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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone know how many votes that Gillum is claiming to be down by now? Because I’m pretty sure they’re claiming it to be less than the official tally so far. https://twitter.com/WeedMubarak/status/1060243258524164096
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Koalas Massacre posted:Oh god semantics yeah it matters for other things Rosenstein does, none of which I particularly care about nor can remember offhand ninja edit: it also matters if the new guy buckles and recuses himself, lol
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Lightning Knight posted:You guys spend so much time posting about posting and complaining that [x discussion] is occurring instead of just not engaging with posters you don't wish to argue with. It's crazy! Why exactly were the threads combined again? The two threads had separate tones and communities and what exactly is supposed to be gained by forcing them together exactly? It's not like D&D has republican or conservative threads. So "light hearted chat about trump thread" and "angry at hilary clinton thread" are about the broadest political spectrum this forum has and both sets of posters are extremely annoyed by the other group and this thread is just going to be infinite complaining forever about that stuff. It's not like having two threads cost extra money or anything.
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Koalas Massacre posted:Oh god semantics yeah it's really not semantics to distinguish between firing and reassignment, especially given the likelihood that DOJ ethics regs require a recusal
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it matters for other things Rosenstein does, none of which I particularly care about nor can remember offhand Yeah that sounds about right
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Grouchio posted:Is this really good or really bad for Trump? I remember being told last year that Trump firing Mueller would absolutely backfire. That was last year. We are post midterms, so the worst thing Republicans will suffer is some longer commutes because of protests. They believe that a Mueller firing will subside in the 2 years between now and 2020.
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https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1060287413057024000?s=19 We're doomed. And yea I know Rod isnt gone but lol if you think the new AG chud is gonna recuse.
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slither.io was dope as gently caress, this Whitaker guy seems alright
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Neo Rasa posted:The guy he's picked is so brazenly only being picked to hurt the investigation that ideally he might actually need to recuse himself like Sessions did.
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I am going to post this again because it the people that want the old trump thread back started using it, things would improve immediately. Add this URL as a bookmark: code: With all the crazy going on today, and likely the rest of the week, it may help some of you that can't help yourselves.
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Lightning Knight posted:You guys spend so much time posting about posting and complaining that [x discussion] is occurring instead of just not engaging with posters you don't wish to argue with. It's crazy! If the thread becomes a Dems Bad version of the YOSPoS Bitcoin thread where people just white noise tired jokes at each other that's just boring.
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Soothing Vapors posted:slither.io was dope as gently caress, this Whitaker guy seems alright I'm glad a gamer-american is finally in a position of power after that one New England lady lost because of her WoW account.
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TARDISman posted:That was last year. We are post midterms, so the worst thing Republicans will suffer is some longer commutes because of protests. They believe that a Mueller firing will subside in the 2 years between now and 2020. They're probably not wrong
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eke out posted:it's really not semantics to distinguish between firing and reassignment, especially given the likelihood that DOJ ethics regs require a recusal In relation to what I was replying to it is. I was replying to a comment that mentioned him overseeing Mueller which is no longer doing aka gone Y'all just angry and trying to start poo poo for no reason because much like goons can't scroll past derails without crying into their teddies you can't take context either
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why exactly were the threads combined again? The two threads had separate tones and communities and what exactly is supposed to be gained by forcing them together exactly? It's not like D&D has republican or conservative threads. So "light hearted chat about trump thread" and "angry at hilary clinton thread" are about the broadest political spectrum this forum has and both sets of posters are extremely annoyed by the other group and this thread is just going to be infinite complaining forever about that stuff. It's not like having two threads cost extra money or anything. breaking down of echo chambers is the purpose
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pumpinglemma posted:What exactly is going to force this guy to recuse himself again? Is there an independent ethics board with some actual teeth? Because if the answer is "optics" or "the Senate", then colour me skeptical no matter how brazen it is. i think it's unlikely, yeah especially since this guy's a total fuckin' hack, not a career dojjer
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Majorian posted:Mmm yes, you've got a great handle on my strategy, Fulchrum. Well, considering that this current screeching bout of yours was brought on by the suggestion "Maybe you should try actually winning the primary", you clearly seem to hold losing the primary as a goal for some reason.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why exactly were the threads combined again? The two threads had separate tones and communities and what exactly is supposed to be gained by forcing them together exactly? It's not like D&D has republican or conservative threads. So "light hearted chat about trump thread" and "angry at hilary clinton thread" are about the broadest political spectrum this forum has and both sets of posters are extremely annoyed by the other group and this thread is just going to be infinite complaining forever about that stuff. It's not like having two threads cost extra money or anything. It's extremely important to some people that we know they don't like Democrats. One of those people became a mod and here we are.
