OG candidate who ran on Pure Trump Forever, hadn't lost his seat to an explicitly progressive anti-Trump candidate less than 24 hours ago. the house is an irrelevant sideshow without the senate it'll make some fun headlines and make some powerful people mildly uncomfortable before they use their money and influence to make it go away as always, which is really the best i can still hope for so whatever the right wing has cemented their institutional lock on the american government, successfully decoupling their continued influence from the will of the voters, and the only real consolation is that this country's going to die screaming within our lifetimes just like everywhere else
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Buffer posted:I don't see why you couldn't amend away the senate. You just maybe need to strike the language that says you can't first. Or at least, not being able to do that would basically invalidate the current constitution which wasn't adopted according to the rules of the old one. This is a hilarious pipe dream but I support it. gently caress the Senate.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:13
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Your Taint posted:We all know what hes gonna say. Absolutely. It’s just a way for him to get attention again.
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So last night my pizza delivery guy saw my Stacey Abrams yard sign and said that he likes her a lot but didn’t vote for her because the TV said she was going to take our guns away and I had to explain to him that governors cant unilaterally change a constitutional amendment and that was when I knew we were in trouble. 
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Nov 7, 2018 17:14
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Your Taint posted:I like to think my Tony Evers yard sign was the difference. You're welcome. 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:A 9 point win is a wave. You can’t spin that. It’s not though, 2006 was 10.6
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Nov 7, 2018 17:14
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Buffer posted:I don't see why you couldn't amend away the senate. You just maybe need to strike the language that says you can't first. Not being able to do that would basically invalidate the current constitution.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:14
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Oxxidation posted:the house is an irrelevant sideshow without the senate This is some sad brains/nothing matters right here.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:14
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The Democrats didn't do poo poo about literal war criminal George W Bush who is now cool and their friend. Anyone expecting anything better out of them for Trump is living in a fantasy land.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:15
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Quorum posted:Probably! Congress has broad power to regulate elections (for federal offices, at least), and what you can regulate, you can investigate. Thanks!
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Nov 7, 2018 17:15
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't think you can really draw conclusions from long-term incumbents holding on in red states. Red state voters are authoritarians and white, male, long term incumbents are Authority. I mean maybe there's a better reason in the data but I suspect that's the root of it. McCaskill and Heitkamp don't check all those boxes, just some of them. I disagree, because some incumbents held on and some didn't. Brown and McCaskill were both elected in 2006. Maybe it's a woman/man thing, but then why did Joe Donnelly lose - is the difference between a one term senator and a two term senator that big? I mean, maybe that's it, maybe not - but because Brown is a Good Senator yet he cruised to re-election in a red state while that red state elected a Republican governor, he's the most important successful candidate to learn from when it comes to how you win statewide races in red states I can think of. I would like to have a better idea why Manchin can do what he does as well, but Brown is much more useful because he's the sort of red state senator we want.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:16
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I needed this so much in my life. May Q from Star Trek teleport them in front of a borg cube.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:16
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I was driving through Vermont last night and had NPR on to listen to results. Their hot take was that all of the additional Democratic support in purple and red states means that voters are tracking right of center and that Democrats need to be more conservative. I was screaming at the radio after that.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:16
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eke out posted:yeah actual enforcement seems questionable but sunlight could be useful Incidentally, inquiries into voter suppression and elections malfeasance probably falls under the purview of either the House Judiciary Committee (Subcommittee on Constitution and Civil Justice), soon to be chaired by Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), or the House Oversight Committee, soon to be chaired by Elijah Cummings (D-MD). They could also spin up a Select Committee. They can spin up a Select Committee on absolutely anything. 
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Nov 7, 2018 17:16
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Oxxidation posted:the house is an irrelevant sideshow without the senate Yeah man, the House definitely didn't paralyze Obama's agenda from 2010 onwards, we were all just imagining it.
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evilweasel posted:I think looking at Brown and figuring out how he did what he did is the most important lesson of this election. Because not only did he cruise to re-election, it was never really in doubt. Yeah I think that the lesson that should be learned, especially for people in this thread, is that candidates in places like Ohio are gonna have some Blue Dog tendencies and should probably be tolerated. Tim Ryan gets poo poo in this thread every time his name pops up, but he is an absolutely perfect prototype for the kind of Democrat that wins in Ohio. I don't think he should be Speaker, or run for President (both of which he is thinking about), but drat.....he would've absolutely won the Governor's race last night if he ran. He and Sherrod Brown's politics are nearly identical these days.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:16
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Tibalt posted:An amendment to allow an amendment to abolish the Senate would probably be successfully challenged as "some goofy bullshit" but I don't think there's any case law that covers anything close. That was precisely how the current constitution was adopted soooo.....
