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Fart City posted:(Trump hangs up phone after firing Mueller) "Would you like to... obstruct some.... justice?"
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The Kingfish posted:if it has bipartisan support then, by definition, the other party wouldn't block it. Its what bipartisan literally actually means and it has nothing to do with what the chuds actually want. Listen. Republicans are not the only people allowed to engage in realpolitik.
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Nov 7, 2018 22:12
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skylined! posted:Explain why what you quoted is bad, in detail. Bipartisan things are things the GOP and Democrats would both pass. The GOP doesn't want to pass a single thing that it is good. They have no good ideas. We have nothing to learn from them. At no point is compromise with them possible without throwing minorities/women/the poor under the bus to do so. Compromise with the GOP is unacceptable "Wanting results" is code for making compromise. "Wanting peace" in this context, means wanting to get back to where the Democratic base felt comfortable in their political complacency. The founding fathers were all bastards.
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Jeff Flake OUT. Mitt IN. https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1060227592069042176
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The Kingfish posted:if it has bipartisan support then, by definition, the other party wouldn't block it. Its what bipartisan literally actually means and it has nothing to do with what the chuds actually want. wrong. for example, increased taxes on the wealthy has significant support among republican voters - but not republican elected officials. republican elected official policy and what republican voters want, on anything non-racist, is so dramatically different that republicans ran on literally lying about what their positions were. the primary (legislative) goal of the democratic house in 2018-2020 is to force votes on as much stuff that is broadly popular among the public but opposed by republican elected officials, and use this to try to discourage republican voters and encourage democratic voters, and repeatedly talk about how republicans are rejecting bipartisan solutions that the american people agree with. this is not about compromising with republicans, this is about picking battles that are as favorable for democrats as possible. there will, separately, be a need to actually reach agreement with republicans in order to pass funding bills, and in that context "bipartisan" means that those are going to need to contain some democratic priorities. they won't get very much through that way - but neither will republicans.
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BigglesSWE posted:Clearly the signal would be “golden shower”. Oh man you're right. eke out posted:new thread title please This guy's right too.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:Listen. Republicans are not the only people allowed to engage in realpolitik. Its bad realpolitik.
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Trabisnikof posted:Do you honestly believe Republicans and Trump would allow any bills to get passed that will actually do good without demanding a worse evil in exchange? the last funding bill contained oodles of democratic spending priorities, actually, in exchange for an increase in our already bloated military budget that is a big waste of money but wasn't going to change anything of significance
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Nov 7, 2018 22:14
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It's not entirely impossible that we get some sort of infrastructure bill over the next two years (possibly part of the budget) I would be astonished by any other meaningful bills being passed, other than status-quo budgets
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selec posted:I think continuing to assume there’s no understanding or reasoning behind what the White House does is just wearing blinders. Trump's enduring legacy will be that entrenched bureaucratic institutions are extremely resistant to change (what happened to Trump's plan to reshape the entire federal government? to change federal bureaucracy?), and that he, as a chief executive, is likely the most ignorant and incompetent person to hold the office. He seems indifferent to most of his responsibilities, and, beyond a few areas in which he focuses (immigration, foreign trade, foreign policy in a very specific areas) is entirely uninterested in actually governing. The "successes" of the Republican party are a consequence of time, circumstance and place, and were helped by Trump fumblingly tapping into an upwelling of racism and xenophobia. As President there's been no evidence that he is an effective leader, is capable of executing a plan, or is even interesting in taking the advice of competent people around him. If you think of him as an actual functioning executive he has been a dismal failure.
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Kobayashi posted:“Bipartisanship” and “common ground” are anachronistic holdovers from the Obama era. The public loving LOVES hearing their politicians talking about that kind of reaching across the aisle decorum poo poo, no matter how disconnected from reality it is. "Why can't they work together to solve our problems?" It's fantastic rhetoric. The only problem is if you actually BELIEVE it, instead of just talking nice until Trump gives you a pretext to tell him to go gently caress off and die. Which is usually measured in minutes rather than days. My confidence that Pelosi gets that distinction is ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Ayup.. https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1060277482773864448 quote:Braun held on to 94 percent of the votes cast for the Republican senate candidate in 2012, a presidential election when turnout is typically higher than a midterm.
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eke out posted:new thread title please I'm struggling to process this.
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evilweasel posted:what things, precisely I feel like I don't need to provide an exhaustive list because it's all already in your brain, you've just blocked it.
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Nov 7, 2018 22:14
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i'm glad Katyal thinks this since there's better-than-even odds that he'll be the advocate before the supreme court when the VRA is challenged https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1060277105810964487 (could also be deepak gupta though)
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Apparently it's looking like all those tweets about Rosenstein also resigning are coming from a source called OANN. They're claiming it's expected to come in 48 hours. FWIW, they appear to be a right wing paid news network.
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Nov 7, 2018 22:15
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the other incredibly stupid "dems are bad!!!!!" post that unfortunately thanks to those posters being allowed out of their ghetto we're going to see is people shifting between believing that literally anything that comes out of democrats' mouths is sincere and means exactly what they said vs. its all a complete lie, believe none of it, as necessary for the argument with no rhyme or reason. these evil overlords who lie to democratic voters every chance they get, somehow also only tell the truth when talking to anyone else (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ague Proof posted:Jeff Flake OUT. Is his dog making GBS threads itself in fear on top of that car?
