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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
I would love to know why Kemp was only enjoined from overseeing the election a few days ago as opposed to, say, shortly after declaring his candidacy.

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Squalid posted:

This is really an unpleasant habit I don’t think anyone should indulge in. If you have a problem with what someone had said, you should quote them and be specific. Make these unprovable and broad statements about ill defined groups comes off as variably defensive, condescending, or straw-many.

If you can just point to exactly the person you mean you side step this issue completely.

KM's post was not particularly hard to understand and y'all don't need to fishmech about it lmao.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

corn in the bible posted:

we're mostly talking county judges here ie harris

County courts are 4 years

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

You're loving next Collins. Maine's coming for you.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Lightning Knight posted:

I think they need to get around the perception that Democrats are Outsider Others. Ojeda, for example, in WV, had the right kind of tone and authenticity but lost imo because his actual platform wasn't particularly impressive or radical. He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. Somebody with the platform of AOC but the demeanor of Ojeda would sweep WV.

This is a big issue with candidate recruitment, especially in red states, the party is so depleted that they're happy to run empty suits who can largely self-finance. So, the party just looks for the kind of boring people who are already rich, rather than picking for charisma. If Beto can teach us anything, its that charisma needs to be at the top of the list when recruiting candidates.

This is also part of why Beto will matter, he helped the Texas Democratic party build a bench of people with an office they can put next to their name.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Look at this useless piece of poo poo.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
How many Republican Senators in blue states are up for election in 2020?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Grouchio posted:

You're loving next Collins. Maine's coming for you.

I'm genuinely amazed that she still thinks she'll be governor someday.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Koalas Massacre posted:

Are you being loving obtuse because I absolutely quoted the posting was replying to when I posted that tweet.

I meant the habit of attributing stereotyped qualities and habits to large ill defined groups. It's not a pleasant rhetorical technique.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Lightning Knight posted:

I think they need to get around the perception that Democrats are Outsider Others. Ojeda, for example, in WV, had the right kind of tone and authenticity but lost imo because his actual platform wasn't particularly impressive or radical. He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. Somebody with the platform of AOC but the demeanor of Ojeda would sweep WV.

I'm coming up blank on a person, but essentially someone with rural roots, and strong progressive bonafides, and maybe some government experience?

My GOD, ITS BERNIES MUSIC

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

Lightning Knight posted:

Trucking especially is something I think the Dems need to really aggressively appeal to. Truck drivers are the backbone of the economy, the industry has moved aggressively to destroy labor organization and they benefited massively from deregulation. It's also on the verge of massive fuckery thanks to self-driving vehicles.

edit: I'm a tax evader



Start a string of direct air capture factories making carbon fiber, plastics, chemical feedstocks, etc. You bring manufacturing jobs back to disenfranchised areas because they can be built anywhere, you need drivers to move the finished projects, and solve climate change all at once. Bing bong so simple.

Facetious over-exaggeration aside, I DO actually think this is a good idea as DAC costs go down and we start making poo poo directly from atmospheric carbon. Also not dying from climate change, but for some reason that ranks low on people's list of priorities.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Majorian posted:

Where are you getting that from?

The fact that you're still this upset about the suggestion.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

haveblue posted:

I would love to know why Kemp was only enjoined from overseeing the election a few days ago as opposed to, say, shortly after declaring his candidacy.

Because the GOP in Georgia apparently are terrified of losing power and are going 100% full motherfucking corruption on us.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I'm coming up blank on a person, but essentially someone with rural roots, and strong progressive bonafides, and maybe some government experience?

My GOD, ITS BERNIES MUSIC


bernie would knock it out of the park

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.




"And we all know you're far too cowardly to demand we fire you."

Insurrectum
Nov 1, 2005


They are really afraid of whatever Mueller is going to drop Now that we are post election

SousaphoneColossus
Feb 16, 2004

There are a million reasons to ruin things.

Majorian posted:

I'm genuinely amazed that she still thinks she'll be governor someday.

i guarantee she's banking on another eliot cutler to split the democratic vote (see also paul lepage in 2010 and 2014)

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How many Republican Senators in blue states are up for election in 2020?

