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Mahoning posted:I don't think the bolded part is really true. On the other hand, it also appears conservative Dems also had a rough night. So I guess the results are basically inconclusive? And a lot of people are happy about Scott Walker leaving.
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Trumpism is stronger today than it was yesterday. And his chances of winning in 2020 are probably better too.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Lots of good proposals passed and some bad ones. Los Angeles and SF both passed huge ballot initiatives to help the homeless and low income families
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Tester has won, he is in the lead and can’t lose it based on remaining votes!
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Tester has won, he is in the lead and can’t lose it based on remaining votes! Yay Thanks for being the best of the blue dogs
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Squalid posted:Where did you get the 9 point win? I'm seeing popular vote margins of about 7.1 in favor of Democrats. Uh, the gerrymandering very clearly broke in the House, I don't know where you're getting that it didn't. Democrats won a second House seat in *South Carolina*.
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Nemo Somen posted:On the other hand, it also appears conservative Dems also had a rough night. So I guess the results are basically inconclusive? We've gotta pretend that progressives can't win and that's that. I loving hate centrists.
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mcmagic posted:Trumpism is stronger today than it was yesterday. And his chances of winning in 2020 are probably better too. Dems had a minimum +7 probably +9 popular vote and Trump won because he won 3 states by 30k votes total. Beto nearly won in Texas with a 15 point swing against Cruz. You don't know what you're talking about.
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WampaLord posted:Can you not tell me how I'm allowed to feel? You’re not allowed to generalize that doom and gloom to everything else at large.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Uh, the gerrymandering very clearly broke in the House, I don't know where you're getting that it didn't. KANSAS elected a lesbian native american ex-mma fighter progressive for christ's sake
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:It's a good idea. In college, I knew a lot of libertarian and right-wingers who wanted its repeal, due to their feeling of "losing representation" each census. 1) Repeal the Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929 and re-adjust how many house members there are. 2) Dissolve the electoral college in favor of popular vote. 3) Federal anti-gerrymandering laws with a neutral oversight comity. 4) Move the elections to a weekend. 5) Make election day a holiday. 6) Federal oversight comity to appropriate proper polling places nationwide, even for midterms. 7) Hire an actual American firm with several infosec groups to create a standardized voting machine used by all states. 8) A federal law that would create (again) a neutral oversight comity that would tally the votes in a standardized way. 9) National Voter ID and automatic registration when you hit 18. BONUS ROUND: Abolish the Senate because it's dumb as gently caress in 2018.
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The biggest, most important takeaway from last night has got to be how difficult it is going to be to fix the federal judiciary going forward. I don't really see how anything matters as much as that.
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Solkanar512 posted:You’re not allowed to generalize that doom and gloom to everything else at large. I'm not? I'm just telling the "Why is everyone not happy?" people a major reason why I am not happy Also stop trying to police people's emotions, it's really rude and hosed up.
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mcmagic posted:Trumpism is stronger today than it was yesterday. And his chances of winning in 2020 are probably better too. If by Trumpism you mean the functional definition of "extreme denial" then yes
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Nemo Somen posted:The Good: This severely understates what happened. No new law at all can be passed without the approval of the House. It is also where all spending and revenue legislation originates. The Democrats can 100% kill ANY proposed GOP legislation now.
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Tir McDohl posted:We've gotta pretend that progressives can't win and that's that. I loving hate centrists. Yeah, I think last night showed that progressives have solid appeal, but they were kind of scouting new ground. I don't think anyone is quite aware of what kind of progressive is needed to win states like Texas.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Tester has won, he is in the lead and can’t lose it based on remaining votes! How does Tester keep winning his Senate seat in loving Montana? What pact with Satan has that guy made? Is Montana more blue than I thought? I read somewhere they trend more towards liberterian than outright conservative. The hot take that Trumpism is stronger even though multiple states and rejected it and the House is dem is really loving stupid.
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WampaLord posted:Can you not tell me how I'm allowed to feel? Don't worry, the loss of florida will hurt everyone over the next few years. Between running up the score in the senate making 2020 much harder and gerrymandering the 3rd largest state for a decade, it's a nationwide disaster.
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Tir McDohl posted:We've gotta pretend that progressives can't win and that's that. I loving hate centrists. We don't have to pretend. We have results last night that show that it doesn't really win. At least not yet. Progressives won in some Safe D places (and rightfully so....there's no reason we should be running centrists in Safe D seats), but not a single progressive won a statewide race or a competitive race.
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evilweasel posted:those are reasons to challenge the results and/or say that they are illegitimate, but they are not reasons to assert that a runoff is happening. a runoff should happen. but that doesn't mean one is happening. Bummed that we don't get Congressman Beto, but hopefully he returns in some other capacity.
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If I had absolute power over elections I'd ban voting machines altogether, not just try and make a good one. There are no good ones.