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Majorian posted:
"Prepared to seize power from them" means "prepared to win the loving primary". So are you planning on not supporting vanity campaigns and sticking to people who have a chance at actually winning the state primary in the future? Or are you going to keep saying that purity is the REAL victory?
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I do hope that, if the Dem leadership refuses to learn this lesson, left-Dems are prepared to seize power from them. Because that's going to be what it takes.
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brockan posted:Apparently it's looking like all those tweets about Rosenstein also resigning are coming from a source called OANN. They're claiming it's expected to come in 48 hours. i don't really see why he needs to resign now that he's no longer running the mueller probe. he's a loyal republican. maybe he just wants to, though
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brockan posted:Apparently it's looking like all those tweets about Rosenstein also resigning are coming from a source called OANN. They're claiming it's expected to come in 48 hours. Likely a case of the tail trying to wag the dog.
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eke out posted:new thread title please Well he's not all bad
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evilweasel posted:wrong. for example, increased taxes on the wealthy has significant support among republican voters - but not republican elected officials. republican elected official policy and what republican voters want, on anything non-racist, is so dramatically different that republicans ran on literally lying about what their positions were. Wrong. Because that isn't what bipartisan means. Parties don't pass things based on what voters want, they pass things based on what the party wants. If a supposed "bipartisan" solution fails on party lines then it isn't bipartisan. Nobody thinks the GOP will ever raise taxes on billionares. Nobody was surprised when they lowered taxes in 2017. They got no blow back from it. Its a loser, failure, waste of a strategy to try and wield this decades-old language about bipartisanship like it still carries political wieght in 2018.
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selec posted:I think continuing to assume there’s no understanding or reasoning behind what the White House does is just wearing blinders. Technically they control 2.5
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Ague Proof posted:Jeff Flake OUT. Mitt shifts into highly concerned gear.
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fishing with the fam posted:I'm struggling to process this. The music lazy well-off white people sit around, and get high listening to: the next generation? 
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Nonsense posted:Appointing Whitaker violates federal law but nothing will be done. Explain for a nonlawgoon please?
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In the spirit of "we need a break", have a video of my Angel back when she actually was feeling energetic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkFPp9ZNDw
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brockan posted:Apparently it's looking like all those tweets about Rosenstein also resigning are coming from a source called OANN. They're claiming it's expected to come in 48 hours. OANN is pretty much Laura Loomer and Jack Probosic iirc
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evilweasel posted:the other incredibly stupid "dems are bad!!!!!" post that unfortunately thanks to those posters being allowed out of their ghetto we're going to see is people shifting between believing that literally anything that comes out of democrats' mouths is sincere and means exactly what they said vs. its all a complete lie, believe none of it, as necessary for the argument with no rhyme or reason. these evil overlords who lie to democratic voters every chance they get, somehow also only tell the truth when talking to anyone else So are you saying that in these quotes, Pelosi is sincere or she’s lying to us? Or is she sincere sometimes and not others, but when you decide it’s for reasons and when people you don’t like decide it’s with no reason because you don’t like the reasons they give?
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I don’t see why talking about pelosi bad is a distraction when half of every analysis peice I see about the election on every online news rag you can to look at is about how Pelosi is already loving up. I’d bet that by this time next year we’ll be burning her in effigy along side trump.
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I think it is bad realpolitik and also don't believe its actually all about realpolitik. I think Pelosi and the entire upper echelon of the DNC would love to pass some actual bipartisan "tax incentives" and "common sense" deregulations.
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evilweasel posted:the other incredibly stupid "dems are bad!!!!!" post that unfortunately thanks to those posters being allowed out of their ghetto we're going to see is people shifting between believing that literally anything that comes out of democrats' mouths is sincere and means exactly what they said vs. its all a complete lie, believe none of it, as necessary for the argument with no rhyme or reason. these evil overlords who lie to democratic voters every chance they get, somehow also only tell the truth when talking to anyone else 
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evilweasel posted:the other incredibly stupid "dems are bad!!!!!" post that unfortunately thanks to those posters being allowed out of their ghetto we're going to see is people shifting between believing that literally anything that comes out of democrats' mouths is sincere and means exactly what they said vs. its all a complete lie, believe none of it, as necessary for the argument with no rhyme or reason. these evil overlords who lie to democratic voters every chance they get, somehow also only tell the truth when talking to anyone else 
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:"PAYGO is awesome and we're bringing it back" for a start. PAYGO will result in US infrastructure crumbling to “Mad Max would be better” levels and will kill education at all sorts of levels. Probably damage the military budgets as well if they want money for new poo poo. Chudlandia will be feeling the heat as their highways crumble and they don’t have dick loving squat in taxes to make up for the new lack of federal funding. It’d guarantee a depressed GOP voter turnout except for the most racist and dumb of Americans.
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TARDISman posted:Explain for a nonlawgoon please? it doesn't, that guy's wrong. or, if it does, it won't be clear until the supreme court rules on it
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