I posted a big write up in State and Local thread, I'll cross post it

The Glumslinger posted:

A guide to the 2020 Senate race



This the Senate class 2, which was last up for reelection in 2014, a small Republican wave year.
Lets go through every race and see whats going on with it. I don't know everyone super well, but I'm gonna do my best

Alabama
Incumbent: Doug Jones (D)
As we all remember, Doug Jones won an extremely close special election to replace Jeff Sessions. Doug is a centrist democrat who is pro-choice and pro-healthcare. He managed to win on the back of promising to reauthorize CHIP (which he did) and because his opponent was an insane pedophile. Barring a similar kind of own goal by Republicans, this seat will almost certainly go red. I wouldn't be shocked if Jeff Sessions tried to win this seat after he gets kicked to the curb by Trump.

Alaska
Incumbent: Dan Sullivan (R)
He won a fairly close race in 2014, beating previous incumbent Mark Begich by 2%. Seems like a tough seat to flip, but Alaska is weird.

Arkansas
Incumbent: Tom Cotton (R)
rear end in a top hat of the highest order and a Trump toadie. Absolutely murdered the previous incumbent Dem (Mark Pryor) by 17% in 2014. Expect him to cruise to victory unless he is an idiot who decided to leave a safe senate seat for a cabinet position.

Colorado
Incumbent: Cory Gardner (R)
Kinda middle of the road republican who seems like he does his best to never get talked about at all. Beat a Democratic incumbent (Mark Udall) by about 2% in 2014. Colorado has continued to shift blue since then and if Democrats have any chance at all to retake the Senate, this is a must win seat.

Delaware
Incumbent: Chris Coons (D)
Very moderate democratic from a blue state, but a very good gun control record. Won the special election 2010 to replace Biden, and has won by 17% and 14%. Expect a primary challenge from the left, but I expect he'll be in the Senate for as long as he wants.

Georgia
Incumbent: Dave Perdue (R)
From a big time politically connect family in Georgie, his brother is a former governor and current a cabinet member. Replaced Saxby Chambliss (R) after he retired in 2014, won the election by about 8%. Georgia is gonna be a voting rights hell hole under Kemp, but I wouldn't be shocked if Abrams tried to see if she can get over the hump in a presidential year. Could possibly flip, but not likely.

Idaho
Incumbent: Jim Risch (R)
Never heard of him, so he isn't a an rear end in a top hat on the front lines of the Trump offensive, but probably still sucks. Long time Idaho politician, starting as LT Governor in 03, followed by governor in 06. He replaced Larry Craid (R) in 08 after Craig got busted trying to solicit a male prostitute in a Minnesota airport bathroom. Abandon all hope ye who campaign here

Illinois
Incumbent: Dick Durbin (D)
Important Dem bigwig, #2 in the senate. Not super progressive, but he is ok. Voted against the Iraq war, major DREAM act backer. Been in the senate since 96, will be 75 by the time the 2020 election gets here. Its his seat to stroll into unless he decides to retire.

Iowa
Incumbent Joni Ernst (R)
Tea Party senator, you might remember her as the Hog Castration lady. After Tom Harkin (D) retired in 2014, she beat her challenger by 9%. This seat isn't as bad as it looks, 3/4 Iowa house seats went for Dems last night. They narrowly reelected a Republican governor last night, so it'll be tough. Iowa is gonna get a lot of attention from Dems due to the primary, so they might have a decent ground game to help put them over the edge if they can recruit someone good.

Kansas
Incumbent: Pat Roberts (R)
Major league rear end in a top hat. Been in the senate forever, going all the way back to 1996. However, don't write this seat off, Dems won an upset here last night and took a House seat and the governorship, plus a bunch of local level stuff. If they can help dig out Kansas from the hole Brownback put them in, it could be a good springboard for a Democratic challenger. Roberts is gonna be 84 by the time 2020 rolls around since he hasn't faced a real challenge in over a decade, so there is a chance he might retire which would help Dems even more. Gonna need to find an amazing recruit here though (Maybe Beto can move to Kansas :thunk:)

Kentucky
Incumbent: Mitch McConnell (R)
Yertle the Turtle himself, IMO, the biggest villain in modern American politics. Current majority leader of the Senate, has completely rewritten the rules of how the Senate should function and has been a major Trump enabler. gently caress this jackass

Louisiana
Incumbent: Bill Cassidy (R)
Tea Party jackass, got into a fight with Jimmy Kimmel over the ACA repeal. Unseated incumbent Mary Landrieu (D) in 2014 by 11%. Louisiana didn't have a Governor or Senate race yesterday, so I can't see how it would fare in a wave election. Outside chance of being winnable if the Dems can find someone charismatic, but don't count on it

Maine
Incumbent: Susan Collins (R)
Female Jeff Flake, spent most of her career positioning herself as a moderate Republican, but showed her true colors during the Tax Cut and Kav hearings. Rumored to be retiring, this is a seat Dems need to win to take back the Senate. Dems won the governorship by 12% last night. Dems will nominate an empty suit in 2020 who will win a race that will be way closer than it should be.