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Fart Amplifier posted:The biggest, most important takeaway from last night has got to be how difficult it is going to be to fix the federal judiciary going forward. I don't really see how anything matters as much as that. The judiciary has been conservative as hell since the 70s, it's not a huge change from the status quo. But RBG needs to keep eating her kale
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mcmagic posted:Trumpism is stronger today than it was yesterday. And his chances of winning in 2020 are probably better too. 40% of black men in Florida were just enfranchised, and Michigan and Wisconsin flipped blue
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I'm sure I'd be feeling a little bit differently if I lived anywhere other than Florida but man last night was a gut punch. Not nearly the level of panic and despair I felt 2 years ago when Trump won, but it still doesn't feel good to have skeletor win another loving squeaker and one of the best Democratic candidates in Florida history go down to a Nazi. My big fear in the long-term is the Senate and how Democrats can get control of it but I'm hoping that will resolve itself...somehow. Like I honestly think it is going to take admitting PR, DC, and Guam as states, but also like breaking California up into 3 states. But that requires the holding the Senate, which is now 100% a must-win in 2020.
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pumpinglemma posted:If I had absolute power over elections I'd ban voting machines altogether, not just try and make a good one. There are no good ones. feature, not bug, etc etc. Even "fair and non hackable" voting machines serve two critical purposes: 1) Making it reasonable to mis-allocate resources in a way that you can't do with paper ballots to make sure white people can vote and everyone else stands in line for hours. 2) grift. Way more money at stake than a printing contract.
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WampaLord posted:I'm not? I'm just telling the "Why is everyone not happy?" people a major reason why I am not happy What’s rude and hosed up is you shouting down all the hard work that was done and the successful results of that hard work. You come in here and take a massive poo poo on all of that and it serves no purpose.
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sean10mm posted:This severely understates what happened. No new law at all can be passed without the approval of the House. It is also where all spending and revenue legislation originates. The Democrats can 100% kill ANY proposed GOP legislation now. It also means they control appropriations and budget, so the wall is 100% dead now.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:40% of black men in Florida were just enfranchised people keep saying this but they it's not really true, they didn't immediately get their vote back they need to pay the associated legal fees or whatever first, and even if they can afford it you can bet that the state's going to use the associated bureaucracy to stonewall as many of them as possible
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Solkanar512 posted:What’s rude and hosed up is you shouting down all the hard work that was done and the successful results of that hard work. You come in here and take a massive poo poo on all of that and it serves no purpose. Please quote me where I did anything of the sort, you are reading poo poo into my posts that simply is not there. You're being a real loving rear end in a top hat right now, you know that? It's not enough that I vote for Dems, now I have to be happy when the Dems lose my state?
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haveblue posted:It also means they control appropriations and budget, so the wall is 100% dead now. Not necessarily, since McConnell et al. are indicating that something is going to get passed in the lame duck
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I literally can't believe this guy is my new representative. He's more cartoony than the bigfoot porn guy https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/973026837742923777
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Looks like Tester is going to just barely hold on, he's up ~2,000 votes with 99% reporting. Probably goes to a recount with so slim a margin though: https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1060209847109586946 Any word on Arizona? Google and NBC both have the same vote numbers (Sinema down by about ~15,000) but AP says 99% are in, while NBC says only 75%.
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Oxxidation posted:people keep saying this but they it's not really true, they didn't immediately get their vote back is there a source on this, it's not in the text of the amendment itself.
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WampaLord posted:Please quote me where I did anything of the sort, you are reading poo poo into my posts that simply is not there. You’re right, all you did was get pissed off when folks like me were shouting those folks down.
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WampaLord posted:I'm not? I'm just telling the "Why is everyone not happy?" people a major reason why I am not happy that's not why you're sad quote:
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2018/11/07/i-know-why-youre-sad/?fbclid=IwAR2ZL_0DhrtEOiGXpU58YPqEUnOT75oPtdtmDM0pzI-7GQA9FAOZAdvEZa8
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haveblue posted:It also means they control appropriations and budget, so the wall is 100% dead now. ...yeah, i would not hang my hat on that one just yet. there are an awful lot of dems (in this thread even!) who are 100% willing to trade away the wall in exchange for an opportunity to kick the football at a later date, and feel like canny political operators for doing so.
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FilthyImp posted:Dude votesuppressed so hard he got flagged, right? That felt more like a "see? Even he got flagged, and he fixed it and got to vote. What's the problem?" type deal. Totally negating the fact that plenty of people probably found out they were purged after they were in line at the cut off time. So the option of going home and getting the right identification was not an option.
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Blitz7x posted:I literally can't believe this guy is my new representative. He's more cartoony than the bigfoot porn guy I know literally nothing about him, but that picture owns But he probably racist as gently caress 
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