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Munkeymon posted:If the thread becomes a Dems Bad version of the YOSPoS Bitcoin thread where people just white noise tired jokes at each other that's just boring. Something that would never happen in the old Trump thread. Unsurprising.
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cr0y posted:https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1060287413057024000?s=19 recusal isn't really optional, failure to do so when there's a formal, written opinion from career ethics staff greatly increases the chances you see federal charges obstruction eventually
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Condiv posted:breaking down of echo chambers is the purpose cacophony chambers are not necessarily an improvement
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i think it's unlikely, yeah The most amazing thing about this guy is that Trump managed to find him
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haveblue posted:cacophony chambers are not necessarily an improvement it is when your posting objective is not to share and discuss information, but to score points by winning internet fights you created
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eke out posted:recusal isn't really optional, failure to do so when there's a formal, written opinion from career ethics staff greatly increases the chances you see federal charges obstruction eventually Is there a formal written opinion? I'm guessing no. Is there likely to be?
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Hellblazer187 posted:It's extremely important to some people that we know they don't like Democrats. One of those people became a mod and here we are.  haveblue posted:cacophony chambers are not necessarily an improvement about the only problem i see is this thread moves really really fast
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Majorian posted:Brown and Baldwin kept their seats, while McCaskill and Donnelly didn't. Baldwin is not that useful as her state went blue, slightly, so she didn't need to win in a red state. Brown is interesting and I want to understand what set him apart from the other red state dems - but any honest appraisal of which red state dems won vs lost and what were the key factors needs to take into account Manchin and Tester as well. I would be interested in someone being able to explain how Brown did what he did, because he seems to be the model for a Good Red State Senator, but I don't know how he was able to do it. I don't think you can point to him and just be like "duh, leftists will win" because he's not that leftist and because you've got the obvious counterexample of Gillum (and figuring out wtf happened in Florida is another key issue). People are going to knee-jerk that the results validate what they already wanted the strategy to be. Doing that is a mistake: we just got a huge amount of data on what worked and what didn't. I think it's very obvious at this point that running against your own party doesn't really work very well. It is not clear to me that's a cause and not an effect - a lot of the worst Donnelly/McCaskill comments came very late in the race when I suspect they realized they were down and were trying to turn things around. I am happy to be wrong about the way forward because my overriding goal is a Democratic House/Senate/Presidency in 2020, and my differences of opinion on what should be done with that power with people - even the dumbest of people - in this thread pale in comparison to the differences of opinion I have between what the candidates those people prefer would do if elected vs. what republicans would do. Winning is the most important thing, and it's important to figure out what lessons we learned from last night about what works and what doesn't.
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Koalas Massacre posted:In relation to what I was replying to it is. I was replying to a comment that mentioned him overseeing Mueller which is no longer doing aka gone ?? i've literally only posted about dumb law poo poo for the last two hours, you must be thinking of someone else
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The only real hope here is Mueller amassed enough info and put in enough triggers that this new lackey can’t completely erase. God drat the Republicans for supporting this blatant power grab in perfect lockstep.
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Haha the Florida offshore oil drilling ban is such a sham. It only covers up to 9 miles from the coastline (which was already illegal anyways for all intents and purposes). The only drilling off Florida in the GOM in controlled federally through EPA region 4 out of Atlanta
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Fulchrum posted:Well, considering that this current screeching bout of yours was brought on by the suggestion "Maybe you should try actually winning the primary", you clearly seem to hold losing the primary as a goal for some reason. The "screeching" began when you objected to me saying that left-Dems should be prepared to take over the party from the Succ-Dems. It's always nice when you telegraph how shook you are, Fulchrum. 
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Condiv posted:
The bigger problem is that this thread is a good source of Trump discussion and now it's going to be a bad source of that because it will be impossible to filter
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I don't think that is enough to force a recusal unfortunately. there's multiple editorials, tv, and radio appearances you can pretty easily find being posted right now. the clovis thing is nothing in comparison to the extensive body of comments about mueller's probe
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eke out posted:?? Ok let me make it clear, in the spirit of the post I was replying to, he is gone from that role. And I was talking broadly of goons not you specifically. Which could also be taken from context from my previous posts!
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haveblue posted:cacophony chambers are not necessarily an improvement So, because people can't be trusted to discuss things civilly and try to understand one another's positions, it's better to purge all who disagree?
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Fart Amplifier posted:The bigger problem is that this thread is a good source of Trump discussion and now it's going to be a bad source of that because it will be impossible to filter Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I am going to post this again because it the people that want the old trump thread back started using it, things would improve immediately. This is not hard guys.
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eke out posted:there's multiple editorials, tv, and radio appearances you can pretty easily find being posted right now. the clovis thing is nothing in comparison to the extensive body of comments about mueller's probe the clovis thing could be a specific issue that requires recusal under existing precedents while public commenting on the investigation may not, even if it's obviously much less of a bias
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