Massachusetts
Incumbent: Ed Markey (D)
Middle of the road Dem, good supporter of Net Neutrality. Will be 74 by the time 2020 gets here, but I don't think he is gonna retire. Might get a primary challenge from the left if the Boston area progressives can find a good candidate.

Michigan
Incumbent: Gary Peters (D)
I've literally never heard of him :geno:. He managed to win in Michigan during the 2014 wave, so he must be doing something right. Voted for ACA, Cap and Trade, and DREAM Act while in the House. Wikipedia says he support Occupy Wall Street and that Liz Warren campaigned for him in 2014. Seems like a decent bloke, hopefully Michigan can stay sane and reelect him.

Minnesota
Incumbent: Tina Smith (D)
Tina has been in the Senate for like a year, so not much to be able to say on a national record. Bigwig on the state level DFL. She replaced Al Franken after he resigned and won her special election last night by about 10%

Mississippi
Incumbent: ????? (?)
Currently undecided, there was special election for this seat last night that is going to a run-off. Will probably be won by incumbent Hyde-Smith (R).

Montana
Incumbent: Steve Daines (R)
Empty suit republican rear end in a top hat, CHUD, etc. Prevented Liz Warren from reading a letter during the Sessions confirmation hearings. Maybe Montana can magic up another Tester and beat this rear end in a top hat?

Nebraska
Incumbent: Ben Sasse (R)
Young Jeff Flake/John McCain, a very concerned person who always votes with the orthodoxy. Voted against the Opioid crisis bill, anti-LGBT. Rumored to be considering trying to primary Trump in 2020, but I doubt it. Won 2014 by 34%. Democrats have won in Nebraska before, but the state was very red last night.

New Hampshire
Incumbent: Jeanne Shaheen (D)
Long time Democratic mover and shaker, going back to Carter. Helped Al Gore in the primaries back in 2000. Probably will receive a decent challenge from the Left. Won her senate seat in 2008 by 7% in 08 and 3% back in 14.

New Jersey
Incumbent: Cory Booker (D)
Eloquent black guy from New Jersey, good on social issues, bad on economic ones. Too close to banks and charter schools, wrote a very good federal weed legalization bill and signed onto the same M4A bill that a lot of democratic frontrunners have embraced. Will be a major player in the 2020 presidential primaries. If he loses the bid (and doesn't get VP), expect him to win easily.

New Mexico
Incumbent: Tom Udall (D)
Member of the important Udall Family. Voted for DADT repeal, DREAM act, and all of the other standard democratic stuff. Was early critic of NSA spying, even before Snowden. Might see a primary challenge, but I doubt it will have much of a chance. Won by 25% in 08 and 11% in 14.

North Carolina
Incumbent: Thom Tillis (R)
Decent dude for a Republican, was an influential Republican trying to get the Senate to pass the DREAM Act after Trump torpedoed DACA and is decent on LGBT rights. Backed a bill to protect Mueller. On the other hand, climate change denier and voted for the ACA repeal. I think he is basically a Blue Dog Republican. Won a very tight race in 2014 against incumbent Kay Hagan (D). Winnable in a wave year (Like we did in 08), NC might be the next Virginia.

Oklahoma
Incumbent: Jim Inhofe (R)
Old rear end proto-CHUD. Been the Senator from Oklahoma since 1994, and has been an awful person every day. Supports a constitutional amendment to stop gay marriage, actively fights climate change research, nearly killed himself and a bunch of airport workers when he nearly crashed his Cesna into a truck when he landed on a closed runway - He was 75 at the time. He then tried to punish the FAA for the whole incident. He is gonna be 85 by the time 2020 gets here, so don't be shocked if he gets replaced by a newer, younger CHUD.

