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Mahoning posted:Dems won Iowa last night pretty comfortably if you add up the House votes. By around 49,000 votes over Republicans, and by around 10,000 votes if you give all the other parties' votes to the GOP. Iowa just had a couple of very good house candidates who had lame incumbent opponents. Our natural state is turning redder, as shown by the election of Lame Republican Grandma Kim Reynolds over Boring Rich Guy Fred Hubbell.
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"Do you regret putting out the ad that was deemed too racist by Fox news?" "I'm surprised you asked me that, but no" y i k e s
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Republicans increasing their advantage in the senate does make it harder for anyone to care about those "Senator Romney" stories that Maggie Haberman wanted to write. He's going to be a meaningless number in the majority without a lot of opportunities to pull a Jeff Flake on anything.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know no one here wants Biden to be the nominee for many very good reasons. But how would you feel about a Biden/Beto ticket? Has this video been shared here yet? I feel like this video should be shared here. It's a very good primer on why the sort of politics pursued by the Democrats (while they're being led by Pelosi, at least) is not going to work. An distressing large number of elected Democrats are totally unprepared psychologically for this fight, and sadly they're the only ones in any position to fight it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A
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Bicyclops posted:That movie has two former Governors in it. as does predator.
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Grouchio posted:How would a Bernie/Beto 2020 ticket sound? Could it work? Bernie would need a minority veep. Gillum or Abrams would be better picks.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know no one here wants Biden to be the nominee for many very good reasons. But how would you feel about a Biden/Beto ticket? Biden would be a really good nominee for exactly the same reasons Beto wouldn't, but I think the age of the electorate caring who the VP is died a while back e: but the best option is probably Klobuchar
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Grouchio posted:How would a Bernie/Beto 2020 ticket sound? Could it work? (Especially if Bernie dies in office and Beto takes over?) i like them both but i concur that two white dudes is not ideal can we at least get bernie-gillibrand (or my monkey's paw Bernie-Gabbard ticket)
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i'm starting to suspect that at least some of the people who say "i'd love it if i'm proven wrong' would, in fact, not Honestly I think a lot of doomsayers who'd "love to be proven wrong" aren't necessarily being insincere. I think many of them probably would love to be proven wrong. It's just that they (okay, maybe "we," I'm pretty negative more often than I should be) are catastrophizing and it's very hard to accept evidence that things aren't getting worse. For people like me who catastrophize constantly (and hate doing it), there's a strong instinct to doubt and try to poke holes in any evidence that maybe the catastrophe isn't actually a catastrophe. Of course some people are also trolls.
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Grouchio posted:How would a Bernie/Beto 2020 ticket sound? Could it work? (Especially if Bernie dies in office and Beto takes over?) Bernie will be 79 by the time 2020 rolls around. Even if they stuck a "young" guy like Beto with him his health will be a HUUUUUUGE hurdle just like it was for McCain the second time he ran.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, I can't see him even trying to turn a Senate loss into a presidential nomination, but I think he'd be an excellent VP pick. He's been awesome at supporting downticket candidates, organizing, and delivering a strong message, which are all things a good VP can do to have a big impact. Mostly I want someone who can help us win more local elections. Please don't abandon us again Democratic campaign people (narrator voice: they will)
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Has this video been shared here yet? I feel like this video should be shared here. It's a very good primer on why the sort of politics pursued by the Democrats (while they're being led by Pelosi, at least) is not going to work. An distressing large number of elected Democrats are totally unprepared psychologically for this fight, and sadly they're the only ones in any position to fight it. Yeah, this video is excellent and provides a really great explanation of why Democrats (on the whole) act like they do, and why it can never work.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Bernie would need a minority veep. Gillum or Abrams would be better picks. Gillibrand/Bernie or enjoy watching Trump snarling at you in 2023
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Framboise posted:I don't think Biden or Hillary would be a good option for President when they're already divisive enough as they are. Embrace the probability now that it's more likely than not with how awful the Democratic party is that the primary will prominently feature two nearly eighty year old men and Hillary. Or Warren who will easily be memed into submission with Pocahontas bullshit no matter how otherwise qualified and good she would be if elected. It will be worse than Kerry getting swift boated. Booker and Patrick are the only two people I can think of that wont instantly have horrid baggage working against them. Maybe Sherrod Brown.
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mcmagic posted:Democrats trying to win the presidency without Florida is going to not be easy for the foreseeable future. Now that felons can vote there, the outcome may be quite different.
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Beto showed the road of how to win in Texas and that, if nothing else, is a giant win that will help in the next decade
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i'm starting to suspect that at least some of the people who say "i'd love it if i'm proven wrong' would, in fact, not Man, I haven't been in this thread for over a year (it moves too fast to keep up), I'm not currently part of whatever factions and baggage it has. I'll try not to be as much of a drag as I was in that first post, though.
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Lol I didn't realize that Ryan Bundy (the dumb hick of hosed up face fame) ran for NV governor as an independent...he got a whopping 1.4% of the vote!
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Bicyclops posted:That's what's so frustrating is how close some of them were! Like, we almost, almost kicked out Ted loving Cruz! The Beto loss won’t keep me up at night because 4 points in an electorate as large as Texas is a mile wide. But Nelson losing by half a point is MADDENING. Having 47 or even 48 senators if Sinema pulls it out feels MUCH better going into 2020.
