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Aurubin posted:Start a string of direct air capture factories making carbon fiber, plastics, chemical feedstocks, etc. You bring manufacturing jobs back to disenfranchised areas because they can be built anywhere, you need drivers to move the finished projects, and solve climate change all at once. Bing bong so simple. It's pretty easy to make trees and plants from atmospheric carbon, so long as it's in the lower atmosphere! 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, for one thing, lists of registered voters are valuable Isn't that public information anyway? Including whether or not they voted? If there's value it's in the non-public information, like whether they're disabled.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don’t think there’s a path to 50 there if we’re stuck at 46. We really want Sienna to pull it out in AZ and get us to 47. And Ughh Nelson losing by just 30,000 votes is maddening. If we had 48 right now we’d be in a great position to take control of everything in 2020. It really sucks how badly we blew everything in 2016 because that should be our friendliest map
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Why would you try to make me puke all over my keyboard? That's not nice.
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I mean, they had to make sure it all happened during infrastructure week, right?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, for one thing, lists of registered voters are valuable Georgia sells their list for $250, so not that valuable.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, for one thing, lists of registered voters are valuable why wasn't this the first thing to cross my mind pseudorandom name posted:Georgia sells their list for $250, so not that valuable. oh. does it include addresses? and elderlyness? edit forgot to add quote
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gently caress you you loving squish. You burned every bridge to your "moderate" cred when you cast that vote for Kavanaugh. We're coming for your job next.
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Lol https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1060296443611598848 Not wasting any time in becoming the new Jeff Flake.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:gently caress you you loving squish. You burned every bridge to your "moderate" cred when you cast that vote for Kavanaugh. We're coming for your job next. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:We need to start a Bernie cloning program ASAP. We could have a fleet of young Bernie's up and running in 20 years if we move quickly. Well this is the one thing that Beto deserves unequivocal praise on, he successfully reinvigorated local political activism in Texas and energized people there. They need to keep that momentum moving forward.
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Nov 7, 2018 23:31
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? Being nice to gays and coloreds.
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Lightning Knight posted:This is actually a big fuckin' deal and hasn't been highlighted because everyone is too busy I know how it was the highest profile race of the midterms but I honestly cant believe how hung up people are on this one. If anything I thought it would be gillum or AOC for obvious reasons. I guess its the hot button topic on twitter and so it shall he here as well. Youd think the guy actually won the race the way he trended 3 to 1 on twitter versus Cruz last night though
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Majorian posted:Why would you try to make me puke all over my keyboard? That's not nice. it's politics baby, nothing nice about it see 
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? Obviously 'rural voters' aren't a universal monolith and you can find pockets that are exceptions, but if we're generalizing across the nation: Anything involving gun control Pro-choice policies A non-hard-line approach to immigration LGBTQ rights
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The Glumslinger posted:It really sucks how badly we blew everything in 2016 because that should be our friendliest map That means we can take the Senate by a good margin in 2022 if we can keep momentum up after winning in 2020. I don’t know if that’s possible though. We NEED Boomers to start dropping like flies between now and then. At least the 18-29 demo is getting significantly more active.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? cuddling up to big banks isn't helping them forcing them to have expensive, unusable health insurance while all of the nearby clinics are shutting down is another telling them jobs are just gone and they aren't coming back is another but i would say one of the biggest problems is that dems really don't try and haven't tried to reach rural voters for a good while now. the dem party in my state is a skeletal husk with no resources and is ignored by the national dems. if you're not trying to reach people, you're not going to reach them, and the dems haven't been trying for these areas
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KickerOfMice posted:I often roll my eyes at succdems chat, but yeah, Collins is an absolute boner. ... Collins isn't a succdem, she's a Republican.
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Why the rush? Does Donny think the new house members are showing up tomorrow? Also remember that "The Mueller Investigation" is now split among a bunch of different investigative bodies, both state and federal. Just firing Mueller will not end these investigations, but yeah it will be a major block with the FBI's powers removed from the playbook.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? Mostly the social ones. Anything to do with trans rights, that benefits minorities. There's also a lot of regulation hate. Country folk do not like being told that they can't do something. The gun issue is also part of it. I really strongly feel like the gun issue is lost and the democrats need to drop it for 10-20 years. Let that be worked out at the local and state levels. National dems should not touch it.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level.