Oregon
Incumbent: Jeff Merkley (D)
He seems like a cool dude and was the only Senator to endorse Bernie during the 2016 primary. Dark Horse 2020 presidential primary contestant, good track record but probably not enough name recognition. Maybe a solid VP pick for someone who wants a good progressive on the ticket. Root for him to get reelected, but he won't need much help. He won in 2014 by over 20%.

Rhode Island
Incumbent: Jack Reed (D)
I don't feel like he gets mentioned much, but he has been in the Senate since 96. Run of the mill democrat, good on a lot of positions, nothing that will really blow you away. Likes being in the Senate and supposedly turned down the VP gig when Obama sent out feelers. Will be 70 in 2020, so it'll probably be his last election.

South Carolina
Incumbent: Lindsey Graham (R)
A couple of years ago, I would have said he was another kinda reasonable Republican, but he has gone full on MEGA-CHUD over the last year or 2. I wouldn't be shocked if he took a major cabinet position, he has been playing super nice to Trump recently. AG maybe? Who knows? Hasn't faced a major challenge yet and probably wont in 2020.

South Dakota
Incumbent: Mike Rounds (R)
Former longtime SD governor, former Oil and Gas exec, very anti-choice, a bunch of scandals involving the selling of Visas while he was governor. Took over the seat when Tim Johnson (D) retired in 2014, won by 21% but there were a bunch of independents on the ballot who soaked up 20% of the vote. Could be a pickup spot with good recruiting

Tennessee
Incumbent: Lamar Alexander (R)
Big time rear end in a top hat, big player in the ACA repeal attempts. Will be 80 by the time 2020 gets here, so he might retire. Might be a winnable seat if the Dems can find a great recruit and Alexander retires, but don't get your hopes up.

Texas
Incumbent: John Cornyn (R)
Long time Texas good old boy, Ted Cruz without the negative charisma. Big time friend of Trump. I don't think there is anyone who could topple him in Texas. Gonna be stuck with this rear end in a top hat for another cycle or 2

Virginia
Incumbent: Mark Warner (D)
Moderate Democrat who has been very involved in the Trump Russia investigation. Voted to help weaken Dodd-Frank earlier this year. Expect him to see a big time primary from the left with all of the progressive momentum going on in Virginia. Virginia is a blue state now, so this will be a keeper, but there is an outside chance progressives manage to dethrone him.

West Virginia
Incumbent: Shelley Moore Capito (R)
Who gives a poo poo, its West Virginia. Even if a Dem does win here, they're gonna be another Manchin

Wyoming
Incumbent: Mike Enzi (R)
Very conservative back bencher, ACA repeal, more coal, privatizing social security and Medicare, huge Iraq war booster, supported constitutional amendments to ban flag burning and gay marriage. Just your typical rear end in a top hat republican who gets 70% of the vote every time he comes up for election.


So, 2 easy pickups, plus another 3-4 more if things go well

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I'm coming up blank on a person, but essentially someone with rural roots, and strong progressive bonafides, and maybe some government experience?

My GOD, ITS BERNIES MUSIC


*in Bernie's voice*

I AM A REAL AMERICAN
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN


Also it really sucks that Measure B failed in LA. What the hell?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Insurrectum posted:

They are really afraid of whatever Mueller is going to drop Now that we are post election

Trump was even more of a wreck than usual at his presser today. Might have to do with Mueller night just be that he knows that the GOP got bodied last night despite his claims to the contrary.

Z. Autobahn
Jul 20, 2004

colonel tigh more like colonel high
Rural voters really like Democratic economic policies and really dislike Democratic social policies. Pushing hard on the former is definitely a winner, but I think how you handle the latter is a lot trickier, in no small part because rural voters will consistently prioritize social issues as the most important in determining their voting habits.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I'm coming up blank on a person, but essentially someone with rural roots, and strong progressive bonafides, and maybe some government experience?

See this is all well and good but it doesn't do anything for the state level.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

KickerOfMice posted:

I don't understand, what was the point of that?

It's entirely possible that it was pure incompetence. But the knock-on effect is dissuading people from voting absentee (because who wants to get doxxed). See, also, the White House doxxing people who commented on election security after the 2016 election.