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gently caress you, Dean Heller, you utter turd of a person, you absolute waste of skin, you complete boil on the rear end of this state. Go away now forever.
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Sydin posted:It was an good night for Dems beyond the House. They flipped a healthy number of state legislatures and governorships, which is huge because it means they can start to un-gerrymander in more states. Pennsylvania is a model of what that will look like: after the courts threw out the awful Republican map and forced them to draw a more neutral one, Dems swept into power there this election. The state pickups are huge and arguably in many ways more important than the House gains, particularly in the Midwest. Florida also just laid the groundwork for 40% of their African American population to be re-enfranchised as well. Basically the states that gave Trump his narrow path to victory in 2016 are bucking the trend (except Ohio I guess, and gently caress them). Word, goonfriend. This is my takeaway as well; House went about as well as expected, Senate a little worse than hoped but not fatally so, things at the state level looking really good in a lot of places. Yes we could really have done with Gillum (Maybe recounts change things but I'm not holding my breath), and Beto would have been incredible, but we still had a good night that sets us up for a good 2020. I know we all want a titanic blowout but that's just not how things work most of the time, not when we have so much in the way of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering to overcome. That's no reason to act like yesterday was some kind of huge letdown or catastrophe for the Dems though; we did everything we needed to and a good deal more besides.
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Apraxin posted:Their super-majority in the senate was broken though, which means Wolf can at least veto any particularly egregious poo poo they come up with. This reminds me: Trifectas should be more broadly defined to include states where a party has a veto-proof legislative majority but not the governor. Massachussets is still an entirely Democratic-controlled state, even with Baker. North Carolina, before tonight, was an effective Republican trifecta because Republicans had a supermajority in both chambers, which they lost last night.
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evilweasel posted:this is neat It cannot be overstated how important Beto's close loss was last night. If anything, it creates a Democratic bench in Texas, which is going to be huge going forward as demographics continue to change. This is a huge reason why Ohio was such a shitshow last night. Years of gerrymandering and lovely leadership (as well as no particularly inspiring candidates on the ballot beyond Obama the last decade+) have left the Democratic bench of up-and-comers virtually non-existent. The Ohio Democratic party is essentially Sherrod Brown (65), Tim Ryan (45), Joyce Beatty (68), Marcy Kaptur (72), and Marcia Fudge (66). That's it.
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say no to bats posted:Embrace the probability now that it's more likely than not with how awful the Democratic party is that the primary will prominently feature two nearly eighty year old men and Hillary. Or Warren who will easily be memed into submission with Pocahontas bullshit no matter how otherwise qualified and good she would be if elected. It will be worse than Kerry getting swift boated. 1) anyone who uses the phrase 'memed into submission' is, at best, someone who shouldn't 2) gillibrand exists, so does duckworth even though she's a tier down imo, and i've been maintaining in the 2020 thread that we're still far enough out that making totally confident predictions about the 2020 presidential slate shows a lack of imagination
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luxury handset posted:it's still too early to call ga-gov, ga-06, or ga-07 This is funny because we don't have election-day paper receipts. A recount is just re-reading the counts in the machines and the mail-in ballots, which Kemp has probably been working on destroying up to this point.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:MAGA is losing their goddamn minds over this I guess killing unarmed protestors in Gaza had consequences. Who knew?
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Blitz7x posted:"Do you regret putting out the ad that was deemed too racist by Fox news?" You have to admire him for his honesty, he has said in the past that he never regrets anything he does. Please don't admire him.
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evilweasel posted:This reminds me: Trifectas should be more broadly defined to include states where a party has a veto-proof legislative majority but not the governor. Massachussets is still an entirely Democratic-controlled state, even with Baker. North Carolina, before tonight, was an effective Republican trifecta because Republicans had a supermajority in both chambers, which they lost last night. eh, then you get into the deciding vote being the worst state legislator/total idiot over and over again. it's bad enough with a lieberman, "the worst state rep" is usually indescribably useless
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Toobly posted:You have to admire him for his honesty, he has said in the past that he never regrets anything he does. corection: you do not, in any way, have to "hand it to him,"
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Ditocoaf posted:Man, I haven't been in this thread for over a year (it moves too fast to keep up), I'm not currently part of whatever factions and baggage it has. no worries then, i just tend to not get on well with doomsaying even when Team Good didn't just make a historic win and isn't vocally making plans to pass (doomed  ) good legislation in the house and make Donald Trump very sad and angry with committee investigations
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friendly 2 da void posted:I know everything is instant in the Twitter age but the election ended less than 12 hours ago. Oh I just meant in general. Good articles about the poo poo we knew happened in Georgia or the racial Gerrymander in NC or thebhuge number of polling place closures. I can look them up if need be, but I'm sure good have better ones in their back pocket.
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corn in the bible posted:I don't know about president Beto actually getting approved by anyone outside of Texas... but goddamn VP Beto would be incredible And that's just one example. The point is, the guy is really loving good at getting through to communities that don't automatically trust him. If he can do it for black women as a white guy in this day and age, he can do it for the broad coalition the Democrats need in 2020.
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