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Nov 7, 2018 17:16
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Party Plane Jones posted:It’s not though, 2006 was 10.6 Waves come in many sizes.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:17
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Tibalt posted:An amendment to allow an amendment to abolish the Senate would probably be successfully challenged as "some goofy bullshit" but I don't think there's any case law that covers anything close. To clarify, I mean that the Roberts court would at least entertain the argument that changing the rules to abolish the Senate would be subject to the same requirements as doing it directly. But that's one hell of a hypothetical.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:17
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Mahoning posted:Yeah I think that the lesson that should be learned, especially for people in this thread, is that candidates in places like Ohio are gonna have some Blue Dog tendencies and should probably be tolerated. Tim Ryan gets poo poo in this thread every time his name pops up, but he is an absolutely perfect prototype for the kind of Democrat that wins in Ohio. I don't think he should be Speaker, or run for President (both of which he is thinking about), but drat.....he would've absolutely won the Governor's race last night if he ran. He and Sherrod Brown's politics are nearly identical these days. The thing is, Brown isn't a senator anyone thinks of when they think of Blue Dogs. Why'd he win, when the Senators who you do think of as Blue Dogs mostly lost?
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Nov 7, 2018 17:18
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pookel posted:What? Korean Americans have always leaned conservative, especially wealthy Korean Americans. the AAPI voter project seems to indicate otherwise. 
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Nov 7, 2018 17:18
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Soothing Vapors posted:if anyone needs a pick me up because you're bummed that your unrealistic expectations for last night didn't come true, Laura Loomer is losing her loving mind because she feels that Daddy Trump and Fox News both let her down by not broadcasting her insanity 24/7 and she's super depressed This fuels me.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:18
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Man, can you drowsy ducks be happy for five minutes (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The Democrats didn't do poo poo about literal war criminal George W Bush who is now cool and their friend. Meanwhile in reality Adam Schiff has been salivating at the opportunity to subpoena anyone he possibly can and refer them for indictment. And he’s about to have that power.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:18
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friendly 2 da void posted:“The rightward shift they pushed for was completed" -- a native american lesbian just smashed a republican incumbent in Kansas. She wasn't running to the right of him. She’s also ripped as hell. :no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60784625/SDavis.0.jpg) Looks like the antifa supersoldier serum has been perfected. Triskelli fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:It’s not though, 2006 was 10.6 also it's not 9 according to NYT 
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Party Plane Jones posted:It’s not though, 2006 was 10.6 2010 and 1994 were 7.1 or less, and those are the two republican "wave" elections in modern history
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Nov 7, 2018 17:19
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Harrow posted:Yeah man, the House definitely didn't paralyze Obama's agenda from 2010 onwards, we were all just imagining it. paralysis means nothing in this case because the country and the world naturally trends towards fascism anyway you would need the influence to actually create and implement policy in defiance of that trend, which is impossible without senate (let's be honest, also extremely unlikely with the senate because the democratic graybeards are all collaborators, but it's still a distinction)
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Nov 7, 2018 17:19
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TBH, Dems need to run on school funding in 2020, it's the kind of message that works great pretty much every where and encompasses a lot of popular progressive policies. That and UHC should be a winning message
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CuddleCryptid posted:Man, can you drowsy ducks be happy for five minutes Happiness is the enemy of progress, Comrade.
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Nov 7, 2018 17:19
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Is there a different thread for wallowing around and being sadbrains, or is it this one?
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Inglonias posted:Is there a different thread for wallowing around and being sadbrains, or is it this one?
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Nov 7, 2018 17:20
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Rinkles posted:also it's not 9 according to NYT ni.ce
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Nov 7, 2018 17:21
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Rinkles posted:also it's not 9 according to NYT It’s projected to go over 9 once the millions of CA votes come in I believe. It’s like how Trump was leading the popular vote for like an entire day after the election until CA finished counting.
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