Sovereign immunity is a sick loving joke, and there needs to be personal criminal liability for this sort of poo poo.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

She breathed a sigh of relief when she saw Donnelly go down, and is now prepared to get a lot more bipartisan.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Aurubin posted:

Start a string of direct air capture factories making carbon fiber, plastics, chemical feedstocks, etc. You bring manufacturing jobs back to disenfranchised areas because they can be built anywhere, you need drivers to move the finished projects, and solve climate change all at once. Bing bong so simple.

Facetious over-exaggeration aside, I DO actually think this is a good idea as DAC costs go down and we start making poo poo directly from atmospheric carbon. Also not dying from climate change, but for some reason that ranks low on people's list of priorities.

this is a pretty good idea

plus tying combating climate change with rural jobs makes it harder for the GOP to slash said measures

canepazzo
May 29, 2006




GreyjoyBastard posted:

good start i guess

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Z. Autobahn posted:

Rural voters really like Democratic economic policies and really dislike Democratic social policies. Pushing hard on the former is definitely a winner, but I think how you handle the latter is a lot trickier, in no small part because rural voters will consistently prioritize social issues as the most important in determining their voting habits.

Gay candy shell with a chocolately jesus center.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Insurrectum posted:

They are really afraid of whatever Mueller is going to drop Now that we are post election

Seems like right now would be a prudent time for the special counsel to wrap up their investigation and release a report!

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

The Glumslinger posted:

I posted a big write up in State and Local thread, I'll cross post it

I don’t think there’s a path to 50 there if we’re stuck at 46. We really want Sienna to pull it out in AZ and get us to 47. And Ughh Nelson losing by just 30,000 votes is maddening. If we had 48 right now we’d be in a great position to take control of everything in 2020.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Is reconstruction 2.0 with some new deal salted into it the path to rural voter victory?

I am hesitant to believe in this simply because more than half of rural voters will flat out reject anything put forth by someone with a D next to their name. I am not sure how you get around that issue.

Probably a lot of it is going to involve building cred in local government first, rather than parachuting in ex-CEOs from halfway across the country to run on abolishing income taxes and slashing state services while liberalizing trade. The problem is a lack of trust, and to some extent, the Dems have earned that in rural areas. But building trust takes time and effort, and there's rarely a shortcut for it.

All politics is long-term, and Dems are paying the price now for 25 years of neglecting that.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Z. Autobahn posted:

Rural voters really like Democratic economic policies and really dislike Democratic social policies. Pushing hard on the former is definitely a winner, but I think how you handle the latter is a lot trickier, in no small part because rural voters will consistently prioritize social issues as the most important in determining their voting habits.

I dunno, those rural districts in MN turned out for Klobuchar...I think the bigger issue is that too few Red State Dem candidates actually try this strategy. They instead tend to do what Donnelly did, ie: try to be Republican-lite on both fronts.

Arturo Ui
Apr 14, 2005

Forums Bosch Expert

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How many Republican Senators in blue states are up for election in 2020?

Gardner (CO), Collins (ME) are the only ones in true blue states.

Purple states include Ernst (IA), Tillis (NC), Perdue (GA; i'm looking at the Abrams results and that's purple to me); Daines (MT)

Longshots: Sullivan (AK), Roberts (KS), Cornyn (TX).

The good thing about 2020 is Democrats really only have one potential (almost certain) loss - Doug Jones

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How many Republican Senators in blue states are up for election in 2020?



it is better than it looks because for every democrat that stays home or votes third party, two or three suburban republicans are going to vote for the democrats

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

KickerOfMice posted:

I don't understand, what was the point of that?

Well, for one thing, lists of registered voters are valuable

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Lightning Knight posted:

See this is all well and good but it doesn't do anything for the state level.

We need to start a Bernie cloning program ASAP. We could have a fleet of young Bernie's up and running in 20 years if we move quickly.



You're correct though. I don't have any good answers :smith:

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

When do they pick a house majority leader?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/1060294490601058304

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Why the gently caress fire Sessions today? Why not do it six months ago instead of waiting until you've lost the house?

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like?

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Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Arturo Ui posted:

Gardner (CO), Collins (ME) are the only ones in true blue states.

Purple states include Ernst (IA), Tillis (NC), Perdue (GA; i'm looking at the Abrams results and that's purple to me); Daines (MT)

Longshots: Sullivan (AK), Roberts (KS), Cornyn (TX).

The good thing about 2020 is Democrats really only have one potential (almost certain) loss - Doug Jones

Roy Moore gonna run again for maximum hilarity.

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