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Main Paineframe posted:Just look at how big minimum wage increases just passed in a bunch of rural deep red states. People want stuff that meaningfully improves their lives. That means good jobs, good wages, good affrodable healthcare, strong unions, and generally pretending that rural voters have any value outside of their potential as an input for industry. Yes, that might be difficult because of rural distrust toward Democrats, but that's all the more reason to take it in a progressive populist direction rather than the pro-corporate angle too many centrist Dems like to follow. corn in the bible posted:meanwhile here in texas the dsa is winning local primaries and elections lol Derrick Crowe — CD 21 — Primary Loss Brent Beal — CD 1 — Primary Loss Ali Khorasani — CD 2 — Primary Loss Dale Mantey — CD 17 — Primary Loss Steve Brown — CD 22 — Primary Loss Hector Morales — CD 29 —Primary Loss Candace Aylor — HD 47 — Primary Loss Dylan Forbis — HD 29 — Primary Loss Rick Trevino — CD 23 — Runoff Loss Mary Street Wilson — CD 21 —Runoff Loss Chris Perri — CD 25 — Runoff Loss Christine Mann — CD 31 — Runoff Loss Laura Moser — CD 7 — Runoff Loss José “Chito” Vela — HD 46 — Runoff Loss Beto O’Rourke — U.S. Senate — Loss Linsey Fagan — CD 26 — Loss Eric Holguin — CD 27 — Loss Adrienne Bell — CD 14 — Loss Mike Siegel — CD 10 — Loss Veronica Escobar — CD 16 — Won Kim Olson — Agricultural Commissioner — Loss Mike Collier — Lieutenant Governor — Loss Justin Nelson — Attorney General — Loss Kevin Lopez — SD 30 — Loss Steven Kling — SD 25 — Loss Alec Johnson — HD 11 — Loss Erin Zwiener — HD 45 — Won Andrew Morris — HD 64 — Loss Samantha Carrillo — HD 84 — Loss Lightning Knight posted:He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. Somebody with the platform of AOC but the demeanor of Ojeda would sweep WV. OurRev endorsed in MO-7 and in IN-9 too, both rural districts. In MO, McCaskill outran by 1.6%, whereas Donnelly was 1.2% behind. Just some light trivia, since support, strategy, and the races themselves are obviously different. Directional but not conclusive!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hahah, it's almost as if he were trying to communicate this information to third parties in a plausibly deniable way surely not there's a non zero amount of white people in there.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:OK yeah then folks need to stop talking about her as if she's good because she's not Duckworth is also succy on military adventurism, got an 85 percent favorable rating from the National Association of Police Organizations, is "concerned" about the ACA's effects on small businesses, and thinks a $10.10/hour minimum wage would be just fine and dandy. Dems would be idiots to think that her double-amputeeness and troopness would be sufficient to have her beat Trump. Therefore, there's a fairly good chance they'll line up to support her if she decides to run.
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GyroNinja posted:... Collins isn't a succdem, she's a Republican. ! Well, color me stupid, I always thought she was one of the middle-of-the-road blue dogs. 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol Oh god we have a minimum of six years of Romney hot takes ahead of us. 
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Z. Autobahn posted:Obviously 'rural voters' aren't a universal monolith and you can find pockets that are exceptions, but if we're generalizing across the nation: that's the party line Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level. that's warmer but Gillum and Beto could have been better for sure Condiv posted:cuddling up to big banks isn't helping them DING DING DING
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Sydin posted:Oh god we have a minimum of six years of Romney hot takes ahead of us. Better him than Hatch.
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Paracaidas posted:On the other hand, he trailed Manchin in his district by about 14 pts. Ok maybe WV is actually just bad.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level. Go to a bar in a rural town in Indiana and start talking up your love of trans people, Mexican immigrants, and abortions, and you'll pretty quickly find out how they feel about the policies. I know we really want to blame the Dems, and the Dems are often bad, but also very often the voters are also very very bad.
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Condiv posted:cuddling up to big banks isn't helping them It's absolutely legit to bash the Democrats for blowing their economic credibility with people with triangulating third way bullshit, but if you think say rural Tennessee would break blue if only Democrats would push harder for the little guy then just LOL. Socialism only sells in a lot of these places when it's Whites Only. As much as the Democratic record on civil rights is inadequate, a lot of these rural voters want to roll back to Jim Crow tier "keep them in their place" poo poo. There are exceptions that the Democrats should totally target to win over with Actual Good Policies, and in some cases they did it in this very election! But trying to win over some of these places with more Klan chapters than science teachers is probably uh not feasible (or moral.) Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? Civil rights for anyone but straight white people who love Jeezus, if we're honest.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level. It's both, and sometimes neither. Manchin is not a good example of your point considering his victory and share of the rural vote. The largest issue is that rural voters vary significantly from state to state. Machine appeals to WV voters, but likely would completely turn off rural voters in western states.
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The Glumslinger posted:It really sucks how badly we blew everything in 2016 because that should be our friendliest map Yeah, that was supposed to be a good year. And if things go well in 2020, that class will be up again under a Democratic president, unfortunately.
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Sorry, was doing boring Army stuff and couldn't have my phone. What did I miss? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level. Manchin is a weird example to pick in the discussion of why rurals don't like Dems.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? Say immigrants are a burden on country Left: Urban-- 61%, Suburban--31%, Rural--42%  Proportion who Say whites losing out due to preferences for blacks and Hispanics is a bigger problem than the reverse From left: Urban--23%, Suburban-27%, Rural--34%  Rural voters also hate abortion, but their feelings on that issue reflect the general partisan split across the country, with urban republicans and rural democrats having similar views on the subject as the rest of their party. Squalid fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level. Yes, pick one of the most beloved senators in West Virginias history as the kind of person that West Virginia hates and refuses to vote for, and pick two people who lost as the kind who they will support.
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J.A.B.C. posted:Sorry, was doing boring Army stuff and couldn't have my phone. What did I miss? Sessions resigned/was fired, the new acting AG is a total chud, there are questions over how much authority he has over Mueller
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GreyjoyBastard posted:why wasn't this the first thing to cross my mind It includes house address and mailing address, but not elderlyness. But that's trivial to get from other sources once you have the name and address.
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sean10mm posted:It's absolutely legit to bash the Democrats for blowing their economic credibility with people with triangulating third way bullshit, but if you think say rural Tennessee would break blue if only Democrats would push harder for the little guy then just LOL. Socialism only sells in a lot of these places when it's Whites Only. As much as the Democratic record on civil rights is inadequate, a lot of these rural voters want to roll back to Jim Crow tier "keep them in their place" poo poo. It's absolutely this. The "economic anxiety" fuckshit isn't nearly as important to these POS's as their social position as the white master race. I see white men melting down on FB about "being blamed for all the ills of the world and that's so unfair  " all the drat time.
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